Jon Dahl Tomasson - no longer Sweden coach

[KentExile]

12 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Devil's advocate mode:

We spent £10m on players but sold better ones for £12m. So its almost exactly the same percentage.

Funny one that.

Who'd have thought that selling good players and bringing in inferior replacements wouldn't work for either Club?

Not to disagree with your post, I basically agree with what you have said.  But....

This summer it was the same %, However we have had multiple seasons preceding this one where we have offloaded Wharton, Szmodics, got the Raya money, and reinvested basically none of it.

Remember that incommings do not impact Rovers budget, our budget is for some reason set in stone and cannot be altered increased ever.  So if we are to take Rovers/Gestede/Pasha at face value (I know, I know), we have only spent that % this summer by pure coincidence, and our past transfer income vs expenditure does back that up

 

Edited as per Wilsden

Edited 8 hours ago by KentExile

[wilsdenrover]

Just now, KentExile said:

Not to disagree with your post, I basically agree with what you have said.  But....

This summer it was the same %, However we have had multiple seasons preceding this one where we have offloaded Wharton, Szmodics, got the Ray money, and reinvested basically none of it.

Remember that incommings do not impact Rovers budget, our budget is for some reason set in stone and cannot be altered ever.  So if we are to take Rovers/Gestede/Pasha at face value (I know, I know), we have only spent that % this summer by pure coincidence, and our past transfer income vs expenditure does back that up

I’m pretty certain it can be reduced.

[KentExile]

6 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

I’m pretty certain it can be reduced.

Fair comment, I have edited my previous post

[RevidgeBlue]

11 minutes ago, KentExile said:

Not to disagree with your post, I basically agree with what you have said.  But....

This summer it was the same %, However we have had multiple seasons preceding this one where we have offloaded Wharton, Szmodics, got the Raya money, and reinvested basically none of it.

Remember that incommings do not impact Rovers budget, our budget is for some reason set in stone and cannot be altered increased ever.  So if we are to take Rovers/Gestede/Pasha at face value (I know, I know), we have only spent that % this summer by pure coincidence, and our past transfer income vs expenditure does back that up

 

Edited as per Wilsden

Agreed.

Wasn't trying to defend them in any way.

That incoming transfer money vanished into the ether on running expenses like it never existed because at the time they seemed to begrudge providing a guarantee for any money sent over.

I suppose the acid test would be if we ever made a couple of really big sales in future (as unlikely as it seems at present) whether or not a substantial amount would be reinvested.

Seemingly not according to Gestede.

Which from a fan's point of view begs the question - what's the point of it all?

There isn't one.

[roversfan99]

47 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Agreed.

Wasn't trying to defend them in any way.

That incoming transfer money vanished into the ether on running expenses like it never existed because at the time they seemed to begrudge providing a guarantee for any money sent over.

I suppose the acid test would be if we ever made a couple of really big sales in future (as unlikely as it seems at present) whether or not a substantial amount would be reinvested.

Seemingly not according to Gestede.

Which from a fan's point of view begs the question - what's the point of it all?

There isn't one.

It wasnt because of the guarantee. Its an easy excuse.

They did the same with the Armstrong money.

 

[RevidgeBlue]

5 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

It wasnt because of the guarantee. Its an easy excuse.

They did the same with the Armstrong money.

 

As I've said all along - they COULD have provided guarantees and similar levels of funding to previously - they just didnt want to.

[roversfan99]

19 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

As I've said all along - they COULD have provided guarantees and similar levels of funding to previously - they just didnt want to.

But again, they have very rarely willingly "pumped in" money, before, during or after the court case and need for a guarantee.

There has only been one year where they didnt need to put money in, but its an anomoly based on an academy graduate record sale, very atypical from what they usually HAVE to do just like all Championship owners and offset losses. Had Wharton not been who he was, they would still like every other year had to cover losses.

I feel like your historical desire to often deflect blame away from the owners and onto various individuals is perhaps based on a misunderstanding regarding the money they raise via share capital each year. You once said that Mowbray had wasted £100m of funding over 5 years which sums up this misunderstanding. 

[RevidgeBlue]

39 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

I feel like your historical desire to often deflect blame away from the owners and onto various individuals is perhaps based on a misunderstanding regarding the money they raise via share capital each year. You once said that Mowbray had wasted £100m of funding over 5 years which sums up this misunderstanding. 

Don't be so patronising.

Im not misunderstanding anything nor did I ever say "Mowbray wasted £100m."

However whilst he was here they put funding into the Club to a higher level than now and to a much better level than JDT and Eustace had to get by on.

Whether the exact figure during Mowbray's tenure was 80, 90 or £100m is irrelevant. The support was greater than is available now and Mowbray wasted it on his road to nowhere and by handing out contracts like sweeties to players who didnt warrant it or who were past it whilst not extending the contracts of key players.

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[roversfan99]

6 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Don't be so patronising.

Im not misunderstanding anything nor did I ever say "Mowbray wasted £100m."

However whilst he was here they put funding into the Club to a higher level than now and to a much better level than JDT and Eustace had to get by on.

Whether the exact figure during Mowbray's tenure was 80, 90 or £100m is irrelevant. The support was greater than is available now and Mowbray wasted it on his road to nowhere and by handing out contracts like sweeties to players who didnt warrant it or who were past it whilst not extending the contracts of key players.

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Championship clubs run at a loss. Therefore, owners have to offset those losses every year. Thats not to be confused with owners who put money in to improve the team.

Also, surely after what we have seen since, you now realise it wasnt Mowbray who wasnt willing to give suitable new contracts to key players.

They had that one season where we spent £10m but most summers we were scratching around. The last summer, we sold Armstrong and they turned the taps totally off. Its what they do regularly and thats my point. Lets stop pinning too much blame on individuals outside of Venkys/Suhail. Its been a consistent theme, and them offsetting losses shouldnt be seen as them pumping in money, its just a mandatory obligation. 

[chaddyrovers]

Could be interesting move by Norwich if JDT got that job. Could see Swansea being in for him. 

3 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

It wasnt because of the guarantee. Its an easy excuse.

They did the same with the Armstrong money.

 

The Armstrong sale and the STC sale was needed to avoid an transfer embargo cos we were well above the FFP limit

[davulsukur]

No idea what the state of the Norwich squad is like, whether it's really poor or Manning was just a dreadful manager. 

If the squad has enough quality, JDT should be able to come in and have a decent impact there.

The wheels fell off here but it was probably because the owners pulled the rug, rather than JDT's management.

If it's a poor squad, he's probably not the right man for the job.

[Waggy76]

50 minutes ago, davulsukur said:

No idea what the state of the Norwich squad is like, whether it's really poor or Manning was just a dreadful manager. 

If the squad has enough quality, JDT should be able to come in and have a decent impact there.

The wheels fell off here but it was probably because the owners pulled the rug, rather than JDT's management.

If it's a poor squad, he's probably not the right man for the job.

I cannot see, a team in the relegation zone in mid November , employing JDT!