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The worst about him he complains that a state of the art category one academy is not good enough for his ideas. ( the guy who couldn’t convince the owners of chesterfield to employ him). He then wants to play a-possession game but to prove his point re the training facilities fucks the ewood pitch up by training on that. 

I cant wait to see the next job he gets because he as moaned about cat 1 facilities let’s see how he does at port vale or Northampton because if he’s lucky that’s where he’s heading.

Hes is not an unpleasant fella great for a pint on a Friday for s chat football but a bag of shite manager. Four years and can’t find a best 11. Even with great facilities,money and a youth academy complains about luck.

In the old adage a bad workman always blames his tools.

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A late equaliser is always nice but i won’t be celebrating a point at 8th place Cardiff after 1 win in 15 in a season where the target was promotion  Dumbing down to say otherwise 

It's not Mogadon we want, it's Mogagon. 😁😁😁😁

Today’s result guarantees we finish on less points than last season The season is a failure by any metric 

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Under normal circumstances a point away to Cardiff is a good result. However 8 points from the last 40 odd available is just not acceptable. I've argued with most of you on this site re my stance on TM. He came in, stabilised the club, almost avoided relegation against all odds. Promotion at the first attempt and prior to this season improved us each year. 

However even I can see that he's taken us as far as he is capable of doing. That squad should be top 6 no excuses. 

Hopefully he goes in the summer with his dignity in tact. 

What next from the Vs? That's anyone's guess. At least we good some good news this week re the STC. 

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3 hours ago, Stuart said:

Don’t you think it’s possible that this is self-fulfilling?

Even when there are players in a better position than him he will shoot rather than pass. This isn’t me being churlish, it’s something I’ve watched.

Our one win in the last 15 games... Armstrong wasn’t in the squad.

Our next two games were a draw against Swansea and a narrow loss to Brentford (an Ivan Toney penalty). We also drew with Norwich without him. (Three of the current top 4).

We look more like a team when he is not playing. It’s not the first time I’ve said this.

I don’t even necessarily blame Armstrong. Goalscorers are naturally greedy but this guy appears to have a remit to ‘shoot first think later’.

Don’t just take my word for it. Before today’s game:

- Armstrong has registered 156 shots in 34 games, translating to 4.78 shots per 90 minutes, most by any Championship player.

- 65 shots have been on target and he leads the table for most shots on target per 90 minutes with 1.99 shots on target

https://princerupertstower.com/2021/04/07/everton-scout-blackburn-adam-armstrong/

Yes, he had got 19 goals (21 after today) but that’s (now) out of over 160 shots so about 8 shots for every goal. Less than half of his shots are even on target. He also has 4 penalty goals in that (and 3 misses!). Which actually makes his goal stats slightly worse.

He is hugely overrated. I just hope we can get a £20m+ fee because of how much Mowbray has invested in him (to the exclusion of everyone and everything else). However, it wouldn’t surprise me in the least to hear him get sold for an undisclosed fee. Who knows, maybe even a bonus for certain senior club staff?

Everton scout actually said:

''In fact, it is not about launching shots and making unnecessary attempts at goal, 65 shots have been on target and he leads the table for most shots on target per 90 minutes with 1.99 shots on target''

He's a head down player, doesn't really always see what others are doing, gets a glimpse of the target and shoots.

He's not told to do that, it's the way he is and always has been in his career.

For what its worth he is 3rd on the Rovers 'Assist' list, way behind Harvey E. and just behind Ryan N.

I do think he's a greedy bugger. Thank God.

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Back to the game. Something struck me at full-time today. We will definitely loose arma in the summer. Fee probably 15 - 20 million. How the hell do we replace his goals. Gally up top at long last maybe? Or big Ben to finally show his worth 

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Just now, Roverinbelfast said:

Back to the game. Something struck me at full-time today. We will definitely loose arma in the summer. Fee probably 15 - 20 million. How the hell do we replace his goals. Gally up top at long last maybe? Or big Ben to finally show his worth 

Depends who the manager is i suppose.  My worry is how many subs we make each game....like, he virtually changes the front 4 and the right back every game.....I checked, other teams we have played recently haven't made as many as us.  

Its completely the wrong way to manage 

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1 minute ago, AllRoverAsia said:

I'm here because it's 8.10 am and I slept through the match.

Question: is it worth watching in full or just extended highlights.

It depends on if you are obtuse or not..... Feck me it seems the in phrase tonight. 

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9 minutes ago, Sparks Rover said:

Depends who the manager is i suppose.  My worry is how many subs we make each game....like, he virtually changes the front 4 and the right back every game.....I checked, other teams we have played recently haven't made as many as us.  

Its completely the wrong way to manage 

So true. Change the full attacking midfield and the RB every single game. 

The manager issue is the million dollar question. If TM goes who do we replace him with. My heart says Hughes my brain says another Coyle cheap option 

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8 hours ago, BlackburnEnd75 said:

Rhodes was certainly not hated. Not rated by some but never hated.

He was a very limited player, just so happened that the thing he was limited to was the thing that wins you games.

I agree, Rhodes will always hold a place in Rovers fans hearts for the sheer amount of goals he scored here. A top professional and a top man. 

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7 hours ago, Roverinbelfast said:

The manager issue is the million dollar question. If TM goes who do we replace him with. My heart says Hughes my brain says another Coyle cheap option 

Well that's exactly what we have now. In fact he's far worse than Coyle. 8 points vs 16 points worse.

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13 hours ago, Exiled_Rover said:

I wish our other strikers were allowed to play centrally.

He's ruined Brereton an Gallagher by shoving them out wide. 

The fact he'd rather play Dolan / Buckley / Elliot as a false 9 then either of our 6'+ strikers says it all about Mowbray.

I think it says more about the goal scoring abilities of Brererton and Gallagher.

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3 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I think it says more about the goal scoring abilities of Brererton and Gallagher.

In fairness Tyrone Gally got 17 goals for us playing up top in a shite Coyle squad. He hasn’t had a decent spell up top with traditional wingers under Mowbray. 
 

As for Brereton well I don’t think he’s a striker but he’s not a winger either is he. Unsure what he’s bringing at the moment but he’s shown glimpses of a player earlier in the season. A better manager might get a tune out of him. 

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That was a while back, Gally’s not done much since wherever he’s been. If you had a time machine would you still go back and sign him ? I agree if you are going to play him it’s right up front or nothing, asking him to play out wide is crazy, he hasn’t got the tools. I’d like to see him and Armstrong together up front just once with somebody out wide who can put a ball in and a midfield player who can pick an incisive pass now and again.

I don’t hold out any hope for Big Ben.

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9 hours ago, Roverinbelfast said:

So true. Change the full attacking midfield and the RB every single game. 

The manager issue is the million dollar question. If TM goes who do we replace him with. My heart says Hughes my brain says another Coyle cheap option 

Remember, it's When Mowbray goes ...

If results don't go our way, next Sunday at 5pm, we could find ourselves involved in the scrap for the final relegation spot and Mowbray's already failed to do that once, so you'd think he'd have to go and Venkys bring forward their review. That assumes they don't want us in League 1, of course.

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1 hour ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

That was a while back, Gally’s not done much since wherever he’s been. If you had a time machine would you still go back and sign him ? I agree if you are going to play him it’s right up front or nothing, asking him to play out wide is crazy, he hasn’t got the tools. I’d like to see him and Armstrong together up front just once with somebody out wide who can put a ball in and a midfield player who can pick an incisive pass now and again.

I don’t hold out any hope for Big Ben.

No you wouldn't espicsally that Mowbray would play him out wide most of the time. Why not sign a wide player instead? 

But Mowbray messed up massively on his 2 biggest signings. He wanted Gallagher in our 1st season back at this level but he couldn;t agree terms so he looked at other options like Brereton. He should have bought a quality centre back, left side midfielder and back up striker. Mention 3 players we could have got for the same money as we paid for Brereton. 

I would like to see Gallagher and Armstrong up front together but Mowbray will never do it as its against his preferred way of playing.

 

15 hours ago, Exiled_Rover said:

I wish our other strikers were allowed to play centrally.

He's ruined Brereton an Gallagher by shoving them out wide. 

 

He isn't ruined Brereton by playing him wide as I think hes played a wide role in a front 3. 

But Gallagher he has deffo ruined him completely by playing him wide

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37 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

 

But Gallagher he has deffo ruined him completely by playing him wide

Not really, the lad has a very poor first touch, no technical ability from what i see and for someone his size doesn't win many headers.  His decision making is very poor.

Mowbray should take the flak for signing him, but he was already shit.

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A good point, is it enough?  Not yet.  But getting closer.  Just want our status secure.  Happy to see Arma score some goals as they equal $$$$$ right now!  The more goals the more moola!

 

 

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14 hours ago, AllRoverAsia said:

I'm here because it's 8.10 am and I slept through the match.

Question: is it worth watching in full or just extended highlights.

I just watched back the full 90.

Definitely out best performance in a while. Hit the woodwork 3 times, dominated the ball. It's ridiculous we didn't win based on the chances we created.

But then again we gave away the second goal for nothing and looked brittle on the rare occasions Cardiff did come forward. We could easily have lost.

So I guess watch the full 90 as it's good to see us actually play some decent football. But also you won't learn anything new as it's basically the same approach.

 

 

 

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22 hours ago, Stuart said:

It’s not hate, it’s his strike rate combined with our awful form and league position.

He plays for himself. If you can’t see that you must not be watching.

If we are to progress we need Mowbray gone and a different remit to, or sale of, Armstrong.

Ideally we will get a large fee before he ends up injured or able to run his contract down. Not sure Mowbray has made a fee on a single player though? Was the Raya fee ever published?

Thankfully, him playing for himself has consistently benefitted us throughout the season with goals that wouldnt have been scored otherwise by the sorry supporting cast. 

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17 hours ago, Boroblue said:

The worst about him he complains that a state of the art category one academy is not good enough for his ideas. ( the guy who couldn’t convince the owners of chesterfield to employ him). He then wants to play a-possession game but to prove his point re the training facilities fucks the ewood pitch up by training on that. 

I cant wait to see the next job he gets because he as moaned about cat 1 facilities let’s see how he does at port vale or Northampton because if he’s lucky that’s where he’s heading.

Hes is not an unpleasant fella great for a pint on a Friday for s chat football but a bag of shite manager. Four years and can’t find a best 11. Even with great facilities,money and a youth academy complains about luck.

In the old adage a bad workman always blames his tools.

Best description yet, the man would blame the air quality if he could get away with it. He's moaned about just about every facet of the club as a reason for never pushing the team on.

God knows how he coped at Coventry with naff all.  Even his beloved Boro where he's well thought of saw through him after a few years.

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1 hour ago, joey_big_nose said:

I just watched back the full 90.

Definitely out best performance in a while. Hit the woodwork 3 times, dominated the ball. It's ridiculous we didn't win based on the chances we created.

But then again we gave away the second goal for nothing and looked brittle on the rare occasions Cardiff did come forward. We could easily have lost.

So I guess watch the full 90 as it's good to see us actually play some decent football. But also you won't learn anything new as it's basically the same approach.

Thanks for the guidance.

I didn't have time today but we have Songkran coming here so will then instead of getting wet.

I did watch the short highlights to see the goals.

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16 hours ago, Aqualung said:

It depends on if you are obtuse or not..... Feck me it seems the in phrase tonight. 

The word "obtuse" always reminds me of "The Shawshank Redemption"; an important moment in the film.

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