Looks like the training match was today - hope all went well.

David Dunn thinks about David Dunn nothing else he was a good player for us in the rare spells he was ever fit. He flounced off to Brum thinking he was the dogs whatsits because Souness was always on his case for being a piss artist. Flopped there and was very lucky and no doubt greatfull to end up back here. The 'Blackburn' lad tag has carried him a long way and iv'e no doubt he loves the club. He doesn't however speak for thousands of fans and never has. And no way does he have what it takes to be manager here ever, that would be another huge step backwards. Sorry Dunny, stay in your lane.

He should just be concentrating on Barrow. In my view he still sees himself as a future Rovers manager. Keeping sweet with the owners gives him a chance given their liking of people sucking up to them.

What I can't really stand is 'celebrities' or ex-players/staff members telling the general support base what we should and shouldn't think about Venkys. For example Dunn - the reality, however you want to spin it, is that he was on the club payroll for a large part of the Venky era, first as a senior player, then as a coach and u23 assistant, and there's no doubt at all that his status will ensure he is at the front of the queue in future if he needs a job here. So he might be a 'legend' or respected former player, but the reality remains that he has had a living out of Rovers for much of the last decade of destruction, and i'd even suggest that has in part been enabled by the destruction wreaked - if we had remained a top flight club or properly run I doubt he would have been able to carry on playing as long as he did and further doubt he'd have ended up as first team coach. I've got no personal gripe with him but his position as a paid up staff member is infinitely different to that of working fans who have had to cough up their dosh for the last decade to support it all and watch the misery unfold. Perhaps before rolling out the red carpet and speaking on behalf of thousands of fans who have been put through it he should think about that.

Hello Rovers fans We're looking for your nostalgic photo and video content to help us tell the Blackburn story in the 1990s for a BBC 2 documentary. I work for Story Films and we are making a series about the history of the Premier League in the 1990s - naturally one of the major stories will be the Blackburn Renaissance under the stewardship of Jack Walker. I've been scouring the archives of ITV, the BBC and Sky but what I'm still missing is more content shot by fans around that time (let's say 91-96) to help capture the mood amongst fans and the whole town. **What sorts of things are we looking for?** Any old VHS tapes you may have been keeping where you shot your friends or family at the climax of the 94-95 season, including the celebrations General shots of Ewood Park before or after rebuild. Photos of school kids with the Premier League trophy (they toured it around local schools after the win) Interactions with players - photo or video - perhaps you met them in a local nightclub or they opened your school fete or local co-op. Ditto for Dalglish and Walker. Well shot footage of the town itself in the 1990s could also be of use. We are also interested in Walkersteel - photos and footage- which is so far missing from the news sources. Anything used in the series will be legally licensed from you, including potentially a small licensing fee to the copyright holders or assistance with transferring items of special interest. Email me: nickg@storyfilms.tv Nick Gilbert

So why does this keep coming up? Because the "scab" has formed over a dirty wound. This was a very deep wound and the healing process has been hindered by dishonesty and successful attempts to silence full and open discussion. A look across messageboards and facebook will show anyone that it remains poisonous. There is still too much secrecy, half-truth/partial disclosure. Personally, I felt a bit sick when Nelsen and Samba trumpeted their partial revelations a "convenient" ten years after the events. And I wasn't impressed by Nick Harris' minimalist podcast either. Too much about Harris and too little about the machinations, which he claims he knows about. Members of the same "football" family were at each others' throats because some had a little knowledge and were closed down. Others had no knowledge, merely loyalty to their club. If you did not read BRFCS in 2011, where would you get the information?-The LT, Radio Lancs?...Don't make me laugh.....

Be an absolute disaster if Nyambe left on a free. He’s worth a couple of million as it is and he’s only going to get better.

Your entitled to your opinion David Dunn. But please don't preach to long standing supporters of this Club who have been genuinely dismayed and hurt at the collapse of this great old institution under THEIR tenure.The last ten years have been horrible and embarrassing,the animosity runs deep. Concentrate on Barrow and gorging into that bucket of Venky Express fella..Mmmmm

I see they've started repeating some of the old " Play For Today ". Tonight it's " The Black Stuff ". The stand alone play that started off the fantastic " The Boys From The Black Stuff " mini series.

Club owners that have done the absolute minimum expected of them, after completely ruining things for years after listening to the wrong people time and again, then being too stubborn to change their ways or admit they were ever wrong. Yep, sounds like that’s who we should be grateful to....

‘Get Real’ 2020 edition... https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/18876240.david-dunn-venkys-commitment-cant-questioned/

Jeez that was a heavy challenge at 3:12 What the hell was the fella playing at. A second tier friendly and throwing that around

i remember this one with fondness,went on the train with 4 mates,we spent the majority of the game taking the **** out of a newcastle fan and his monstrously large girlfriend who were stood on the other side of the segregation fence,she looked like giant haystacks(the wrestler) in a white mini dress,they both took some fearful stick, from everyone around us,not just from us,even the police were grinning ,bearing in mind she was about 20 stone,in a mini dress in the middle of a north east winter

Watching Namibia v Mali and it doesn't look like Ryan (number 22) is playing. Mali are leading 1-0 and at least look like they have met each other before the game which cannot be said about Namibia. A horrendous pass by the Namibian left back lead to the goal which the keeper stood and watched go past him at his near post. Mali could easily be three up had shots been on target and not narrowly wide. The Mali physio is something else. Player goes down with a foot injury and this body builder comes on and yanks the foot around through 360 degrees in both directions...

What a beautiful sight

There has always been an anti-England sentiment on here. It's a Rovers board so I understand that the national team isn't topic number 1. I am an eternal optimist when it comes to England, which never works out as the one consistency is that they always disappoint. Which is why I don't understand the negativity. Comparing team from different times is nigh on impossible but post WWII England teams are remarkably similar. Cases of arrogance, bad luck, and stupidity reign. 1950's - little Englanders at the FA thought that they were the best team in the world. They weren't. 1960's - winners in 1966. Caveats; the tournament was played at home. Pele got kicked to pieces and limped out of the tournament early. 1970's - unlucky at Mexico '70 but it signaled the end of an era. Failed to qualify for '74 and '78 despite a strong Division 1 (Leeds, Liverpool, Derby, Forest) all won in Europe). 1980's - mediocre. Odd knockout rules cost the Spain '82 team. Maradona's genius/cheating ended Mexico '86. 1990's - Up and down. Unlucky at Italia '90. Missed out on USA '94. Cut off at the knees at France '98. 2000's - the "golden generation" had a chance and blew it. Losing to 10 man Brazil in '02, and Rooney's daft sending off in '06. 2010's - Awful start, good end. 2020's - Looks promising but need to be able to beat the big boys.

I think we’ve got a little bit too “needy”. David Bowie - The Man Who Sold The World

The FA wanted the (relatively) cheap and easy option after spending fortunes on the likes of Capello and then a controversial character like Allardyce. Southgate would also support ‘the pathway’ from the youth squads, justifies St George’s Park etc. It was obviously not because he was a top coach/manager.

And the other umpteen times he has dropped him?

I must have deleted it by mistake but for completing that set it was simply put as Coyle = C@nt

I accept that it doesn't achieve anything to dredge up the memories of 2010 onwards but it is difficult not to and I don't think we should ever forget it. At best it was criminal mismanagement and negligence that could and may yet still be the end of Blackburn Rovers. Whilst it didn't result in a Portsmouth style bankruptcy and owners skipping off into the sunset leaving us in strife the fact remains that we are up to our eyeballs in massive losses and dependency on these owners, the very people responsible for this mess. I don't think these owners feel guilty or responsible for the mess they created, or are serious about making amends. I think they are stubborn and see an exit as weakness or admission of failure - two things that are intolerable to people of their position and the costs of keeping the club on a drip each year in the faint hope something changes for the better is preferable to writing off their losses and disappearing with tails between legs. It feels like yesterday when this sorry saga began to unfold. I remember hearing of Allardyce's sacking so clearly and remember thinking that it was a bold and potentially reckless move but respected that new owners often want their own man in and I maintain to this day that in isolation the sacking of Allardyce didn't have to be a catastrophe. For a club in our position Allardyce was the ideal man for us and we'd have always survived under him. He didn't deserve the sack. But at the same time new owners and investors have the right to appoint their own team and had a competent replacement been lined up there's no reason why the club couldn't have progressed under different management. It wasn't Allardyce or bust, but Allardyce was ideal and his replacement would have needed to be a big name and expensive to better him. I still hope one day that we find out the real truth of how it came about. I just want the answers as it will help in my mind as to culpability. For example, was the Kean manager appointment wrapped up and agreed with the Indians prior to takeover, or was it something that Kean wormed his way into quickly after he and his mate realised how clueless they were and Kean set about smooth talking Mrs Desai? Anderson - another strange one - why would he put his professional reputation in danger by wrecking Rovers? He had everything set up to his advantage - contract to run the club, ability to spend the owners funds - why set the club on a trajectory to ruin by installing his mate as manager and keeping him in place? Longer term surely his interests were better served by making recruitment and management of the club as strong as possible, enhancing his reputation, rather than the stigma and problems he had at Rovers. I never cease to be amazed by those who stick resolutely to this belief that it is Venkys or bust. Of course if they turned their investment off overnight the club would be in a mess. Welcome to the real world. Every club is in the same boat. Since we entered the Championship in 2012 there have been takeovers at Leeds x2, Huddersfield, Barnsley, Sheff Wed, Derby, Forest x 2, Leicester, West Brom, Wolves, Birmingham, Villa, Wigan, Bolton, Watford, Reading. Was the Walker Trust model sustainable? Possibly not. There's only so far you can get with disinterested owners as we are seeing here today. Under Allardyce and even the later days of Hughes we were in a zombie like state of just ensuring enough was done to avoid relegation. Now we are in a similar rudderless era just a division below with horrific annual losses to go with it. We're probably doing quite well in some respects as we are now at about 15 years in a row of having either unwilling owners looking to get shut and stop spending or clueless perhaps dodgy owners with absolutely no interest or understanding of what they are dealing with. I doubt there are many other clubs at this sort of level that can 'boast' such a prolonged spell of disinterest, reluctance or cluelessness and have anything to show for it. Maybe one day we will have someone in control who has passion for the club and genuinely wants it to grow, prosper, improve - see Andy Holt at Accy - rather than just plod along all the while the club decays and fanbase dwindles. There's no room in football for corner cutters or reluctant owners - only those who want to be here and want to be successful will get anywhere. Venkys might think that signing off the cheques every month and meeting Tony at their place a couple of times a year represents interest. I do recognise that Venkys financial input at present does put us into a position where we can recruit and retain at a level the club couldn't on its own steam or with corner shop owners like other local clubs have. But the most frustrating part is that for their level of investment we should be the envy of clubs at this level with a quality squad, top management team, lovely stadium, yet so much is missing through neglect and corner cutting that their investment doesn't get them where they and we need to be.

Stuart,let me make this clear it was Venkys and the 'chancers' who were responsible for a fractured supporter base NOT the protesters. Those who stood up and had the balls to protest are indeed the reason this Club is still here.

I agree that it’s pretty unhelpful to keep picking at this scab. I can’t believe it’s been 10 years of this lot being here though. There’s hardly a decade of highlights to look back on. That said, I do get quite upset at the idea that the efforts of Glen et al, and the few hundred protesters, are somehow responsible for a fractured fanbase. Not enough people would stand against Kean, let alone put pressure on Venkys, and the vast majority did nothing. Should this minority have simply stood with the majority and supported Kean and what he was doing? Would that have helped? Would that have avoided the fanbase being fractured? And would the fanbase not being fractured have kept us up? Because it was ultimately relegation that halved the fanbase (plastics who were only here to watch PL football on the cheap jumping ship), and it was Venkys sticking by their nice man thereafter that made the silent protesters walk away, most of them never to return. (The fact they didn’t help with protests is the most unforgivable part). Once the destruction began, a fractured fanbase was inevitable. I really really wish there had been a sizeable majority who would have fought for the club. We could have made a huge statement walking from the town hall to Ewood. It really was very very little to ask of fans to show their displeasure on a large scale. 10,000 fans walking down Bolton Road would have been a statement but ended up being about 300, with major apathy and another 300 milling around the ground in the “fanzone”. It would have made a difference. Instead it handed Kean the opportunity to call us “the 1%” and say that 99% of fans were behind him and could “see what he was trying to do”. The irony being that they absolutely couldn’t - and didn’t want to. It was too little too late, but when Ewood finally turned (in a big way) at the end of the Wigan game when we were relegated, that was the moment there should have been a change. It didn’t happen. That was when it was confirmed that Venkys valued Kean more than the fans. Naive my arse. It was pure arrogance and petulance from the children of a rich entrepreneur (sounds familiar) - ‘who do these ungrateful people think they are to question us?’ The offspring off rich people should never be asked to maintain their parent’s passion unless they absolutely share that passion - especially where football clubs and their communities are at stake.

Fake/citezenship/ passports - Formica, a recipe in Italy. Hidden work permits in drawers at Ewood - Shaw/Agnew - leaving rovers with a decimated medical team - whilst they played King of the castle. Kean's contract written by himself, with ludicrous bonus and a hefty personal loan off rovers for himself Kentaro massive business associate in Venkys pharmaceutical business (this has always bugged me, that relationship of the people who were in Kentaro continues) Yet its still laid out they were naive. Anderson a snake and well out of the picture, but he was never the pied piper, he was just allowed to be one of many lunatics in the asylum. It goes much deeper than him and not on these shores. Why did they get away with it and there will be no retribution? Simple Kentaro were one of the FA's biggest Financial partner/sponsor, with their support massive with our own national team. 95% of gagging orders were issued by our own FA as they knew this was much bigger than Blackburn rovers, and would have had lasting damaging implications to the administration who govern our english game. Regardless of the current climate, £100 million plus later spent, the day they darkened our door, was the day the heart was ripped out of the club. Whatever the future holds, the club will never have that beating heart of being the pillar of our community as long as they own this club. Many say we should forgive, be grateful, we would be no more without them etc. I'D RATHER PUT PINS IN MY EYES

Well Louie played the full 90 as Gibraltar drew 1-1 with Liechtenstein to secure promotion to League C. Looked pretty assured during the game and made a few dangerous headers when in attacking positions which just didn't come off as teammates were in the wrong positions. Should really have had an assist for a Kian Ronan goal but it was ruled out for a narrow offside. He'll get much better experience next season in League C where he'll potentially end up facing the likes of Northern Ireland, if they can't escape relegation. Hopefully by then he'll be in the Blackburn first team.

Just what the doctor ordered ?. He's back on the bike now and he can't be treated with kid gloves.

Haha..Sounds like the one about the police stopping a tramp in Beverley Hills, only to realise it was Bob Dylan....

Despite being a footballers' agent he was no expert on football - he negotiated a £9k bonus for Dave Beasant for every goal he scored unaware that he was a goalkeeper.

The Waterboys - The Whole Of The moon

He got clattered a few times, didn't look a very friendly friendly! Seemed to be walking freely at the end of the game though and good to see some of his team mates there on the sidelines in support ?

The Pixies - Waiting For My Man

An absolute classic. We watched Abigail's Party the other week, and then Just a Boy's Game. I had forgotten that Frankie Miller was in that!

David Morales - Needin U

Paul Van Dyk - For An Angel (Love the club mix mixed with Rachel McFarlane's 'Lover')

That was my first game. I was on the Blackburn end with my mum, I was hooked.

Yeah, agree he seems like a nice lad to be fair, however, this isn't Season 1, it's Season 20! Anyone who signs up for this who's from the UK certainly know what they're signing up for. Rule No.1, on your interview before it starts, don't mention what you're really scared of as this guarantees you'll end up being picked for a trial involving them. "So Windy, what fighten's you most?" "Beer & pork scratchings - Terrified of them!" ?

Given the outbreak at Brockhall the Irish might be saying the opposite

‘Blackburn’.

Ok, wasn't quite sure whether to put this in here or the main football forum, but, did anyone watch I'm a celeb tonight? If u didn't, get it on catch up. That DJ, Jordan North is on it & he's a proper Dingle - born, bred, fan, 6 fingers....the lot! Anyway, I won't spoil it, but watch his trial. Afterwards, even Ant & Dec were taking the piss out of the unwashed from't Turd! ? Don't wait to see it on YouTube as I doubt they'll keep their comments on & just show the trial & they're the best bits (for any Rover anyway!)

That place is now a Co-op.....how can a great pub like that go under/

You should have been in the Bulls Head, Wilpshire later that night. It was carnage with the Rovers' lads - went on well into the small hours with the doors firmly locked! It was then a Duttons Grill Room managed by a guy called Harry D who was a big Rovers' fan - Kendall and Heaton spent a lot of time in there.

Fisher needed to move on to get first team football. Good luck to the lad.

First time I ever encountered skinheads was when Leicester played at Ewood about 1968. I also have a vague recollection of standing on the BE around that time when we played Sheff Wed. This was in the days of 'mingling' on the terraces. Their 'lads' were all fashionably attired in Crombies and carrying neatly furled black umbrellas. We all thought they were a bit of a laugh until, at some given signal presumably, they started lamping everyone in sight with their brollies and it all kicked off.

The goalkeeper Brooks has played 7 League games for Rovers over two spells, keeping 7 clean sheets in 6 wins. Last season she was at Birmingham City who are in the WSL playing behind Hannah Hampton who is regarded as one of the best English keepers although the ones playing for City & Utd (Roebuck & Earps) tend to get more attention. A lot of the Rovers team have histories with either Liverpool or Everton Academies (& a player on loan from Man Utd) so not surprising they would have wanted to make a point today. Today was a huge result because a lot of the team are new to the Club, young & still learning how to play with each other. That we have taken a point off a full-time team that was in the WSL last season (& beat us 8-0 in a Cup last season) is a big step forward. Yes we had to ride our luck at times but this team can continue to get better over the season. It was frustrating when the goal wasn't given so that we could have a free kick but to be fair I think the keeper had stopped playing because the whistle had blown.

It's highly likely that a large number of those doing the berating now have no interest in the club

To be honest I wish this thread had never materialised...it brings back such angst and pain it's untrue.The supporter base ended up fractured and decimated like never before as a consequence. At the time the feeling was one of ever increasing helplessness and isolation as the Club was dragged backwards through the mud and humiliated.Our intelligence being insulted as: •Singh telling the attending fans at the King George's Hall seminar to 'shut up and listen' to his clueless diatribe. •Keane openly goading the travelling supporters at Wigan. •Protesting fans having the piss taken out of them by sections of the football media. •Listening to our new owners admit to being 'confused' Our famous old club reduced to an absolute Circus that I will never forget nor forgive.

This. Glen and the team were superb in the way they handled it and took a huge amount of unfounded undeserved flak from other supporters.

“Naive” and “Badly advised”... No doubt both of these things are true, but I’d say it’s also pretty indisputable they have also displayed massive amounts of arrogance and incompetence. Ignoring that and blaming everything on Jerome Anderson and absolving Venky’s is ridiculous. Apparently he was persona non grata when Coyle was appointed... although join the dots with the agents of all their managerial appointments since Bowyer and it’s apparent that the “lessons have been learned” line isn’t true. Like Glen and Philip have touched on, there’s nothing much new there for us, and plenty more that could have been said, but obviously it’s for the wider audience.

It’s only in Kirkham - he should be able to manage it.