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  1. Didn't really know the thread to stick this in. Some of you may know I run an account on Twitter called RoversAnalytics. Well as I posted there earlier today, I've taken a role at SPL side Heart of Midlothian in the 1st team recruitment department and will have to step away from running that account. I will also have to take a step away from posting on the board also. Thanks to anyone who supported that channel and enjoyed the stuff. Data isn't/wasn't for everyone and that's understandable, but I hope I at least created some conversation regarding it! 🙂
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  2. This is nothing new under Mowbray. 1 defeat in 8 could easily be followed by 1 win in 8. Whether we’re in the middle of the former or the latter run my opinions of him don’t change. He is not good enough to manage rovers.
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  3. If they were dark days what on earth do you call the last 10 years since he left?!
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  4. I know little about the Issa brothers but you do NOT have to be a fan of a club to own and run it well. You have to have business sense coupled with an understanding of the demographics of the town and surrounding areas, a willingness to engage with fans and those who have the best interests of the area at heart, and a desire to learn fast to get the best you can. A successful football club brings benefits to the town. Shops round Ewood pick up trade. The whole wider area benefits. I remember moaning about Newcastle fans taking over Clitheroe when we played them, but it brought trade to the town when they came here for pre match drinks. Owners who are fans is a nice idea but let's get good owners first then let them fall in love.
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  5. Whilst your maths is clearly correct I am firmly of the other view. Say we broke even at 10,000 fans selling tickets at £20 or £30. (Though we would clearly gain extra fans) Mum or dad brings their young children. Of those extra fans, how many pies, cokes, hotdogs, burgers, scarfs, programmes*, autograph books would they sell... not to mention the alcohol for the parents. It's the short sightedness of ticket sales alone which is what makes Waggott a fucking pleb. Biggest mistake my dad ever made was allowing me and my sister to tag along with him and my uncle to a Rovers game when I was 7... dad wasn't even a fan, just wanted something to do that day and no other team was an option. I was hooked from that day and we've had a season ticket ever since, spending £10 every match day. (30 years basically). Not to mention the calenders, shirts, bedding, clocks, etc I've begged to own. You think my dad would have spent an additional £60* taking his two children to a Rovers game with Waggott Tax? Cheaper tickets = More (young) fans. More young fans = more food, drink, merchandise sold. Young fans get hooked, fall in love, and beg to come back... spend money. Or we have Plan B. Charge £30.
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  6. The more I think about how Butterworth didn't even get on the pitch, the more pissed off I get. I mean what kind of message does it put out to our youngsters that you can be scintillating on Tuesday but not even get off the bench on Saturday? Instead, the lad you replaced on the Tuesday, who we don't own and has done nothing so far, comes on instead of you!
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  7. It doesn't matter how many interviews Waggot gives. He is still a liar
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  8. Clarkson before butterworth is criminal
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  9. Here's my frustration with Mowbray. The pragmatic 'defend first' and counter approach means we are picking up points in games where we wouldn't have last year. We are clearly a goalscorer short of really benefitting from this approach. Last year we had one. A more suited to counter attacking striker you'd struggle to find. Set the team up this way last year and I bet we finish a damn sight higher. His stubbornness is often to the detriment of the team.
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  10. I have only been to Cardiff once, did it piss down! All in all it was a reet good weekend. I had money and stayed at the Hilton.....Souness and the team brought the cup back that night. I think I got drunk! Head to head: W 26 D 22 L24 - close. First game at Ewood 02/01/1922 lost 1-3. Most recent, at Cardiff April 21: 2-2. Only club, not from England, to have won the FA Cup - 1927. Recent players to have played for both clubs, Rudy Gestede and Junior Hoilette. Little known fact, Rudy shares my birthday (10/10). Eight games played, Rovers giddy in sixth, 13 points, Cardiff tenth, 11 points. TM needs to feck off, but on the basis it won't happen in the next week, he will no doubt "shuffle the pack" yet again. I predict a riot, but no idea about the score. DO NOT GO GENTLE INTO THAT GOOD NIGHT....Dylan Marlais Thomas (before you all shout he was born in Swansea....he's still Welsh), a sombre poem at best....sums up the fact we should all pull together to hope at some point the Loons depart and we can rise again. Here's to a win. COYB'S.........
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  11. Losing Lenihan, Nyambe, Brereton and Rothwell on a free is a disaster. I can handle Rothwell leaving. Brereton is a financial disaster to spend 7 million on and let go just as he starts semi producing and is still only 22/23 years old.
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  12. Holy hell. Just as I was starting to calm down about the woes of the summer and then this comes along. Call me a cynic but I reckon he's been waiting until we had a few good results or were in a decent position before agreeing to do this interview. Every time I listen to this bloke the less I believe him and the less I trust him. Surely I cannot be alone in thinking the sums don't add up in relation to the out of contract players? In particular the likes of Lenihan, Brereton and Nyambe? I mean even if we just imagine what they would cost in the market to replace, and that's before the millions in value and transfer fees we will miss out on and they leave for nothing. Does Waggott ever get challenged on this or is he just left free to bleat on about our wage structure and not breaking it? I also find it quite insulting that our £300,000 a year CEO comes along telling us we cannot afford to do x, y, z when he is raking in such a massive salary to fail to get things done. Then there's the usual excuses. Normally the CEO would take responsibility for poor performance or failure yet this bloke just has his excuses down to a fine art and is allowed to churn them out. Collapsing attendances - not his fault Poor commercial performance - not his fault Failing to get transfers over the line - not his fault I see there is mention of the 1875 club making a comeback. Apparently this will enable discounts on tickets, but as far as I can recall when it was last in operation there was minimal benefit to regular supporters and no discounts. It was £10 a year and ensured priority on away tickets and exemption from the Waggott tax, but not discounts. I think this is just another money grabbing exercise. Fans won't even get a full season out of it because it is being introduced late. I think the most interesting line from his interview was this: "and get to a balanced position of having an affordable and competitive squad, funded by the revenue of the support base and other commercial sponsors.” No mention of the owners providing capital to strengthen the squad. Pipe dreams of us assembling a competitive Championship club on our revenues. I wonder if this is Waggott's selling point to the owners - leave it to me and I'll cut costs back to the point where you don't need to put cash in - or if it is the case the owners have told him there's no more money and he's let the cat out of the bag.
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  13. The min he gets to India they are coming back with new 3 or 4 year manager and CEO deals mark my words. That will be item one on the agenda. And anybody who thinks Mr and Mrs D don't still make the big final financial decisions think again. We are about to embark on another 4 season mid table journey that ends in Tony and Steves pensions and sales opf the young players we are nurturing now. That's the future and there isn't a top 6 ambition in sight.
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  14. I genuinely cannot understand why anyone would not want to replace Mowbray. He's spent 4 seasons going absolutely nowhere. If people are happy with at best mid-table mediocrity, then fine, fill your boots. I'd rather we showed some ambition and took a chance on someone new, who can engage, inspire, and show a modicum of ambition. A few early season games changes nothing. He needs to go, and the sooner the better.
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  15. When the Venkys took over if you’d have said to a Burnley fan you have to deliberately destroy Blackburn Rovers in 10 years. Put them into to a worst position than before Jack Walker, decimate the fanbase, whilst simultaneously spending £200 million to do so. There’s no one in that town with the cunning to have done so deliberately. It’s impossible. Just simply impossible. Yet this is our reality and the Venkys have managed to do it while allegedly doing their best. The most insulting point is we’re somehow still expected to be grateful for this turn of events as it could be worse. WORSE. It’s all just unfathomable to me.
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  16. Chaddy, you seem to make the mistake of thinking that our playing staff or management should share the same blind faith, sentiment and loyalty towards Rovers as the fans. Crikey, you even did it with Obafemi to an extent... berating him for not jumping in to a move with both feet. Allardyce' relationship with Rovers (and probably any of his employers) is purely business. He was brought in to keep the club in the PL and keep the TV money coming in - in exchange he was probably paid well. His final transfer window (Summer 2010), following a 10th placed finish saw him spend not a single penny in transfer fees, having to rely on the signings of Benjani on a free and Mame Biram Diouf on loan. In fact, in 09/10 and 10/11 (Kean January signings apart), Rovers were the third lowest spenders in the PL (and yes, I'm including relegated teams from both seasons). The likes of Burnley, Hull and WBA all spent at least one of those seasons in the Championship and still outspent us. Wigan spent £27m in those two seasons, Stoke £42m, Sunderland £67m, Wolves £35m, Hull and Burnley spent £18m.... we spent £11m - we finished above every single one of them in 09/10. The purse strings were tied shut - none of the Walkers liked football, none of them wanted Rovers, none of them had any ambition for the club and Allardyce was their way of spending nothing and keeping the cash coming in. Excuse him for considering alternative employment that would have meant far less work and far more money to live out in Dubai - a place we know he loves. A lot of his detractors told us that the problem wasn't sacking Allardyce, it was the appointment of Kean.... but I can't think of too many managers that could have outperformed or even matched his performance with no money. Suggestions at the time were O'Neill (spent £92m at Villa the two seasons before his sacking... finished 6th both seasons), Holloway (FFS), Martin Jol (spent £25m in two seasons at Fulham and finished 9th and 12th respectively) and COYLE 😂 Oh and finally, here are the thoughts of two of Rovers' senior players regards Venky's decision to sack him. "I am devastated for Sam, he had an absolutely fantastic relationship with all of the players. Everyone respected him. He took the club out of the doldrums really. We were in massive trouble with no money. He solidified us and put us into a top-10 position, and again he did it on a shoe-string. I'm just getting over the shock of it. We've got to get over it, but at the moment I want to say, and I can speak for nearly all the players I'm sure, that they will be devastated. He was a very likeable character." Ryan Nelsen “I am not going to lie. I was horrified. I was captain and a big figure at the club. When you look at the budget table, we were probably close to the bottom. We were overachieving. Sometimes it was not the prettiest football but I don’t care as long as we win. There had been some whispers at the club about Sam leaving. It was very disappointing for most of the dressing room." Chris Samba
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  17. How many other teams in this league are situated in one of the most economically deprived areas in the country . Have a catchment population of a maximum of 140000 with large sections of that population supporting Liverpool or Man Utd. Yet our senior management after a Covid epidemic decide to hike up prices again and charge extra for entrance on the day. We can never be criticised for our support or as a club our achievements. To use the adage we are lions led by donkeys. To complete this Jack built a stadium to match his dreams so don’t use the 20000 empty seat ms as a stick to beat us . If those in charge had lived up to the dream it would have been a success
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  18. Secure in the PL, winning football matches. Aye, dark days indeed.
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  19. What would you change?...where the hell do you start! 1.Ask our owners,who have not attended a home game in years btw,to re-engage with the Supporter base expressing their desires and expectations as to what they expect in return for their Philanthropy.If they no longer have any desire and passion to be connected with this Club then put it up for sale and sell to prospective new owners who will give a damn and move this stagnant situation forward for the benefit of all concerned.We are simply going nowhere at present,a rudderless ship in a sea of shyte. 2. Employ a CEO with vision and an understanding of the Towns various demographics.Seriously,is it a wise move to charge £30+ in an area classed as one of the most poorest in England and then on the back of a Pandemic that has hit hard..what is the thought process in that?.He didn't get everything right but oh Lord for the days of a certain John Williams. 3.Employ a Manager who is able to get the very best from his side.A manager who does not speak to the fans like they are idiots (i don't look at the table bull) and wants to see us back in the top flight.It's been achieved by smaller clubs than us with a lesser budget.We are underachieving,there is no question. Feels like I'm just scratching the surface here but Jesus Christ,have Rovers fans ever before been in such need of reconnecting with their club?...Apathy reigns supreme but the causes are there for all to see surely.
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  20. The only surprise is that anyone is surprised by last night's turnout. It's the culmination of a piss poor CEO persevering with a piss poor pricing strategy (which was unbelievably originally introduced in the midst of a pandemic) after the fans have also had to endure three years of piss poor football and results on the pitch under a piss poor manager. Said manager hardly fired up enthusiasm for the new season either by spending the summer desperately touting around our star striker to anyone who was interested and, then showing a stunning lack of self awareness by helpfully informing us it was unclear as to whether any funds were available for a replacement when it was his fault star striker had to be sold in the first place due to the money he's previously wasted. And that's only the last three seasons. Apart from the brief respite of a League 1 promotion the years before that were pretty terrible as well. The question is: What do the owners do about it now in the medium to long term? Big changes required: I see no possible scenario whatsoever in which the fans come flocking back to Ewood with either Waggott or Mowbray in situ. Let alone both of them.
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  21. We’ve lost around a third of our season ticket holders since he arrived on the scene, so that’s working well as a strategy then…
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  22. The better Armstrong and Harvey Elliot do (on his return from the serious injury) the more embarrassing last season looks for Rovers management. We finished 15th with two, apparently, Premier League quality attackers and a potentially topflight standard keeper. (And but for the January/Feb signing of Taylor Harwood-Bellis, who made a difference at the back, it would've been worse.) Edit: To make an analogy, us finishing 15th last season with the second top scorer and the fourth top assister in the league (joint third to be precise), would be like a team that had Mo Salah (second top scorer in the Prem last year) and Jack Grealish (fourth top assister) finishing in the bottom half of the Premiership. It's an analogy only, as Salah and Grealish are both more complete players than Armstrong and Elliot but it is, I feel, revealing of how much we underperformed considering the quality available.
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  23. I don't get it when people say that! We're not going to carry on doing that for the rest of the season are we? That literally only covers our last two games. We'd go up automatically if we go unbeaten for the rest of the season......so that won't be the bigger picture at all. Either way, there's no chance of a playoff place with Mowbray here.
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  24. Well our present owners certainly don't appear to be Rovers fans. Over a decade of total mismanagement from them and no sign of them improving things at Ewood.
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  25. "no influence on the game" - Sparks. Here's a compilation of just his interceptions & closing down from this season. Ignoring the lovely passing & other aspects of his game.
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  26. More and more of our fanbase reside outside Blackburn, yet if you don’t live within the arbitrary borders of the BwD council area you’ll see bugger all from the club. If you’d have said a decade ago that we’d be trailing Accrington bloody Stanley in engaging kids in long standing Rovers heartlands like Rishton and Ossy you’d have been laughed at, yet here we are.
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  27. Attendance 13640 Away 1647 Not a bad following considering, we've got Tony Mowbray.
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  28. We are on a bad run of form. It is just that the results have been good.
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  29. I thought the comment about the swimming pool was interesting. Presumably that is one overhead he has his eyes on cutting off as we can be confident such a luxury won't be included in any plans. It certainly couldn't have been fit on the bottom academy site. I think we are still supposed to believe that Waggott's presence at the club is entirely unrelated to Mowbray's (yeah right) and that it is also a coincidence that for the second time and second club in succession these charlatans are involved in a training ground 'project' that seems to be based on selling valuable land for housing and finding a cheaper, smaller site elsewhere (if ever). I dont believe in coincidences like that. On the subject of Coventry I keep saying how since the moment the three stooges were all gone they have been on a rapid upwards trajectory. Amazing that. Almost like they were being held back by incompetence.
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  30. Gutted to hear Waggott talking about this again so soon. What is the financial benefit to the Club of moving from Brockhall to BWD anyway if Brockhall can't be redeveloped for housing? It must be negligible. It's bad enough potentially losing all our best players for nothing due to his and Mowbray's incompetence but this is the one thing the two bit con man must NOT be allowed to get away with. He MUST be removed from office before he can bring this to fruition.
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  31. They can find money easily enough to spend/waste on pointless loanees and contract extensions for Mulgrew et al. But it's supposedly a problem to stretch contract offers to ensure we retain our best talent. Farce.
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  32. Price the Preston game sensibly and aim to get 15k home fans on. Plus their rabble on their annual get out of South Ribble day pass. Aim for 21k+ and get a few back in for a local derby. Then hopefully the team shows up and it helps re-engage a few more, these are the games for this approach. Just make it £20 in all areas outside of JW center/upper and get the BBE and Riverside full up again.
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  33. Used to love Saint and Greavsie as a boy, back when we weren't forced to involve women in football shows.... Rip Jimmy
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  34. And what do expect when we are getting crowds of only 10k(yeah owners fault) and have had 18 months with nobody at the ground. The owners are putting in as much as they can with FFP regulations (agreed even if there wasn't ffp they still wouldn't go mad with spending).The club needs to become more sustainable if we are ever to get rid of the owners ( they won't be putting us into administration like other clubs).We couldn't continue running our wages at 180% to turnover. Barnsley last season finished top 6.Sheffield united, Huddersfield, Norwich first time all promoted with a similar budget to what Mowbray has had in his time here.He has had 4 years in the job and the squad is in a poor state and a lot of that was down to him. Or do you believe it was the owners who recommended we give long term deals to the likes of Mulgrew, Smallwood, Bennett, Evans. Was it the owners who recommended bringing in Downing the second time and hardly playing him,?Was it the owners who decided to give loads of extensions out to players who didn't play a minute after the season was postponed during the first lockdown? He has had a budget that would be the envy of most clubs generating cash similar to ourselves. Nobody is arguing the owners are the main issue but Mowbray can have no complaints with the backing he has been given up to this summer
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  35. Our loan strategy has no coherence to it, it's a random shotgun approach. Clarkson and Poveda are taking opportunities away from our own players, principally Butterworth, Chapman and McBride. When van Hencke finally is fit, he'll likely be taking away minutes from Carter and Wharton. I'm not against all loans, but they should either be possible permanent recruits (we used to do this well pre-Venkys) or much, much better than our own youngsters, preferably will an option to buy. Khedra might be a cut above, but the others?
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  36. One thing I genuinely wonder (worry) about is we have a mid table attendance, presumably a mid table revenue that goes with it, mid table players, mid table manger, no proper executives, yet we lose £20 million every season whereas our counterparts dont. Where the F does it all go? Why aren’t we at least breaking even with a squad that’s got a significant amount of academy players. Mowbray tends to extend contracts of players who aren’t good enough or surplus to requirement, the squad has always been too big yet simultaneously lacking, one has to assume those that are good enough are being paid far more than our mid table rivals. But a £20 million loss a year, how. This shambles is on the manager, but like every other manager he’ll waste money that isn’t his, but why the owners allow this is beyond me. Rather than simply being grateful they sign a cheque every season let’s try and run the club properly like a proper business.
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  37. It's another point towards staying in the Championship but I have to say Barnsley were there for the taking. We were quite solid defensively and restricted Barnsley to very few chances but our attacking play left a lot to be desired and poor finishing when we did actually create something. There wasn't a great tempo to our play and lots of misplaced or wrongly weighted passes. Brereton was more Brereton than Diaz again and Poveda didn't really contribute too much. Dolan was frustrating as he did some really good things and then spoiled it with a poor final pass or wrong decision. Travis was our star man in my opinion with lots of tackles and decent distribution. Overall I wasn't too disappointed with a draw but it was well within us to have taken all three points.
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  38. Catching up on this now; very impressed with the coverage they’ve given us. Highlights even more the refereeing injustices we faced against Utd in that title winning season though. Still boils my p*ss watching the Berg and Sherwood incidents now.
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  39. They're 100% down to him.
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  41. I’d be willing to take that chance.
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  42. As others have said it's a perfect storm really. Poor football, terrible owners, increased prices and non existent efforts to engage fans all add up. Any one on its own will cause problems, bit all of them together is huge. Add in the longevity of this - 10 years of decline - and it's a hell of a window to walk away. I think there are other smaller factors which add to the main ones. Covid getting people out of the ha it and seeing more people with financial pressure being a key one. Both would be issues anyway but Covid makes both issues worse. Another factor - which I have banged on for years about - is the attraction and ease for supporting the big 6. I've gone on for years about how easy that is, with everything geared to it, and that again will only be making it is really for people, young fans especially, to follow Rovers. Perhaps the biggest issue is that there is zero sign of change. Swag or some of will certainly be here next season and our owners. There's no recognition of any problem. Our biggest issue is little will change so the decline will continue.
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  43. By the time Mowbray leaves GA will have gone bald.
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  44. I thought it was just me with a tear in my eye 🙂 - it was a dream that many Rovers fans thought they would never see. I can remember going into every match expecting us to win - what a team, what a management team and the best owner ever.
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  45. As a Leeds fan on Twitter said: “I’m confused as to why you thought a player with 0 goals and 1 assist in 20 games was the attacking answer”
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  46. This 100% Also we only seem to have a real go once we go behind that's another marker of the ToMo dour philosophy. Yesterday it was clear as day 60 mins ah we'll take the point the subs pretty much confirmed it. Why oh why though not just reshuffle and have a bit more of a go we've seen it work a couple of times this season. If we'd conceded he'd have done it almost straight away. We aren't talking going gung ho just getting people in the correct positions to have a go. Yet again his priority seems just to get some players some mins instead whilst remaining pragmatic and maybe hoping to nick something. Game yesterday was there for the taking for either side and they nearly took it a few times. We offered nothing really. A points a point can't be too choosy but the fact a lot feel deflated again tells it's own story. These are the things like the surrender to Luton that sort the underachievers from the punching above their weights over a season. It's an absolute cast iron recurring theme under his reign that a little bit more ambition and drive at certain times we'd have a lot more to show for it. The whole thing is just set up to plod though and you only have to look out at Ewood on matchday to see the town knows this.
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  47. Our 4-year journey under TM can be summed up by this. TM walked out on Coventry after 1 win in 10, leaving them bottom of League 1. He signs for us, gets us relegated, barely finished second with the biggest ever League 1 budget. Fast forward a few seasons to now. Coventry are in 4th position, 3 points ahead of us in the Championship with 1/10th of the budget we have. Herald the King.
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  48. He hasn't been backed this summer. Last summer transfer fees paid out might have been low but Kaminski and Pickering were brought in on permanent deals.A commitment was made to bring Ayayla to the club again that wouldn't have been cheap.6 of the 12 players signed last season were loans but again add them together it still costs. Have you seen many teams spending money on transfer fee since the pandemic started? I haven't and the ones who have have sold players to fund it. I'm not having a go at you either but have noticed you saying Mowbray has no budget a few times and to me that is nonsense, he has had a very healthy wage bill to play with , was allowed to spend 7 million on Brererton and even when Brererton looked a poor signing and wasn't playing the owners still gave him another 5 Million to go out and buy Gallagher. Barnsley last season finished top 6 won't have a budget like ours.Teams like Luton and Preston finishing ahead of us in the table,they won't be paying the wages we do Mowbray want to operate with a big squad so he can change things every week,Like last summer instead of bringing in 6 loan players we couldn't have found a couple of cheap players from league 1 to develop as our own,they probably wouldn't have cost much more than what we paid out for the loanees.This summer the loan market was a necessity but again that comes down to not spending what money we did have correctly. He has had 4 years here and is yet to give the team an identity.Worrying about the opposition every week instead of playing to our strengths.He is a poor manager
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  49. I’d be tempted to send these loan players back. I’d rather see rovers academy players playing for the benefit of Blackburn Rovers fc than a bunch of similar calibre players playing for the ultimate benefit of Leeds, Liverpool and Brighton. The likes of Elliott are a different kettle of fish but are these current loans any better than what’s already at Ewood I’m not convinced.
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  50. There's a reason it keeps getting mentioned. Its a sideshow. Makes up for the lack of signings and situation with senior players out of contract soon. As has become the case under this regime an inability to get business done with senior players sees the focus turn onto getting much cheaper and easier deals done for kids. Since when did the manager and CEO make such a fuss about a 16 year old agreeing terms? Never happens. Even if Phillips is in some way committed to the club (I can't see how he has done anything other than shook hands) let's get some perspective. Good news yes, a bright prospect yes, but just look at the squad and the state it will be in soon. No amount of pre contract agreements with 16 year olds will make up for that P.s no mention of Lenihan's new contract that Waggott claimed previously he was days away from signing? Surprise surprise - he's a con man and I wouldn’t believe a word he comes out with when on the spot with supporters.
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