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180 members have voted

  1. 1. Will you buy a season ticket for 2021/22?

    • Yes - no matter what
      51
    • Yes - depending on personal circumstances
      7
    • No - but I would if Mowbray left
      65
    • No - but for other reasons
      57


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On 25/07/2021 at 18:09, RevidgeBlue said:

Would be nice if the owners were turning the screws on Waggott and Mowbray to try and get them out without paying any compensation but the appointment of Mowbray's mate Park appears to run contrary to that.

The name of the new head of recruitment seems pretty appropriate. Park everything we aren’t selling or buying anyone.

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On 25/07/2021 at 16:35, Stuart said:

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

I agree, lots of good and some valid points. I'm speaking as a virologist living in Germany where these passports have already been introduced. Its part of the app that you show/get scanned to gain entry. 

Going to a football match should not require anybody to share their medical history. The more we consent the more they will take. What next, HIV status added to your ‘passport’? Mandatory flu vaccines and your status updated? Your ability to take part in society dependent on vaccination waiting lists?

you are 100% correct, it shouldn't, but in an ongoing pandemic it's probably the best way to have maximum attendances. Ability to take part is dependent on being either not infected or vaccinated. I agree with the slippery slope and in theory a flu pandemic (last one was 1918) could Iin theory lead to similar actions- although hopefully not!

On 25/07/2021 at 16:35, Stuart said:

Too many people have been given paid holidays through the furlough scheme, with test kits and vaccines thrown at everyone for free. What if they eventually start charging for vaccine boosters? Still ok, still moral acceptable?

I doubt this would apply in the UK with the NHS.

Anyone who doesn’t feel safe going out in public with other human beings has the choice to stay at home. The rest of us need to get on living.

And what if someone rocks up at the football after having a positive test? Sent away? Prosecuted for biological warfare? For what, to avoid someone who has been vaccinated from having a headache?

I would hope after what we have learnt as a society that these questions won't even be asked. If I'm sick I don't mix with other people....

I assume you mean headache as in hassle of missing the game and going into quarantine!

 

The vaccine either works and prevents death or it doesn’t. If it doesn’t then how is it that deaths are a fraction of previous, despite the continued correlation-based 28 day rule?

The current vaccines are working brilliantly against the current variants. I think you are 66% less likely to become infected and roughly the same in infecting someone else. 

On 25/07/2021 at 16:35, Stuart said:

Meanwhile, being vaccinated also doesn’t stop you carrying and spreading the virus so what is the point of a passport? On the basis that the only person it protects is yourself, getting one should be a matter of personal choice.

Minor inconvenience indeed.

True, however if everyone is vaccinated (or approx 90% of society with SARS-CoV-2) then the chain will be broken. I agree vaccination should be a personal choice.

 

Scientifically it makes sense, it's just what each society and country wants to do.

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On 25/07/2021 at 17:31, Hannoverover said:

you are 100% correct, it shouldn't, but in an ongoing pandemic it's probably the best way to have maximum attendances. Ability to take part is dependent on being either not infected or vaccinated. I agree with the slippery slope and in theory a flu pandemic (last one was 1918) could Iin theory lead to similar actions- although hopefully not!

The current vaccines are working brilliantly against the current variants. I think you are 66% less likely to become infected and roughly the same in infecting someone else. 

True, however if everyone is vaccinated (or approx 90% of society with SARS-CoV-2) then the chain will be broken. I agree vaccination should be a personal choice.

 

Scientifically it makes sense, it's just what each society and country wants to do.

Scientifically vaccine passports make sense?

It’s not science, it’s 100% political.

As for breaking the chain, you would need the entire world vaccinated. It’s not going to happen. So you just hand over your freedom instead? How long for? Forever?

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On 25/07/2021 at 19:35, Stuart said:

Scientifically vaccine passports make sense?

It’s not science, it’s 100% political.

As for breaking the chain, you would need the entire world vaccinated. It’s not going to happen. So you just hand over your freedom instead? How long for? Forever?

Yes they do. If a group of people are vaccinated, the virus can't continue to circulate within the population. It's a political decision supported by science.

The UK or any segregated population of people will be fine when a certain % of people are vaccinated. Just like with polio and measles. There will be community immunity soon, followed by herd immunity when the whole UK has reached this level. The whole World is a different issue. Time scale: more like years than months, but depends on how the virus and vaccines evolve.

 

Giving over freedom is surely too far, it's only flashing a QR code whilst entering the turnstiles!? Unless by freedom you mean you are barred from going into crowded areas because a) you don't want to be vaccinated and b) you don't want to be tested. I suspect these measures won't be need when an area has fewer than a certain number of cases per 100 000 people. Germany uses 10 at the moment.

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Health and freedom debate aside, I was assuming that more fans would be willing to attend with the passports than would be lost due to them?  I'm assuming a certain % of the population will still want to join in but be cautious too.

It would be a mess if Ewood had to close again over winter.

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On 25/07/2021 at 19:22, Hannoverover said:

Health and freedom debate aside, I was assuming that more fans would be willing to attend with the passports than would be lost due to them?  I'm assuming a certain % of the population will still want to join in but be cautious too.

It would be a mess if Ewood had to close again over winter.

That’s a real strawman. (Also, I can’t believe your previous post - it’s “only” a QR code - you really need to read up on your history).

Don’t introduce passports at all. Which fans are going to refuse to attend if they aren’t? You are advocating relegating unvaccinated people to second class citizens and you seem to just see them as an expendable minority.

Children won’t have them. Why does an 18yo need a jab (and evidence of such) and their 17yo mate doesn’t? Is the latter less of a risk?

Your arguments are built on sand considering even with a jab and a passport you can still carry and pass on the virus.

If I don’t have a vaccine it doesn’t make any difference to you - as long as you’ve had yours.

I really worry about the direction of the world under Gen Z.

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On 25/07/2021 at 19:34, Stuart said:

That’s a real strawman. (Also, I can’t believe your previous post - it’s “only” a QR code - you really need to read up on your history).

Don’t introduce passports at all. Which fans are going to refuse to attend if they aren’t? You are advocating relegating unvaccinated people to second class citizens and you seem to just see them as an expendable minority.

Children won’t have them. Why does an 18yo need a jab (and evidence of such) and their 17yo mate doesn’t? Is the latter less of a risk?

Your arguments are built on sand considering even with a jab and a passport you can still carry and pass on the virus.

If I don’t have a vaccine it doesn’t make any difference to you - as long as you’ve had yours.

I really worry about the direction of the world under Gen Z.

Couldn’t the vaccinated person still be a carrier and pass it on to the unvaccinated person, though? Therefore potentially causing the associated problems?

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On 25/07/2021 at 19:37, K-Hod said:

Couldn’t the vaccinated person still be a carrier and pass it on to the unvaccinated person, though? Therefore potentially causing the associated problems?

That’s precisely my point. Vaccinated or not it makes no difference. Hence passports are pointless from a health perspective.

At this point everyone likely to become ill (barring vulnerable outliers) has been offered at least one vaccine. If they have chosen not to have one then it is their right and their choice.

As you point out, if a vaccinated person can carry and pass on the virus, why should they be allowed to go to a football match or to a night club or to a cinema, and an unvaccinated person (through choice) not be allowed to. Effectively becoming an outcast.

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On 25/07/2021 at 19:48, Stuart said:

That’s precisely my point. Vaccinated or not it makes no difference. Hence passports are pointless from a health perspective.

At this point everyone likely to become ill (barring vulnerable outliers) has been offered at least one vaccine. If they have chosen not to have one then it is their right and their choice.

As you point out, if a vaccinated person can carry and pass on the virus, why should they be allowed to go to a football match or to a night club or to a cinema, and an unvaccinated person (through choice) not be allowed to. Effectively becoming an outcast.

Apologies if I wasn’t clear enough, but I’m sure anyone that has been vaccinated would rather catch Covid, than someone that hasn’t. I imagine their experience wouldn’t be as bad, owing to the protection the vaccine would provide.

That’s what I was driving at.

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On 25/07/2021 at 20:34, Stuart said:

That’s a real strawman. (Also, I can’t believe your previous post - it’s “only” a QR code - you really need to read up on your history).

Don’t introduce passports at all. Which fans are going to refuse to attend if they aren’t? You are advocating relegating unvaccinated people to second class citizens and you seem to just see them as an expendable minority.

Children won’t have them. Why does an 18yo need a jab (and evidence of such) and their 17yo mate doesn’t? Is the latter less of a risk?

Your arguments are built on sand considering even with a jab and a passport you can still carry and pass on the virus.

If I don’t have a vaccine it doesn’t make any difference to you - as long as you’ve had yours.

I really worry about the direction of the world under Gen Z.

I'm English (not that it makes a difference), but yes like with all technology it needs carefully regulating by an independent body.

The idea is that by grouping vaccinated people together, if/when one is infected, this person has has a lower chance of passing it on to their neighbour and their neighbour has a lower chance of becoming infected and subsequently passing it on through their community.

 

I've just read that the plan is to only allow vaccinated people into stadiums. I disagree with this and I would also allow recently tested people in too. This would allow people who don't want to be vaccinated for whatever reason the chance to attend.

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On 25/07/2021 at 17:31, Hannoverover said:

you are 100% correct, it shouldn't, but in an ongoing pandemic it's probably the best way to have maximum attendances. Ability to take part is dependent on being either not infected or vaccinated. I agree with the slippery slope and in theory a flu pandemic (last one was 1918) could Iin theory lead to similar actions- although hopefully not!

The current vaccines are working brilliantly against the current variants. I think you are 66% less likely to become infected and roughly the same in infecting someone else. 

True, however if everyone is vaccinated (or approx 90% of society with SARS-CoV-2) then the chain will be broken. I agree vaccination should be a personal choice.

 

Scientifically it makes sense, it's just what each society and country wants to do.

Why doesn't everyone take some personal responsability. Get the vaccine, get a passport, go to whatever events you want.

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On 25/07/2021 at 19:50, K-Hod said:

Apologies if I wasn’t clear enough, but I’m sure anyone that has been vaccinated would rather catch Covid, than someone that hasn’t. I imagine their experience wouldn’t be as bad, owing to the protection the vaccine would provide.

That’s what I was driving at.

So they have a choice to have the vaccine or stay away from venues. If they choose not to have one or to go out unvaccinated then that’s up to them. However they should NOT be excluded from society - which is what vaccine passports will do.

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On 25/07/2021 at 20:12, Stuart said:

So they have a choice to have the vaccine or stay away from venues. If they choose not to have one or to go out unvaccinated then that’s up to them. However they should NOT be excluded from society - which is what vaccine passports will do.

That theory should apply to people who want to drink and drive.

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On 25/07/2021 at 20:11, rigger said:

Why doesn't everyone take some personal responsability. Get the vaccine, get a passport, go to whatever events you want.

That isn’t “personal responsibility”.

That’s “just fucking do are you’re told”.

Personal responsibility is accepting that “if you get ill because you’ve not been vaccinated, don’t expect any sympathy”. That’s an entirely reasonable response.

Now that the unvaccinated are in the minority the NHS won’t be overwhelmed so let’s just all crack on.

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On 25/07/2021 at 20:16, rigger said:

That theory should apply to people who want to drink and drive.

Stupid example.

The equivalent response to that would be stop anyone who drinks alcohol from owning a car and having daily breathalysers before anyone gets behind the wheel.

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On 25/07/2021 at 20:17, Stuart said:

That isn’t “personal responsibility”.

That’s “just fucking do are you’re told”.

Personal responsibility is accepting that “if you get ill because you’ve not been vaccinated, don’t expect any sympathy”. That’s an entirely reasonable response.

Now that the unvaccinated are in the minority the NHS won’t be overwhelmed so let’s just all crack on.

Or being part of a society

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On 25/07/2021 at 20:19, Stuart said:

Stupid example.

The equivalent response to that would be stop anyone who drinks alcohol from owning a car and having daily breathalysers before anyone gets behind the wheel.

If that stopped deaths would that be a bad thing

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On 25/07/2021 at 20:19, Stuart said:

Stupid example.

The equivalent response to that would be stop anyone who drinks alcohol from owning a car and having daily breathalysers before anyone gets behind the wheel.

 

On 25/07/2021 at 20:17, Stuart said:

That isn’t “personal responsibility”.

That’s “just fucking do are you’re told”.

Personal responsibility is accepting that “if you get ill because you’ve not been vaccinated, don’t expect any sympathy”. That’s an entirely reasonable response.

Now that the unvaccinated are in the minority the NHS won’t be overwhelmed so let’s just all crack on.

The NHS wont be overwhelmed you say,tell that to people who are having cancer treatments and operations delayed because the NHS has to deal with covid patients.

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On 25/07/2021 at 20:20, rigger said:

If that stopped deaths would that be a bad thing

So you don’t believe in personal responsibility after all?

The idea that we should prevent anyone who ever drinks alcohol from owning a car is absurd.

But in any case, your whole emotive analogy is off - maybe deliberately so.

Read back through my posts and you’ll see why.

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Getting the vaccine not only reduces the chances of you getting infected, it also reduces the likelihood of you infecting someone else.

I call that personal responsibility.

These liberal 'I'll do what I want types' can go ahead and do what they want, we live in a democratic society after all. But don't come anywhere near me or my at-risk family, thanks all the same.

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On 25/07/2021 at 20:51, Stuart said:

So you don’t believe in personal responsibility after all?

The idea that we should prevent anyone who ever drinks alcohol from owning a car is absurd.

But in any case, your whole emotive analogy is off - maybe deliberately so.

Read back through my posts and you’ll see why.

I can't be arsed

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Unsurprisingly i was one of the ones who would say similar to above. Get vaccinated and stop moaning or take your chances but don't expect special treatment and spoil things for everyone else.

My other half didn't want it so she got my response and similar from others. That was 9 weeks ago and she hasn't worked since and spent 10 days in hospital on a drip and having anti blood clotting injections etc.

So there is good reason to consider if you want it or not. Forcing the issue isn't the way forwards just let people decide for themselves and don't punish, exclude or penalize anybody.

 

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On 25/07/2021 at 21:37, tomphil said:

Unsurprisingly i was one of the ones who would say similar to above. Get vaccinated and stop moaning or take your chances but don't expect special treatment and spoil things for everyone else.

My other half didn't want it so she got my response and similar from others. That was 9 weeks ago and she hasn't worked since and spent 10 days in hospital on a drip and having anti blood clotting injections etc.

So there is good reason to consider if you want it or not. Forcing the issue isn't the way forwards just let people decide for themselves and don't punish, exclude or penalize anybody.

 

Shit, man. Hope your missus is ok.

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On 25/07/2021 at 21:53, Stuart said:

Shit, man. Hope your missus is ok.

Cheers, she's better than she was but 50% off being back to normal its been a strange experience. She can't have the second dose as the reaction was so severe so she will have to have some kind of certificate or exemption if these hard line passport plans go through on all sorts.

She doesn't go to football or nightclubbing so that's not a problem. What we don't need though is people falling through the cracks through no fault of their own.

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On 25/07/2021 at 20:11, rigger said:

Why doesn't everyone take some personal responsability. Get the vaccine, get a passport, go to whatever events you want.

If you have the vaccine then you're protected (in theory).

So then why is it any skin off your nose or anyone else who's double jabbed whether or not anyone else has the vaccine or not?

The missus and myself didn't really want the jabs but decided to have them because we didn't want any jobsworths telling us we couldn't go in a Pub or restaurant or (predictably now) a football match.

We got Covid anyway, the missus who'd had two jabs was quite a bit worse than myself who'd had one jab at that point. So we feel it's an absolute waste of time from an immunisation standpoint.

Having or not having the vaccine should be entirely a matter of personal choice and no-one should be looked down upon or excluded from Society because of it.

Anyhow - back to season ticket sales hopefully.

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