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Which utterly brilliant manager will we be delighted to welcome next?


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7 minutes ago, TimmyJimmy said:

The mere fact that we're sifting through these applications now is precisely the evidence that things are broken and chaotic.

Successful businesses follow a model of continuous improvement ie they are not reactive. Waiting for a problem to emerge and then brainstorming a response is not the way to go. We should be anticipating events and preparing responses then we're not caught on the hop.

TM leaving is not something that has caught us by surprise, the club have known for ages, in fact the opposite, the club was in the driving seat and making the decisions about him leaving and when. How then could they not have had the replacement project up and running months before?

Candidates should have been highlighted, approaches made, feedback considered, shortlist sorted and concrete offers ready for the day WE effectively terminated TM and started this process running.

IMO after many decades of advising the boards of some of the world's largest and most successful businesses this isn't even the way you'd run a corner shop.

You never know when you're going to have to replace someone, good businesses have continuously running processes to have names ready to approach should needs demand.

SW and the rest act like they're computers who've just been rebooted ... power on ... load operating system ... check I/O devices ... then ask "who am I?" and "what am I doing here?" then stating looking round for something to do.

It just not good enough and smacks of the disorganised and the incompetent.

I flatter myself I do have a clue about this stuff.

I'm sure Waggott would have been watching potential people he want to interview for the head coach and I'm sure they have been people who have put their CV's who Rovers have not thought would be interest in the job but are. 

I don't see the problem with interviewing few candidates and see which one fits your club model and the footballing strategy going forward. QPR are doing very similar I believe from reports

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1 minute ago, Mattyblue said:

There is no particular problem in interviewing candidates, but you shouldn’t be sifting through CVs in the close season when you’ve known for months that the bloke in situ was to be out of contract and there was no indication from the owners that he was to be retained.

It’s called succession planning, alas standard business practices don’t exist at this club…

Cheap to keep the narrative of cost cutting in place and good enough to appease the fans, will take some serious sifting. 

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10 minutes ago, glen9mullan said:

Lets see what happens, but this time last year we was selling half our land off to developers.

My interest is in the club getting back to the premier league, thats above everything else 

I know and I was dead against the club selling the land off to developers. Its didn't happen. If Rovers wanted to build a brand new bigger training ground complex like the one Leicester City owner has built with massive investment whilst keeping our investment in our cat 1 academy I would be in favour of it as long as its done properly. 

I want to see Rovers back in the premier league and that's why I in favour of appointment of Farke or Carvalhal who can take us to the PL again cos Mowbray couldn't do it despite 4 years of trying. 

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1 hour ago, Mattyblue said:

So this summer the pitch is being completely renovated? Drainage, the works?

If that’s the case why is it not being mentioned by the club? As Swag would surely be shouting it from the rooftops, like he was the other year before he got put back in its box and the full works was scrapped. Looks just like a standard re-seed to me?

Sharpe confirmed last week it was just the standard maintenance, starting earlier than originally planned due to the cancellation of summerfest.

Woooooo.

 

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13 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I'm sure Waggott would have been watching potential people he want to interview for the head coach and I'm sure they have been people who have put their CV's who Rovers have not thought would be interest in the job but are. 

I don't see the problem with interviewing few candidates and see which one fits your club model and the footballing strategy going forward. QPR are doing very similar I believe from reports

If Sharpe is to be believed it seems Waggott has been that guy on a night out who won't chat a girl up, sits on a stool and hopes at 10 to 2 some girl will select him.

When have we become a club where we dont actively chase our own target?

If reports are to be believed, we will pick from applicants, no bloody wonder agents have had a party at Ewood.

Its laziness, and quite frankly embarrassing.

I just hope india choose to go with their own list and ignore the idiots at Ewood

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Well time is ticking by - about 3 weeks now until the players report back to Brockhall for pre-season training and really the new man and his staff need time to get in, get preparing pre-season and get to work on recruitment.

A lot to do in not a lot of time.

I have to say I am baffled by this sporting director but after the head coach is appointed 'plan'. 

Lets suppose we appoint someone on the basis they are going to be head coach and not manager, and therefore will have to relinquish some power to the sporting director on player recruitment and coaching staff. What happens in the interval between head coach and sporting directors arriving? Who is responsible for identifying and signing players? 

Is a head coach really going to tolerate being brought in and then having a sporting director imposed on them where there may be a clash of ideas, personalities?

The more time that passes the more concerned I am that this is merely going to be a powerless 'head coach' brought in to work within the existing system - which means alongside Lowe, Benson and Johnson and whatever people we have dealing with things behind the scenes.

I had hoped for a clean sweep and fresh start on coaching after 5 years of the same names and faces. It seems the club wishes to prioritise saving money on a couple of pay-offs or prioritises keeping nice lads in jobs than it does bringing in the best staff possible. Of course I'll wait until a final announcement on that front but the omens aren't good.

I've spoken to a lot of people against Carvalhal because he's had a lot of jobs in his career.

For me we need to be looking for someone who is going to give us the best chance right away, who might give us a couple of decent shots at it and then we can re-assess in 2 years time. Then either a change and target someone else or another try if we've gone near.

There seems to be a lot of people mistaking stability with needing to have the same manager for at least 3 years and that we should appoint someone based on how long they are likely to last. 

We don't need this. We should be able to avoid the boom and bust model without needing to keep the same manager in place for years and years.

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45 minutes ago, CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber said:

This has Simon Grayson written all over it. Cheap and desperate, the Venky dream. 

100%

He ticks every box.

I’ll be looking for something else to do on Saturday afternoons if these owners bring him or someone of his ilk to the club, because it’s then indisputable that they have zero intention of improving this football club.

 

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20 minutes ago, glen9mullan said:

If Sharpe is to be believed it seems Waggott has been that guy on a night out who won't chat a girl up, sits on a stool and hopes at 10 to 2 some girl will select him.

When have we become a club where we dont actively chase our own target?

If reports are to be believed, we will pick from applicants, no bloody wonder agents have had a party at Ewood.

Its laziness, and quite frankly embarrassing.

I just hope india choose to go with their own list and ignore the idiots at Ewood

How would India go and appoint a head coach like Farke and who would do the talking? 

What happens if Farke and Carvalhal have applied for the head coach job to Waggott? 

 

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1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

How would India go and appoint a head coach like Farke and who would do the talking? 

What happens if Farke and Carvalhal have applied for the head coach job to Waggott? 

 

if they have, the sifting will sort them out, as they will be far too expensive.

Coyle mark 2 is probably earmarked in India, just in case the Billy Smarts circus act has forgotten how to deliver the purest comedy around.

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12 minutes ago, JHRover said:

I had hoped for a clean sweep and fresh start on coaching after 5 years of the same names and faces. It seems the club wishes to prioritise saving money on a couple of pay-offs or prioritises keeping nice lads in jobs than it does bringing in the best staff possible.

It is merely the next round of managed decline. Give it a year and it will all feel like our normal level. Accepted and celebrated by some.

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1 minute ago, lraC said:

if they have, the sifting will sort them out, as they will be far too expensive.

Coyle mark 2 is probably earmarked in India, just in case the Billy Smarts circus act has forgotten how to deliver the purest comedy around.

Yep.

Fans definition for criteria of "outstanding candidate" poles apart from what they are actually looking for.

Essential - cheap and humble

Desireable - good coach

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17 minutes ago, JHRover said:

Lets suppose we appoint someone on the basis they are going to be head coach and not manager, and therefore will have to relinquish some power to the sporting director on player recruitment and coaching staff. What happens in the interval between head coach and sporting directors arriving? Who is responsible for identifying and signing players? 

Is a head coach really going to tolerate being brought in and then having a sporting director imposed on them where there may be a clash of ideas, personalities?

The recruitment department will have identify players already and will continue to work on scouting players. 

It's important that Sporting Director and head coach get on and work together. No Sporting Director will force signings on the head coach but sign players that fit into head coach tactics and the type of players he wants for the position we need a signing for. Head Coach will have a say in who we target but the sporting director tends to decide the player. 

 

17 minutes ago, JHRover said:

I have to say I am baffled by this sporting director

maybe we are waiting for a certain candidate to leave a club? 

18 minutes ago, JHRover said:

The more time that passes the more concerned I am that this is merely going to be a powerless 'head coach' brought in to work within the existing system - which means alongside Lowe, Benson and Johnson and whatever people we have dealing with things behind the scenes.

This will be discuss in interviews but most people will want to bring in 2 or 3 people with them but keep 1 or 2 people who are familiar with the club and know the players like Souness did when he came in with Tony Parkes. 

I think we the new head coach will be allow to bring in his own number and goalkeeper coach but Johnson will stay on. 

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There is at least one person among our fanbase who would be happy if we reappointed Kean and Coyle… just as long as we gave them the titles of Sporting Director and Head Coach.

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11 hours ago, 1864roverite said:

Mowbray was talking utter garbage after his toy out the pram throwing episode and fall out with his back room staff 🤬

Have you ever considered how long it takes to review a large quantity of applications and vast interest in the job? 
if you are serious about a lack of planning going on behind the scenes you really haven’t got a clue 

Then how does every other club manage to replace managers so quickly?

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24 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

The recruitment department will have identify players already and will continue to work on scouting players. 

It's important that Sporting Director and head coach get on and work together. No Sporting Director will force signings on the head coach but sign players that fit into head coach tactics and the type of players he wants for the position we need a signing for. Head Coach will have a say in who we target but the sporting director tends to decide the player. 

 

maybe we are waiting for a certain candidate to leave a club? 

This will be discuss in interviews but most people will want to bring in 2 or 3 people with them but keep 1 or 2 people who are familiar with the club and know the players like Souness did when he came in with Tony Parkes. 

I think we the new head coach will be allow to bring in his own number and goalkeeper coach but Johnson will stay on. 

As I say I will believe it when I see it but these sort of steps would fly in the face and contrast with everything they have done to date during their 'stewardship' of the Club.

I have no problem with the head coach / sporting director model. In fact I have come to the conclusion that this is necessary and probably the only way things will work out here with owners who refuse to come to the UK and who operate in such a bizarre way.

People will say they have learned lessons and will now do things differently. I hope so. But it is worth remembering that under Mowbray very recently we still had the old fashioned structure with him basically running everything at the club from the top down and even, at least for some time, was more powerful than the CEO. So it will be quite a drastic turnaround to simply appoint a head coach. 

To me the owners have shown no desire nor interest  in putting in place a sensible structure that will enable the club to progress without its fortunes being tied directly to the presence of a particular manager. It was the same under Bowyer - left to do it all himself - did a reasonable job but when the time came for a change it was a huge upheaval. 

We don't tend to approach or bring in anyone who is employed elsewhere. 

My interpretation of things is that one of the middle man - Pasha, Waggott or both - have concluded the head coach structure is the way to go here. I agree with that. But actually delivering such a structure - getting the right people into the right positions at the right times - is easier said than done especially when your focus is on doing things as cheaply or as easily as possible.

The way to do it of course is to headhunt a sporting director with experience of working at a similar club, bring him in and delegate footballing decisions to him. But this process should already be at its conclusion - it is already becoming too late for such an individual to contribute to key areas such as appointing the next first team manager and recruiting half a new team this summer. 

You refer to the 'recruitment department' but these people are analysts and scouts not people who decide who we are signing. There has to be an individual - manager or sporting director - who goes through that information and takes responsibility for getting deals done and how those perform.

If a head coach comes in before the end of the month, which I think is looking unlikely, then that bloke is going to need to know exactly what he has to work with and will need to crack on with getting signings lined up. What we are seemingly planning on doing is then dropping an as yet unidentified sporting director into the mix, who might have completely different ideas on things half way through the summer. Just seems a backward way of doing it.

We've seen attempts at this before - Coyle was manager, we than randomly appointed a Director of Football (Paul Senior) mid way through the season who talked the talk but clearly wasn't qualified for the role, and then after one window and a few months he left and wasn't replaced. So whatever was going on there clearly wasn't planned, thought out or stuck to in any way. Mowbray just got on a plane to India, got his new contract and was able to run the club himself for 5 years.

It is going to need much more coherency this time around, yet the people responsible for that are the same.

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