Scott Sellar was 9 stone dripping wet but one of the best midfielders in a league more physical than this one.

I think the current badge is superb and one of the best in the entire four divisions. It has everything you would want - our name, year of formation, Latin motto and the red rose of Lancashire. Tweaking it a little with the blue and white halved background would be good and, as EiT says, perhaps changing the yellow lettering and also changing the shade of blue to royal blue on the circular part of the badge. A very marginal update, for me.

Hugill proving far more effective for QPR as a loan than either of our big money strikers. This season looks an opportunity missed, with the money we've spent over the past 2 years we should have a much stronger starting 11 than we do.

I'm out in Spain at the moment so I can't do it now. I'm a klutz with computers but No 2 son is pretty good. I'll see what he can do when I get back. It really is a great little series of drawings, the caricature is Dougie to a tee.

This league his very poor and the teams who do well are organized ones . Look at the spine of the Rovers team Walton , Williams , Johnson and Graham a very experienced spine and good enough for this league . So wheres TM going wrong Bennett and Lenihan are midfielders Gallagher , Armstrong , are forwards and they are all playing out of position . If we are going to keep playing this way its going to be a long hard season . If we are to move forward as a club TM needs to be brave a get more young lads in Rankin , Tosin in to the back four and move Lenihan into midfield Rothwell and Chapman on to the wings or Could Travis be moved out wide and have a midfield of Chapman Lenihan Johnson and Travis. Dack and Graham upfront and a back four of , Rankin, Tosin , Williams and Cunningham something needs to give its the same everyweek silly mistakes and players switching off

A foul would be given in that situation 99% of the time, we had two players impeding the goalkeeper so I don't see how we can cry unfair treatment there. We already got away with one against Hull. Wonder if Mowbray is instructing the players to do this?

Views on the disallowed goal? I thought it was weak goalkeeping and kind from the ref.

Let's hope he turns out to be the next Gemmill!

How does a shirker like Armstrong walk into the first XI but Rothwell and Chapman are hung out to dry?

Even though the quality is low, you could make a case for most Championship games being 'tough' if you really wanted to. Let's take the next three games. Millwall have already been to WBA - a place where some don't mind a 3-2 defeat - twice this season and won and drawn. Only lost once out of six. Can already hear them being dubbed a 'tough nut to crack' or similar. Reading away. They've also been to WBA and drawn. They also beat Cardiff at home 3-0.....some people were happy with the 0-0 draw we had against them last week. We lost there last season, so a draw there would be an improvement, etc etc. If Luton have a couple of decent results before we play them their 'promotion bounce' will no doubt be mentioned, and you could go on and on. At the end of the day it's all nonsense because there's zero to fear and, if our aim is to make the top 6 like Mowbray and the players told us all summer, we should be going out to win every game and not being content with dropping points against teams we're supposed to be aiming to be up there with.

We live in a country where people are offended by what someone says and ambivalent about what someone does. There would be greater outrage if the EFL made an insensitive joke on Twitter than letting a club shut its gates.

Conway and Rodwell haven’t been signed up anywhere, neither has Whittingham from last summer...

Fulham yes , not sure about anyone else and that includes Sky favourites Leeds !

I think the bottom badge is from a cigarette card issued in 1957 , interestingly it shows the badge on the kit which I did not think happened until the 60 cup final (although the shirt was badged in the 1928 cup final) and is a simple representation of the town badge or the one that was possibly on Rovers officials blazers around that time https://www.grahambuddauctions.co.uk/150518-lot-1327-A-Blackburn-Rovers-Football-Club-blazer-badge-initialled-B-R-F-C-and-bearing-the-town-crest-there?view=lot_detail&auction_id=93 or club documents Edit : Part of the set of cigarette cards which feature the badge

Be careful, most of us only get one

New badge please:

I'm not sure about the blue and white. Saffron and pink maybe.

Watched the highlights again. Oh dear- we were horrible for all three goals. Many thanks to the Baggies for our two but we were over generous in return. Actually very unusual to see a game of five goals without a sinlge "proper" goal scored by either side.

Its an interesting letter from Dale, but of course he has failed to address certain things. the most damning was the sale of the clubs debts to his daughters partner, so you have to wonder if the league are totally to blame, or if it is six of one and half a dozen of the other. I don't trust the league one little bit and as can be seen from many a shady owner, getting their hands on clubs, the system needs a total overhaul.

Words were exchanged at half time and we brought Rothwell on. Will he start the next game? Probably not. Mowbray keeps making the same mistakes and just when you think he has learnt, he goes backwards. Then everyone seems shocked when the performances suffer. We’ll be having this same debate week in week out until Mowbray stops trying to keep everyone happy with his squad rotation strategy. How long til we see Evans or even Smallwood back in the first team in some I’ll-judged ‘back to basics’ approach?

Spot on. Mowbray is sending in the 'shorter' players to impede the keeper hoping to get away with it sometimes, which we clearly did at Hull. If Graham or Gallagher were doing it we would have no discussion.

All that points to him being frustrated by lack of first team opportunities by the sounds of it, it's about time he had some.

So's the skill level. You have top players today who can only pass and shoot with one foot and they can only tackle on their good side. Lots of them are extremely poor in the air also.

I'd love to see that. You could find someone to scan it for you, or just take a photo of it.

One of my all time favourites. Tremendously skilled and on his day, a top class act. A player with an edge and an aggression - could, and frequently did, mix it with anyone. Just loved his directness and the way he attacked the defender(s) with the ball. Thanks for the memories Fergie and R.I.P.

Well, yes he has, but this is the first season he's started in the same division he finished the previous one in. His aim in his first summer window was to rebuild confidence in an ailing club and to build a squad to get out of L1 at the first time of asking, which he did. His second full season was a very different task, the main aim being to consolidate our position in the Championship, which he did pretty comfortably. That takes a very different set of playing & managerial styles to achieve as the quality of opponent is much stronger. This season (his third full season) is the first time he's starting in the same division he finished in, and this time the aim is top 6. Again, that takes a very different type of approach & better quality of player to achieve, and of course the jury's out on whether he can achieve that. So to therefore say, just because he's been here for 3 years, that he's had 3 years to gel together a squad with a style (as opposed to just a team spirit) sufficient to get promoted to the PL is a little disingenuous. Yes some clubs have bounced through with consecutive promotions, but they're the exception rather than the rule. I don't expect to dissuade you (or anyone else) from your opinion, which of course you are entitled to; I'm just giving mine, which I like to think is pretty even handed and realistic, all things considered.

Walton was never getting there. He actually signals for Cunningham to knock it away.

I think we’re a top quality striker away from being a top 6 side. If we had someone like Assombolomba who guarantees 15-20 goals a season then we’d be up there. It’s clear TM hasn’t found the right formula for his attacking positions yet. Dack and Downing are probably the only two certain starters up there right now as they both have quality you can’t leave out, but the other positions are up for grabs. Time to drop Armstrong and give Buckley an extended spell in the team (which I think he will); and forget the idea of playing Gallagher out wide (although he has worked hard out there). I do think we need to keep things in perspective as we were at rock bottom 3 years ago with the worst Rovers side in my lifetime. We’ve come along way since then and are slowly progressing. The likes of Buckley, JRC, Travis, Nyambe, Butterworth means I think we have a good chance of promotion over the next couple of years.

There are no myths. Pretty much everyone on here felt our first 6 game sequence was tough, to say otherwise is rewriting history. Fulham are more than just a team with a rookie manager; they spent £100m and still have a core of players starting that got them promoted last time. Boro are an established top half championship side, albeit on the decline / in transition. Same with WBA, except they have a manager with a very strong pedigree. Cardiff are a big, strong team that work well as a unit, did better in the Prem than most expected & were perhaps (tragically) only a striker away from surviving. They won at OT convincingly last game of the season, and have a manager most on here would have like a shot. Hull was a winnable game; we won it. The only real surprise was Charlton. Given where they are in the table, had that been our 6th game and not our first then maybe we'd have been less expectant of an easy 3 points. Plus we should've won that game anyway and have since replaced 2 of that game's back. So I'd call that a reasonably decent start? Can we follow it up? TM deserves the chance to prove we can.

A shout-out too goes to Armstrong and reiterating @Hasta 's point. Armstrong looked as if he didn't give a shit and arguably cost us a goal, by letting his man leave him and him literally jog back having given the ball away. In my opinion - Rothwell, Costello, Buckley all should be ahead of him. At least these boys would show more drive and passion, and arguably are better than him.

Watch Armstrong for the second goal. Gets skinned easily on the touchline and then starts trotting back towards goal. At the last minute he sees the danger right infront of him and bursts into a sprint to close the man down but it's too late. Just lazy. Having been done so easily he should be busting a gut to get back after the guy.

This is why I think our start is far from a disaster, and those who want TM out on the back of it are way too hard and premature in their judgement. He's a steady, solid manager with knowledge, passion & respect within the game. Not spectacular or flashy by any means, but being that won't rebuild this club. There's such a long way to go this season. Those that have shot out of the traps (Swansea & Charlton especially) will almost certainly fall back into the pack. We're taking time to gel & find the right combinations, but there's top 6 quality in our squad in this league if we can find the right system going forward and cut out silly defensive errors at the back. IMO we're not far off being realistic top 6 challengers come March / April, at which point anything can happen.

https://www.rovers.co.uk/news/2019/august/lacklustre-first-half-let-us-down/ I find this disappointing as Mowbray doesn't mention the individuals who cost us goals, not even a general comment about the mistakes. After his recent public calling out of young players it doesn't sit right with me.

Whilst the defence did alright against the likes of Boro and Hull, against a good side today it was shown to be very poor. That defence will get us no higher than mid table. Bennett was as terrible as ever but we all know he's undroppable, Williams' limitations at centre back were highlighted by a good side. Lenihan was poor against higher quality opponents which is a regular theme with him, Cunningham poor for their first goal but given zero help by Armstrong in the first half. Armstrong is not good enough for Championship football he's another Will Grigg he will score goals in League 1 but isn't up to it in the Championship. Ridiculous decision to start Gallagher over Graham and to then only give Graham 15 minutes or so when a goal was needed was another poor decision. Rothwell looks like his confidence has taken a big hit which is understandable at the end of last season he was playing well and brimming with confidence yet he finds himself back on the bench for the new season. Downing looked every bit his 35 years against a side with far more pace and energy than anything that we have previously played. Buckley looks like he has some ability but he is still a fair way away from being ready for Championship football, he's far too lightweight. A spell out on loan in League 1 or 2 would do a lot for him. Dack and Travis who combined for the opener were about the only to bright points of today. Travis good throughout, Dack was good first half but drifted in the second when playing as a false 9. Mowbray has played him in that role a few times now and he has never looked comfortable playing it, a stupid idea especially when we have Graham on the bench. Nearly 3 years into Mowbray's tenure the vast majority of players have been signed by him and yet he still seems to have no idea of his best 11 or best system. Until he is gone we will be treading water in mid table at the very best.

There aren't truly any "tough" games in The Championship. The gulf in class is not that wide compared to what you'd find in the top flight. Anyone can beat anyone on their day.

For all the much vaunted stability that Mowbray has brought under his tenure we will not/cannot move forward to where we should be. It will be mid table mediocrity for ever and a day under this man.

We don't know what our best team is. We don't know what our style of play is. We never have under Mowbray. We won't go anywhere until we do. If anyone can name a stretch where we have been unchanged for three games under TM, I would love to be reminded of it. Constant rotation and changing roles and experimenting mid-match won't strengthen us long term. It won't develop the players. It won't allow us to develop a style of play which we can rely on. It won't win us football matches on a consistent enough basis to get in to the Top 6 of the Championship. Tony needs to decide what his best team is now and work with them to build something that works. We have some damn good talent in our squad, but we seem a ways away from it all gelling.

EFL: ??? what Brentford game?

Shame for Jimmy only 25 wickets off 600. If he gets fit and he’s still got the hunger there’s definitely a place for him. But at mid 30s, young family etc 3 winter tours to New Zealand, South Africa and Sri Lanka might just be enough for him to say sod it. As for lancs another record non roses crowd last night of 15,196. Shame the home game in bloody Durham on a Wednesday. The ECB/Sky aren’t fit for purpose. The ECB schedule their premier domestic tournament (in terms of revenue) at the same time as an ashes test match. Then show zero consideration to Lancs fans who’ve been dealt a bum hand by not putting them on Saturday. Also with rain delays day one can go to 7pm which clashes with the start of the t20s and if there’s lost overs days 2 onwards could go on past 7pm in which case sky will have scheduling conflicts. Suppose cricket isn’t any different to football in that the considerations are 1 money, 2 money, 3 money, 4 money, 5 TV, 6 clubs/players and rock bottom the fans.

I remember well the first march from the Havelock to Ewood before the Arsenal match. To say I was disappointed would be an understatement. Only a few hundred turned up and the disdain we received around Ewood was alarming. We were told to get behind the team, the owners, Mean, we are not proper fans etc. I often wonder if it would have been different in thousands of fans had marched instead of pouring scorn on the ones highlighting the plight we felt was coming. How right we were. One of the only true things Kean said was that only 1% of fans were protesting.

Embarrassed by what the owners and the criminal negligence had done to our club. Ashamed of the lack of culpability from footballing bodies and the support of shysters in the media.

Exactly. I was ashamed of those fans who sat on their hands and watched these nefarious people do what they liked with our club - under the guise of “backing the boys”. I was never ashamed to support this club. Poor show Philip.

Never, ever I have been embarrassed by Blackburn Rovers. The club was under occupation by nefarious people, but that in no way impacted my view of a football institution going back nearly 150 years.

Shame for being a Rovers fan? I stopped reading there.

Mowbray not flawless. We do lose games through his selections, tactics and substitutions we should otherwise be getting points from. But in a dirty industry of mega egos and prize shits I am deeply pleased we have a human being who fundamentally tries to be decent and do his very best as Rovers manager. Mowbray is a welcome change considering the open sewer we had running through the heart of the club in all too many of the recent seasons. I am grateful Rovers now look like a football club in senior management. Sure not of the calibre of Williams Finn and Hughes but what we have now is a blessed relief compared with the rest of this decade. I am also grateful that I no longer shame for being a Rovers fan and can feel genuine optimism and excitement about approaching games and for the future of the club. Mowbray is the football boss and just as the criticism stops on his desk so should the recognition praise and thanks for us being in a better place now, a much better place in reality, than I think any of us could have realistically forecast when he first walked into Ewood.

Yeah, Wharton’s dined off a couple! As an aside, tiny bit surprised Travis isn’t in the England under 21 squad. He can’t be too far off...although perhaps best he’s flying slightly under the radar for now.

Well they certainly could not play it at the Manchester Council stadium that your team play at if that is the criteria.

Somebody suggested that the Bolton v bury game scheduled for next Sunday should go ahead and be played at old Trafford with all fans turning up to show solidarity and the proceeds going to all the unpaid players and staff who have lost jobs and suffered through unpaid wages. i think that would be an excellent idea. Also would be a great opportunity to get banners and protest against the fa, efl, corrupt unfit owners and all the governing bodies ruining our beautiful game. Imagine a packed old Trafford with Bolton, bury, Blackpool, rovers, Coventry, Leyton orient, notts county etc and just football fans who care about our game that is slowly being destroyed. All of football united for all the world to see that we’ve had enough.

Bugger off and stop talking sense.