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Which utterly brilliant manager will we be delighted to welcome next?


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54 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

How would India go and appoint a head coach like Farke and who would do the talking? 

What happens if Farke and Carvalhal have applied for the head coach job to Waggott? 

 

Why can't the multi billionaire owners come to the UK for a bit to deal with such a crucial decision on the ground? 

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45 minutes ago, OldEwoodBlue said:

Yep.

Fans definition for criteria of "outstanding candidate" poles apart from what they are actually looking for.

Essential - cheap and humble

Desireable - good coach

 

' Will toe the Party line'

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32 minutes ago, PeteJD13 said:

I don’t get the obsession with a sporting director who’ll have no power and very little influence. Venus has been doing that role for 2 years now. If we cannot even get the managerial search right, and our owners are being as useless as ever it’s a pointless job, that’ll be filled by another ill equipped no mark like senior 

How do you know he will have no influence? and I thought you were in favour of this structure when we discuss previously? 

How do you know we aren't getting the head coach search right? 

24 minutes ago, Miller11 said:

There is at least one person among our fanbase who would be happy if we reappointed Kean and Coyle… just as long as we gave them the titles of Sporting Director and Head Coach.

another one of your low blow dig at me. Its almost a weekly thing. 

And just for the record I wouldn't be happy with either of them. Now both applying their trade in Scottish football. 

I just think a Sporting Director head coach structure suits the club and its works at many clubs like Norwich, Brentford, Forest, Huddersfield just to name a few people. 

18 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

Then how does every other club manage to replace managers so quickly?

Have QPR replace Warburton yet? 

Have Burnley replace Dyche with a permanent replacement? 

Its took Newcastle nearly 3 weeks to replace Bruce with Eddie Howe and they interview several candidates before picking him despite billions and billions of pounds ownership 

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10 minutes ago, davulsukur said:

Why can't the multi billionaire owners come to the UK for a bit to deal with such a crucial decision on the ground? 

for me, they can make a decision in India about the appointment or even rectify Pasha and Waggott decision who to appoint? 

 

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23 minutes ago, JHRover said:

As I say I will believe it when I see it but these sort of steps would fly in the face and contrast with everything they have done to date during their 'stewardship' of the Club.

I have no problem with the head coach / sporting director model. In fact I have come to the conclusion that this is necessary and probably the only way things will work out here with owners who refuse to come to the UK and who operate in such a bizarre way.

People will say they have learned lessons and will now do things differently. I hope so. But it is worth remembering that under Mowbray very recently we still had the old fashioned structure with him basically running everything at the club from the top down and even, at least for some time, was more powerful than the CEO. So it will be quite a drastic turnaround to simply appoint a head coach. 

To me the owners have shown no desire nor interest  in putting in place a sensible structure that will enable the club to progress without its fortunes being tied directly to the presence of a particular manager. It was the same under Bowyer - left to do it all himself - did a reasonable job but when the time came for a change it was a huge upheaval. 

We don't tend to approach or bring in anyone who is employed elsewhere. 

My interpretation of things is that one of the middle man - Pasha, Waggott or both - have concluded the head coach structure is the way to go here. I agree with that. But actually delivering such a structure - getting the right people into the right positions at the right times - is easier said than done especially when your focus is on doing things as cheaply or as easily as possible.

The way to do it of course is to headhunt a sporting director with experience of working at a similar club, bring him in and delegate footballing decisions to him. But this process should already be at its conclusion - it is already becoming too late for such an individual to contribute to key areas such as appointing the next first team manager and recruiting half a new team this summer. 

You refer to the 'recruitment department' but these people are analysts and scouts not people who decide who we are signing. There has to be an individual - manager or sporting director - who goes through that information and takes responsibility for getting deals done and how those perform.

If a head coach comes in before the end of the month, which I think is looking unlikely, then that bloke is going to need to know exactly what he has to work with and will need to crack on with getting signings lined up. What we are seemingly planning on doing is then dropping an as yet unidentified sporting director into the mix, who might have completely different ideas on things half way through the summer. Just seems a backward way of doing it.

We've seen attempts at this before - Coyle was manager, we than randomly appointed a Director of Football (Paul Senior) mid way through the season who talked the talk but clearly wasn't qualified for the role, and then after one window and a few months he left and wasn't replaced. So whatever was going on there clearly wasn't planned, thought out or stuck to in any way. Mowbray just got on a plane to India, got his new contract and was able to run the club himself for 5 years.

It is going to need much more coherency this time around, yet the people responsible for that are the same.

You made alot of good points there JH. 

Yes I agree we need to appoint the right people for these roles and need to correct experience. 

I am in favour of appointing an experience head coach like Farke or Carvalhal. Then someone like Stuart Webber from Norwich who might be leaving Norwich shortly or Steve Hitchen, the former Spurs Director of Technical Performance and chief scout there in the sporting director role. 

I am hoping we can get both appointment done before the end of May/start of June. Lets wait and see

Yes I know what our recruitment and scouting department contain but I know they are still scouting and analysing potential signings. We need a Sporting Director and Head coach in place to make decisions on potential signings tho we only need around 6 to 8 signings this summer. 

 

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4 minutes ago, Miller11 said:

From the man who repeats himself approximately every 17 minutes.

well you can put me on ignore Duncan if you don't want to read my posts instead of you making sly digs at me wanting different footballing structure at their club and something that works at alot of clubs who have been promoted in recent seasons. 

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24 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

How do you know he will have no influence? and I thought you were in favour of this structure when we discuss previously? 

How do you know we aren't getting the head coach search right? 

another one of your low blow dig at me. Its almost a weekly thing. 

And just for the record I wouldn't be happy with either of them. Now both applying their trade in Scottish football. 

I just think a Sporting Director head coach structure suits the club and its works at many clubs like Norwich, Brentford, Forest, Huddersfield just to name a few people. 

Have QPR replace Warburton yet? 

Have Burnley replace Dyche with a permanent replacement? 

Its took Newcastle nearly 3 weeks to replace Bruce with Eddie Howe and they interview several candidates before picking him despite billions and billions of pounds ownership 

Because they never do and expecting them to change after 12 years doesn’t make sense 

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5 minutes ago, arbitro said:

Jesus wept. Now there is talk of the model they want to follow. Who says so, who has advised them, what structure do they have to interview candidates based on this supposed model? They are once again winging it as they have done with almost every managerial appointment. Cheap - tick, subservient - tick, under performing - tick, doesn't ask for anything - tick. There you have it, the credentials needed to manage our club in the last twelve years. They aren't bothered, they haven't watched us play live for around eight years - I doubt they even watch us on a live stream. I'd wager they can't even name five players. And yet still some are optimistic and have faith and trust in them.

There is a strong rumour circulating about Brockhall once again. For anybody who knows the Academy layout this involves cutting back the trees which run down the side of the main pitch and also the trees behind the top goals on the same pitch. The supposed plan is then to extend the size of the Academy site and ultimately to incorporate it into the STC too. This complies with the covenant currently in effect at the Academy. Has anybody else heard similar?

I'd heard something ages ago, but club discovered it wasn't possible as the land behind the trees is on quite a large slope and is really boggy. Would take an effort to make it work that makes the whole thing not worthwhile apparently.

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Just now, chaddyrovers said:

 

 

Great so just in time for the players coming back, for taking time that’s seeking approval from venkys. When they can actually be bothered about their baby. It makes me laugh all the hullabaloo about a sporting direct it’s not new venus has been doing that role 

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Always the ‘little old Rovers’ pat on the head vibe from Myers. 

He hasn’t been as accepting of mediocrity at his beloved Toffees this season…

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2 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

Always the ‘little old Rovers’ pat on the head vibe from Myers. 

He hasn’t asked as accepting of mediocrity at his beloved Toffees this season…

He’s a hypocrite slated big Sam but we had to grateful for Mowbray 

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12 hours ago, simongarnerisgod said:

we did`nt have the first team training on it this year ,like they did last year during bad weather,i never figured that one out when we have indoor facilities at brockhall?????

I'm convinced that was so the surveyors could move into Brockhall for the ill fated sell off plan? By all accounts the groundsman warned against it - but they "ploughed" on and destroyed the surface regardless

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1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

for me, they can make a decision in India about the appointment or even rectify Pasha and Waggott decision who to appoint? 

 

Rectify.... good word for it.

Cheston (poor lamb) had his decision to appoint Warnock rectified.

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3 minutes ago, OldEwoodBlue said:

Rectify.... good word for it.

Cheston (poor lamb) had his decision to appoint Warnock rectified.

The stem of the word rect is very appropriate as the owners certainly shoved it up it.

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30 minutes ago, sw0808 said:

I'm convinced that was so the surveyors could move into Brockhall for the ill fated sell off plan? By all accounts the groundsman warned against it - but they "ploughed" on and destroyed the surface regardless

your probably right,moggadon did come out with some garbled **** that indoor facilities cause injuries,complete **** of course,most clubs in the top two divisions have indoor astroturf pitches in case of the weather situation,it`s no wonder steve pickup the head groundsman ***** off soon after

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22 minutes ago, Hasta said:

So won’t be in place by the end of May, exactly as predicted.

Exactly. So I'm thinking why didn't they act sooner, they've had time. After all this is the number one priority.

Oh yeah, owners & current structure are unable to make decisions.

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Just goes to show that the rumours around early March time that they were looking to replace Mowbray were total bollocks.

They only make decisions when they absolutely have to. Often too late and always wrong. 

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very worrying that it`s taking this long,i hope im`e hopelessly wrong but this wait could mean venus has already got the job and the club is string us along,either venus or johnson,the latter i could handle,the former is going backwards

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20 hours ago, Tricky said:

Think we deserve better, we've been there before and we won't get out this division with that style of football. 

He'd be a shrewd appointment if our budget is on a shoestring, which it may well be.

Ainsworth is on a "long term" contract, believed to be until 2025 (seems bizarrely hush-hush). We'd be looking at ~£0.5m to ~£1m to get him, at a guess.

Having said that, I suspect a contract and all the luggage for getting in a Carvalhal or a Farke (who might have certain demands) would come to more.

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5 minutes ago, goozburger said:

He'd be a shrewd appointment if our budget is on a shoestring, which it may well be.

Ainsworth is on a "long term" contract, believed to be until 2025 (seems bizarrely hush-hush). We'd be looking at ~£0.5m to ~£1m to get him, at a guess.

Having said that, I suspect a contract and all the luggage for getting in a Carvalhal or a Farke (who might have certain demands) would come to more.

I still think he’d be a good fit.

Ainsworth has demonstrated the ability to take a club forwards on very little funding, over a sustained period of time.

As for the style of play, I guess he could’ve tried to play pretty football and waxed lyrical about going on a “journey”, but (shock/horror) he has concentrated on getting results.

I don’t think he’ll be coming to Rovers as I doubt he will apply, given he’s currently under contract, and we know that Venkys don’t like paying compensation.

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1 hour ago, matt83 said:

Just goes to show that the rumours around early March time that they were looking to replace Mowbray were total bollocks.

They only make decisions when they absolutely have to. Often too late and always wrong. 

Of course, if he had another year on his contract he’d still be here. A decision only being made because the bloke in position has actually left the building.

Win, lose, draw. Charge up the table or death spiral - Pune couldn’t care less.

 

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