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  1. For all TM's 'steadying of the ship', he's the one that's going to sink it. The season after promotion was the one where he should have gone for it. Owners were 'enthusiastic', clean slate on the FFP cycle. Club/fans on a high after promotion...and he 'reined the owners in' - in favour of a slow build and loyalty to his squad.
    15 points
  2. All of which begs the question- why are you a fan of Mowbray's? You say it's not the manager's fault we have no money, but he is the one who wasted 12 million on two strikers that almost nobody thought we should be spending that much on, ignoring the defence and goalkeeper in the meantime, even after recouping 3 mill on the latter. The man who should take overall responsibility for our squad being threadbare is Tony Mowbray.
    14 points
  3. Maybe they've finally seen the light and being conned into keeping Smallwood and Hart on full pay for another month for doing nothing was the final straw. Neither perhaps do they want to top up Downing's pension pot for another 12 months for being a bit part player. (Well hopefully not anyway) If they want to save costs there's an obvious place to start.......fire off Mowbray, Lowe, Venus, Benson, and promote Damien Johnson and allow him to bring in his own assistant. Can't see what Waggott brings to the party either other than shielding Mowbray, does Greg Coar still work at the Club? On the pitch, everyone keeps telling me how good Evans supposedly is, so if that's the case, surely he'd fetch a decent fee and would represent a considerable wage saving. Ditto Bennett, he is absolutely indispensable in the manager's eyes so if he's half as good as the Mowbray thinks, there must be a queue of Clubs round the block who'd take him on for a modest outlay. Another huge wage saving. We're also paying Mulgrew a fortune to do nothing, a lot more has to be done to find a solution that will see him depart and save us some money. Let's have a bit of a spring clean and stop all this codswallop about "slow builds" from people who have no interest in that oncept from the point of view of success on the pitch but merely in hanging on to their positions for as long as possible from a financial perspective. Let's try to do as well as we possibly can for every possible minute of every possible game instead of aiming for marginal pregression and see how far that takes us. If finances dictate that we need to promote youth and give them a proper chance as opposed to cameo roles or emergency appearances as a result of an injury crisis whilst underperforming senior players receive contract extension after contract extension like sweeties then fine I can live with that. I could even buy into being relegated with a very young side that was clearly improving and had huge potential. However I can't buy i the current shambles of protecting underperforming players and spending a fortune to loan in others just to limp in in mid table season after season and then end up back at square one every 12 months whilst our few better players depart to cover costs. If Venky's are making a decision prompted by the financial crisis, it may actually long term be the best decision they've made since promotion .....if they get it right. Mowbray is not the man to oversee it!
    13 points
  4. The video showed us exactly why Tony was never interested...
    13 points
  5. This is exactly what I feared and warned posters about who bought into Mowbray's slow build. You can't have the finances we have and spend what we have spent on players just to plod along in mid table. This summer was always going to be make or break, sadly it seems as though it is going to be break. I suspect that by the time Mowbray leaves Rovers the club won't be in any better a place than when he found it, in the last 2 years he has undone the good work he did previously. Promotion could have been a springboard for this club as the likes of Sheffield United, Bournemouth, Southampton & Norwich have shown in recent years. Sadly from Waggott and Mowbray there seemed to be no ambition to try and emulate these clubs. If either man had any honour about them then they would resign.
    12 points
  6. I'm really at a loss at those trying to give the management - all of them - a free pass on the keeper situation. There's plenty about this current situation that isn't altogether their fault. However the keeper situation which was manifesting itself before Raya left really is. No excuses it's about time some hands were held up ! It can still be rectified but it's the very worst time to be trying do it however a set up like ours with the money it costs and has had should not be in that situation. It's the kind of thing that you'd expect to happen just pre Jack Walker when we really didn't have an egg cup to piss in and injuries and age had decimated the tiny squad we had. It's nothing short of pathetic in this era they really need a rabbit out of a hat.
    11 points
  7. He's had £14+ million to spend on transfer fees without any pressure to sell anyone (and God only knows what our loan fees / wage contributions were for Cunningham, Palmer, Tosin, Reed and Walton). I despise the Venkys for turning our proud club into the utter shambles it is today - but they've backed Mowbray massively, financially. It's a bad job of his own making.
    11 points
  8. Please can we stop going on about FFP as though this is the issue here. It isn't. The issue here is a manager or club that saw fit to splurge what money we had on unnecessary signings that haven't delivered whilst repeatedly failing to address key areas. The issue here is clueless, disinterested owners who aren't fit to run a professional football club yet because they keep the lights on we are supposed to be grateful. All the FFP talk does is play right into their hands and provides a ready made excuse. There is no excuse for the situation we are in. FFP is almost certain to be frozen for the foreseeable. How can clubs comply with no income for 6 months? FFP does not prevent the signings of defenders and a goalkeeper. Our wage bill has already been slashed this summer to start with. The blame lies first in India for inadequate ownership and then with the manager and his cronyism for failing to do the bare minimum on recruitment in 3 years. The clock is ticking. I'm frankly disgusted by it all and it is panning out exactly as I predicted last summer when certain people were hailing loans as a brilliant way of doing business.
    9 points
  9. Any owner worth their salt would read that quote and think "Tony, you've spent £14m+ in 3+ years and your opinion is that Doncaster is going to be a tough game? Get my accountant on the phone, I need to know how much it'd cost to sack this knob immediately".
    8 points
  10. It’s why many people were getting frustrated at the prospect of a ‘slow build’ as we could see this was coming....
    8 points
  11. Yet when fans said that on here, you advised people ‘Mowbray has his way of playing and we should accept it’....
    8 points
  12. If we are potless I wouldn't be bothering with Downing any longer. In fact I wouldn't be bothering with Downing full stop.
    7 points
  13. So Northampton might very well come in with a bid for Wharton now. We aren't really in a position to sell him but we all know he'll be gone if the offer does come in
    7 points
  14. If this is true, I don't find this surprising at all. Could it be because they are winding down their interest in the club? Or is it because they no longer trust Mowbray? Two big money signings, as things stand, have failed terribly. Why would you trust a manager with that on his record with any more of your money
    7 points
  15. It was always going to happen anyway they threw in some money up top for Brereton after promotion. Along with an increase in revenue and the squad growing in value that was just about covered anyway. Gallagher isn't all it seems as the Raya money enabled that one. So it was like a 3 year plan or something of growing another team to sell off and recoup as much running costs again as possible. All the while building with youth and lower wage signings. Promotion or a genuine crack at the top 6 has NEVER really been on the agenda outside of just hoping we get a run together at the right time. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to see this it's all there in the general attitude of everybody and the approach to games in general. No urgency, plenty complacency and in Mowbray and co they have the perfect people running the show for this. They seem perfectly happy with the way things are and i think they'll hold firm on sales until next summer when prices might be more normal again unless and good bids come in of course. After all who would let their manager sell a rated young keeper on the cheap and put that towards a striker. One who he then plays wide and we face a situation of having NO senior keeper 12 months later ??? Just wouldn't happen if they gave the slightest f### !!
    7 points
  16. It honestly feels like Mowbray can't detach himself from certain ideas no matter the results. In his head Gallagher is the best right winger since sliced bread and Elliot Bennett is the second coming of Christ. He doesnt have any faith in academy products, see Raya and Nyambe and consistently harms their progression. Yet he has faith in his own youth purchases despite the fact that he is consistently poor at buying players, albeit two successes. And despite his cut throat attitude to certain players he rewards underperforming players with contract extensions. His record in the transfer market is the only reason you would need to sack him. But it doesnt stop there. He has finicially jepordised the club. Rovers do not get to spend 12 million on two strikers every year, more like a once per decade move. Not only did he waste the 12 million he has now sufficiently damaged the finances that we are struggling to attract anyone. And with the Venky clowns and that tosser Waggott behind him we truly are a leaderless club.
    6 points
  17. People have very short memories of Dack. He is THE best player in the championship. Losing Dack would be an absolute travesty he is unbelievable and unplayable and very consistent.
    6 points
  18. Mowbray gets such an easy ride for the profligate spending on Gallagher and Brereton. Then again, when you consider the club's reaction when one local journo dared to criticize Gallagher it's not surprising. Two baffling signings. One was a known quantity, as he already played here and did very little, and another was a massive punt for an unproven youngster. Premier League clubs can get away with gambles like Brereton but for £7m Rovers needed a player who could hit the ground running. Even if there is a player in there somewhere, I think Mowbray's man-management has left a lot to be desired and it's too late to save him from the £7m curse.
    6 points
  19. What a feckin desperate mess I think we are in. Bottom line. We are here in this position because IMO, we have a very poor CEO and football manager who both must take full responsibility, particularly for the £millions, IMO, squandered on transfer fees and wages and senseless contracts. As I posted earlier today, I think the picture is far darker than the one Kamy painted.
    6 points
  20. I'd sack him just for that. Pathetic.
    6 points
  21. Or you could play Wharton and you have a player available for the next 7-8 years at a far cheaper cost than paying a separate loan fee for someone every 12 months, and he will probably appreciate substantially in value as well. Won't happen. Far too obvious.
    6 points
  22. You've got big sheds but nobody is allowed in!
    6 points
  23. Agree with your summary. Scenario A and Mowbray should walk, as should Waggott. In that scenario, neither is valued by the owners and they are being expected do their jobs with both hands tied behind their backs. This is highly likely the correct scenario as Venkys have treated every manager with this kind of contempt. Some even worse. It’s almost inevitable that under these circumstances we will end up with people “happy” to operate in these circumstances. Without getting into a debate comparing their abilities and personalities, Kean, Bowyer, and evening Mowbray were/are never getting a better gig so why would they rock the boat. It was only when they fell out with fans (and possibly players) that things began to change. Tony is certainly the fans favourite of all of Venkys’ managers and he has a history of allowing the senior players a big say in how the team is run. No way will he have the same backlash. He holds the record of the worst post-war run of games of any Rovers manager. The response? A poll on here with about 90% negative rating until he won a couple of games and it went down to about 60%. Other than that? Nothing. And never, ever, any dissent in the ground. “He’s doing a good job under the circumstances”; “What do you expect when he has no money?”(cough, £12m, cough); “Who else is there?”. I’m not sure fans would even turn next season. They won’t be allowed in to begin with so if we are near the bottom then once fans are back any grumbling will be shouted down “get behind the lads”; “they need our support”; “get off Brereton’s back, it’s not his fault he cost £7m”. When fans are allowed in there will be no groups and no chanting or singing - presumably stewards will frogmarch non-compliant shouty fans out of the ground - wearing bio hazard suits and using cattle prods of course - so even less noise than before, let alone negative noise. As for accountability... to whom? Waggott? Nope Venkys? Nope Fans? Only on here, and only when the wind is blowing in the wrong direction. In the ground, “Tony, sort it out” is the kind of ‘abuse’ Mowbray is ‘subjected to’. At Rovers in 2020, Mowbray is accountable to Mowbray. That means getting his kids through university and ensuring a comfortable retirement. Nothing wrong with that, we’d all try to do the same. It’s just that football clubs require success. Success relative to their history and their fans’ expectations of course but... Venkys are allowing our history to be forgotten, while Mowbray and Waggott are busy dimming expectations by telling us what a small club we are and how we can’t compete with the big boys (like Brentford) and that we don’t have enough ‘committed’ fans. Meanwhile they “do the right thing by players” by handing out month-long extensions and operating a form-busting rotation policy and decrying naive youngsters (keeping the senior players onside and therefore the dressing room). And Scenario B - he does know his budget? Well, it’s entirely in his hands then and time is of the essence. So ? or get off the ?.
    6 points
  24. I went. It was very sad to watch.
    5 points
  25. Mowbray's had quite a bit of money to spend compared to every other manager since Kean. The onus is on him to wheel and deal in the way clubs like Brentford do. He's had a relatively easy ride so far in terms of who he's had to sell and who he's been able to bring in.
    5 points
  26. As an earlier poster alluded to, what is the point of billionaire owners if this is their strategy? Furthermore, we have posters such as @Paul Mani nailing their colours to the mast saying there is a budget yet Kamy (who definitely has a line into the club) suggesting the polar opposite. In regard to what the truth is, well, I know where my money would be. All hail the stagnation years fellas, regression is on it's way.
    5 points
  27. Let's be honest, it's a crap league and Mowbray is incredibly wasteful with money. Midtable is extremely plausible, with the right man in charge. Our Academy supported by a few shrewd signings would guarantee that. I just hate the idea of Mowbray leading that charge / Rovers settling for midtable mediocrity in the bloody Championship with billionaire owners. If that's their aim, why don't they just fuck off and let someone local take over? At least they'd allow the club to have some pride again and, hey, maybe even something resembling a professional internal structure. Just a thought.
    5 points
  28. £1 million fee for Goode. No doubt that's going to be a bargain. They wanted Wharton on loan. Surely we could have struck some deal with them involving him going there on loan and us signing Goode. Ya, things aren't GOOD here. Not good at all. Queue the "we weren't interested in him anyway" brigade. If Brentford were, the general rule of thumb these days is that we should have been, especially at that price.
    5 points
  29. Mowbray should have been sacked cos of these two signings,as for Venkys their failure to appoint a proper manager ever will be on their epitaph ...
    5 points
  30. Calling a professional footballer as talentless tells me Revidge doesn't play football. Any man here who plays the game will tell you that when you come across a player that level higher than you the difference is miles apart. My brag of the day: when I was younger I was mincing it about at Chasetown (I knew the dream was over) and played against a young Raheem Sterling, who at the time was at QPR. It was around 09 / 10 as I was just leaving school. He had a bad game and went off at half-time, but he was a couple of years younger and a lot smaller. You could tell he was going to be a good en though, the way he moved, picked the ball up and dribbled was just a cut ahead of everybody else. Later that year I played against Tranmere and came up against Max Power. If you'd have asked me then I'd have told you Max Power was going to play for England. He tore me a new one and it was me hoiked off just after half time. Point being you knew straight away that them two lads had more talent in their small toe than we did as a collective. And lo and behold there they are, earning thousands of pounds a week to play a game we play for free. There isn't a "talentless" professional footballer in existence.
    5 points
  31. Genuine question anyone - does Smallwood have more league minutes in goal than Fisher and Hilton? Has Fisher ever made a league appearance?
    4 points
  32. 4 points
  33. Come on Tyrone, I normally love reading your contributions but isn't this a little extreme? Reading the guy's comments there's stuff like: ... there are no easy games in football ... they'll come with a game-plan, they have good individuals and we'll have to take our chances against them ... it's preparation for this season ... seeing it is as an opportunity to blood some young players There's nothing defeatist there just respect between managers. If the game is tough for us then it's likely to be because we're taking a look at several kids before the season starts to see if they've got what it takes. Also how many recent losses are down to us not converting our chances? Lots. He's not saying anything we wouldn't. I'm getting a bit tetchy with the constant Mowbray out stuff. What's he supposed to say that will get a favourable response other than I'm leaving. The team has holes in it I contend this is not his fault. He saw the chance to onboard some great young prospects for a lot of money knowing we already have the likes of Dack Cunningham and Tosin in the team. Not his fault two were then crocked for most of the season. Tosin is a great player that we couldn't afford but Mowbray somehow landed him on loan. I don't see he did a lot wrong. Raya was constantly being pilloried for his errors/distribution. Walton was a reasonable stopgap until this years transfer funds came around to buy a proper keeper. The world falls off a cliff. The transfer budget disappears. If clubs won't sell we can't buy! IMO he's making the best of a bad job. Just because he's a decent guy who says respectful things about the opposition doesn't mean he's a surrender monkey.
    4 points
  34. Jesus, no wonder we lost !
    4 points
  35. So you would be happy with Wharton, Lenihan and Williams? I wouldn't.
    4 points
  36. I think he knows. He knows its £0 (or more likely £5m- )
    4 points
  37. 4 points
  38. This is PRECISELY why sticking with Mowbray and his mythical slow build was the wrong course to take, and why he needed to be replaced it was too late. Promotion was, is, and must be the aim. Anything else will relegate us. Presumably some people would be okay with this? They had the chance to bring in Warnock 4 years ago, long after the so-called ‘mistakes’ and instead went with Coyle, which made Mowbray seem like a huge upgrade. They don’t have a clucking fue what it takes but will gladly pay nice men who don’t complain to run it for them. “At least they are still paying the bills” FOV
    4 points
  39. We should have thanked him for getting us promoted and then showed him the door. Enthusiasm for the club was on a high and we were well placed to attempt a serious push for promotion. Instead he's managed to dissipate that feel good feeling and blow whatever chances of serious advancement we have with this ludicrous " slow build " concept of football management. It was obvious at the time to those with eyes that see that he wasn't the man to take us any further. You've got to be ruthless to succeed in pro football.
    4 points
  40. Our under23’s are competing with the best in the country just a shame the wrong manager is in charge to get the best out of them.
    4 points
  41. Neither. All part of the grow to sell plan put in place after the audits. Covid has forced the issue somewhat but to be fair they are looking at a season costing about 25 million to run with possibly little or no income at all. It's going beyond just underwriting the loses it's carrying the entire thing and they won't be alone in that in football. We are going to have to lump it. Still doesn't alter the fact we shouldn't be in a position of having no proper keepers and 12 million of non scoring strikers. All that lays at one door only.
    4 points
  42. For those advocating just diving into the season and installing one of the kids between the sticks just think back to the season Bowyer started Raya for 4 or 5 games. Think back to Jake Kean as well, both of those were highly thought of and neither worked out properly being thrown straight in. The lads we are talking about now have sod all experience compared to even those two like for like. It's asking for trouble but clearly shows they are not bothered where this season ends if they take that risk, it's all about the pennies.
    4 points
  43. With a name like Max Power, he was always destined to make it.
    4 points
  44. If you tap his name in Google....... You must have gone through his stats with a fine tooth comb before suggesting him...?
    4 points
  45. This season is a golden opportunity for a side or two from mid table to get promoted. No big money being spent, no giant club with huge squad, relegated sides all in transition and under new management. Shame because after a couple of steady mid table finishes we should be set now for an assault. We know where the weak points are and these could be addressed relatively cheaply and easily with a couple of steady eddie defenders and a keeper, along with a manager ready to draw it all together. Instead bumbling along wasting the opportunity we have playing games with recruitment and hamstrung from India.
    4 points
  46. He's done a decent job overall. He's made small gains year on year and brought back some integrity to the office after a string of disasters. Its only fair to mention his transfer successes alongside the money he has wasted. I also think he seems like a nice chap. He has made errors and I think he has taken the team as far as he can, but I can still be a fan of the bloke despite that. Everything doesn't have to be black and white.
    3 points
  47. I would have thought the " Platt money " would have bought the lads a round of drinks.
    3 points
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