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  1. I’m sorry Paul, but it really has bewildered me that running Blackburn Rovers sensibly has been made to look as arduous as sewing in sparring mitts, but that is how it has been presented throughout this near decade long malaise of desperate despair and unease. I just can’t see how the Raos can carry on this sickening pretence any longer. They have proven emphatically over the years that they do not have the wherewithal, the gumption, the vision, the acumen and most critically the contrition and sincerity, to ingratiate themselves with the good upstanding loyal folk who support this club, who have powered and continue to power this club for 144 years. The damage is there for all to see in the form of empty seats. Seats that are a legacy of a severe and unforgivable betrayal of trust. Seats that are now the subtle thief of those long lost feelings of unity and belonging to a club that we hold so dear. Seats that should have been filled with the next generation of enthusiasts. That’s a generation lost and for a club and town our size that is profoundly damaging, present and future. It’s the uncomfortable reality of the situation, but the existing conditions just make the whole club less and less appealing by the day. We all try to contend resolutely with this, perhaps annulling it until the next humiliating derby defeat, the next Ewood no show against newly promoted opposition, the next head-scratching managerial soundbite, the next stand closure, the next sale of a crucial player and so on. But who, in their heart of hearts, can say that they are even merely satisfied with the custodians of our fine club? Everyone of us can accept I’m sure that supporting Rovers will always be accompanied by its share of lows with the highs. Defeats, adversity and even relegation can galvanise a club. But nothing ever changes here; the anguish, the weariness, the bitterness, the helplessness, it never seems to decrease in intensity. Ewood is a totally despondent, forlorn and morose place and that is the owners biggest violation: They’ve removed the hope and the smile from that magnificent edifice on Nuttall St. and worse still shown no remorse in doing so
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  2. I'm afraid the club has dug its own grave in relation to attendances and atmosphere at Ewood and it is going to be very difficult to turn that around now from what amounts to a prolonged decline. Some will try and put their heads in the sand and say the decline is mostly natural and a result of life outside the Premier League but I don't entirely buy that cop out of an excuse which seems to be based on 30-40 year old attendance figures for the pre-Jack Walker era (lets be honest such figures have little to no relevance in 2019 given the changes in society, football and stadia) When the club was managed by competent people like John Williams there was a recognition that ongoing efforts needed to be made by the club to boost attendances and the atmosphere. The club came up with the idea of putting home fans behind both goals by opening part of the DE Lower up to home fans and making it 'different' to the rest of the ground by making it cheaper and offering unreserved seating and essentially an unofficial standing area. This lasted reasonably well for 7-8 years despite zero efforts from the club to promote it or encourage people to take flags etc. in there. I went in a couple of times. Not my cup of tea for a number of reasons but i got why some people liked it and that was the obvious place to try and grow and develop a singing/standing/banners and flags area - otherwise empty and right next to the away fans where the atmosphere is easiest to generate between opposing fans. Sadly the money focused people thought they could save a few quid by shutting that stand down. No effort at all made to relocate this area to an adjacent stand. The Lower JW corner unsuitable for such an idea anyway due to its location and size. This followed similar efforts to save a few quid by shutting down the BBE Upper and forcibly relocating season ticket holders in both the BBE upper and JW lower, in the process annoying plenty of people. The folk who are paid to 'manage' matchdays at Ewood quite happy with this new arrangement. Less areas to police. A wrecking ball swung at the most 'troublesome' area of home fans with those numbers plummeting and the diaspora of those remaining across the other 3 stands making them much less of a 'problem' for them to manage. Much better, much easier, much less hassle. Same salary at the end of the day. Why should they care? All this has happened irrespective of results and performances on the pitch (in the main these have been atrocious) and pricing of tickets (which have been escalated massively under the latest bloke claiming to be in charge). It doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out why gates and atmospheres have dropped through the floor. Sadly there still seems to be a complete ignorance or refusal to accept that decisions made in the offices at Ewood are arguably the single biggest factor in all this. In 2016 they went for the triple whammy of allowing Lambert to walk out, antagonizing fans by appointing a failed dingle manager and then shutting down stands for good measure. What are they doing to address all that? Any fresh ideas? Nope. Just questioning fans commitment whilst continuing to serve up rubbish and then introducing punitive extra charges for good measure, moving away fans as far away as possible. Anyone who looks at what Huddersfield have done with what was their away end or even Reading whose gates are barely and better than ours in truth would be able to learn a thing or two. Sadly cheap and easy with minimal effort is the way of things these days.
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  3. Well said that man. Your second paragraph perfectly sums up the club's predicament. Of course, results on the pitch and the choice of manager are important to all Rovers' fans but the club itself and it's heritage are paramount. I understand that some people may consider my posts as waffle because I usually comment on the owners, not the football, but that to me is the most important issue at the moment. Something has to change at some point. Fan pressure can have an affect but after 10 years I think fatigue has set in for most people. One thing is for sure, we will still be here when Venky's have gone. I hope we still have a club to support.
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  4. It's because we have absentee owners who have no active participation in running the club. It creates a power vacuum which is quickly filled by status-seekers and jobs for the boys.
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  5. With respect, I think you are missing an important point Joe. The Under-23 team is not a separate club so players at that level don't have THEIR own team. The Academy and the Under-23's have one sole aim which is to help with development of players that will aid the progress of the senior team. It is why the rules of Premier League 2 allow for a certain number of over-age players in Under-23 football so that players coming back from injury or players not getting regular first team football can get 90 minutes of competitive football. The Lancashire Senior Cup, of course, is not an age-limited competition which is why you often get senior players appearing in that competition. Yesterday was unusual because Everton are playing PSV Under-21 in the International Cup today, hence a number of their Under-18's were drafted into their team whilst their Seniors were in Cup action last night. The likes of Ben Brereton, Jacob Davenport and Harry Chapman are all young enough to be involved in Under-23 football and if not getting regular football for the senior team I would expect them to be turning out for the Under-23's. Dominic Samuel has been able to aid his recovery from long term injury by playing for the Under-23's so that has benefited both the player and the club. I've watched the club's second string for the best part of 60 years now and the aim has always been the same - to prepare players to step into the senior team when required. Doesn't matter what name the competition goes by that aim is still the same.
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  6. True, but there are many clubs with absentee owners who fill that vacuum with high quality administrators who are expected to perform. Here we don't have Chairmen, CEOs, sporting directors, technical directors or other expertise. We have dodgy agents, tv pundits, part timers, snake oil salesmen and managers mates.
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  7. For the record calling your post "waffle" was unacceptable. The only reason I didn't hide it was because by the time I saw it there had already been some proper discussion generated from it and I didn't want to have to hide it all. Nothing wrong with your posts at all mate so keep going.
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  8. 1. Would you say you understand Brexit and politics?. 2. Confirmation bias - shutting down what you don't want to hear or read. 3. Hindsight is wonderful. I assume when Brown sold the gold (on the advice of the Treasury), you were filling your boots and buying? Of course you were. 4. The Treasury note was intended as a joke. The country wasn't bust anyway - the Tories handed £1 billion (yes £1bn) to Northern Ireland as a bribe to the DUP and George Osborne's first act as chancellor was to give millionaires a tax cut and make ordinary folk pay for it by imposing austerity.
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  9. The Bankers fucked it up last time. De-regulation was allowed to go too far but not as far as the Tories wanted it to go. Then they had the gall to try and blame the Labour Party. Without Gordon Brown and Alastair Darling's astute leadership in the immediate aftermath the financial crisis would have been much worse than it actually was. We were hours away from total financial collapse. We were just starting to pull out of the mess when Cameron,Osbourne, Clegg etc stepped in with their austerity regime and it's been downhill ever since. Just in case anyone has forgotten, Jo Swinson was culpable in grinding the faces of the poor also. I'm 70 myself so I think I've got a handle on ageing. People just get scared of the future and overwhelmed by a nostalgia for a past that never probably existed and certainly isn't coming back. Lots of people my age have closed minds regarding life in general and politics in particular.
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  10. Sale of Rovers on this thread is way off topic. Weekends comments on the whole were as many of us expected. TM has done what he can and the longer the club waits to replace him or bring in a change at management level the deeper this crisis becomes. Doesn't look like change will happen which means we can expect the same process through team preparation and game time followed by in all probability this message board anger. Luton, Charlton to mention two games but also still fuming with the PNE result. TM's lack of appreciation for our faithful following, his team selection and his lack of tactics to change a game is annoying and results in negative feelings and game loss. Not looking forward to atmosphere on Saturday. We have the players, and I don't just mean senior level, but not the management structure under TM. We need gifted staff that can start bringing this club together on the pitch then the club can begin to climb this division. Pointless waiting as some have suggested, the club should have acted months ago and I fear this will continue to be the case in the coming months.
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  11. They've only sacked Keogh because he is injured and is no use for 15 months when he'll be 35. Surely the other two idiots who were driving and then fled the scene like two pathetic cowards should've been jailed, never mind sacked. The fact that they've not been sacked shows how hypocritical and corrupt a club you are dealing with. But then it is the same club who have signed Rooney and given him the number so they can advertise a betting firm and legally get kids who buy the shirt to advertise the firm legally. A scum house of a club that even makes us look good.
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  12. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50242841 so surely they have to sack the other 2 or is this just because he was injured ?
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  13. During the early part of my working life the Tories continually railed against what they described as the " Socialist Ratchet ". In simple terms this was the way the Labour Party, when it was in office, enacted progressive legislation to protect workers rights and conditions of employment, social security measures, etc. They hated and opposed most of them but couldn't do much about them because they were pretty popular with the majority of voters. This was the ratchet effect. Then Mrs Thatcher comes along and did her best to row back some of the legislation but even she had to tread softly most of the time. In 2008 along comes the financial crisis and later on the subsequent Tory/ Lib Dem coalition. They couldn't believe their luck, here was a ready made, once in a lifetime, chance to turn back the clock. So they dived in with both feet, cut, cut, cut and more cuts. You name it, if they could cut it, they did. . They'd been waiting 50 years for this opportunity and they weren't going to miss their chance. We've been living with the repercussions of that doctrinaire series of decisions for the last ten years and there's still no sign of our lives improving on the whole.. I didn't expect anything else from the Tories but let nobody forget the role the craven Lib/Dems played in enforcing Austerity. They need to own it and I've no doubt they'll be reminded of that fact in the coming few weeks.
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  14. L.You may not like him. I personally, as I've said many times, am not a Corbyn fan, but that doesn't change the fact that hes good on the campaign trail. And I dont know many women my age who would vote for Johnson. All of my friends and most of my acquaintances think hes awful. Same goes for our Nigel Evan's. I dont know who votes for him but it's not the people I know. And I'm 65 so fall in the bracket who are supposed to vote Tory. Never have and never would And its young people who will suffer most if Brexit goes ahead so, if this election is mean to solve the Brexit problem, then by rights they should be allowed to vote. Their future is too important to be left to old codgers harking back to a time that never was. If we vote Tory and give Johnson his Brexit, were stuck with the consequences for the foreseeable future and beyond. If we eect a poor Parliament were allowed to change our mind once every 5 years by law and more often if they feel like it
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  15. No non-EEA immigrant - be they legal or, of course, illegal - would have any hope of claiming any public funds. It is a lie that has been spread and gone uncorrected for years. Non-EEA immigrants do not get any of the following: Means-tested benefits such as income-based Jobseeker’s Allowance, Income Support, income-related Employment and Support Allowance, Pension Credit and Housing Benefit Child Tax Credit and Working Tax Credit Universal Credit Child Benefit Social Fund payments Council Tax reduction Domestic rate relief (Northern Ireland) Extra-costs disability benefits including Disability Living Allowance, Attendance Allowance and Personal Independence Payment Carer’s Allowance an allocation of local authority housing local authority homelessness assistance Read this if you want to know all the ins and outs: https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/SN06847 Illegal immigrants would not dare apply for these benefits anyway - they kind of want to keep a low profile. Illegal immigrants go to the UK to work. Full stop. They work, they send the money home, and then they leave. It is the employers and criminal gangs that need to be the focus of police efforts - that's how to prevent things like this happening. Meanwhile, this tragic event should not be used by anti-immigration types to further muddy the waters.
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  16. ‘We have more attacking talent than I can ever remember from a Rovers squad and that is testimony to Mowbray’s signings. There have been flashes and signs of progression and I trust Mowbray to find more consistency. Considering what he has rescued the club from, I believe he deserves the chance to see this project through. Kelvin Wilkins ‘ Kelvin is about 11 years old then, I take it?
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  17. This is a big problem created by Brexit. It's not as simple as a win v. a loss as the idiocy of the time since has proven. It's a complex issue, not a game of snooker.
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  18. Bundles have never worked. I bet single tickets for £20 (no tax) would have more success than 3 for £45. Just suppose you get a free Saturday unexpectedly, you have £20 spare. Ewood! £45 is a big wedge to a lot of people. Lots of people can't guarantee 3 free Saturdays. Imagine a local Combination fixture gets rained off on Saturday morning. 11 lads decide to go to Rovers. A bundle is no good.
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  19. Theres no point in leaving and trying to re enter. What do you think the terms would be? Nowhere near the opt outs we have now. Brexit needs to be stopped because it's a bad deal all round. I dont hold out any hope of its being stopped but that doesn't mean I cant do whatever I can to persuade people it should be. And the opportunities for young people to study, travel, work, live abroad throughout a large part of Europe without red tape will be lost to them. I've had those chances all my adult life and felt the benefits. Why shouldn't others?
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  20. It all comes down to a complete lack of organisation and discipline. This are the required attributes when put under pressure. It’s the need to intuitively no your role and that of each of the men around you and the discipline for each individual to stick to the plan regardless of opposition pressure. Examples england rugby v New Zealand, dalglish Hughes and alardyce rovers teams. Ferguson most of his teams. This come from the management and nowhere else. Mowbray I feel does not give any clear direction or leadership and then blames individuals for the failure to complete the task. Which has a general principle of management is poor in itself. There are countless examples of teams being greater than the sum of there parts due to organisation and discipline. We are I feel are a working example of how not to manage. finally has an aside before someone comes forward and says league one promotion. Mowbray by his own admission handed over organisation and discipline to the senior professionals. Isn’t it strange that the absence of Conway Mulgrew and the sidelining of Graham has left just Bennett coveting every position on the field and I suspect the dressing room. While Mowbray rejects responsibility for failure and blames it on the younger players. In my opinion and for the reasons above change is required and inevitable
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  21. Make your bloody mind up. Which is it?
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  22. Upton Sinclair once said - " It's difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it ".
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  23. They can sack the other two but they are worth too much money to just terminate their contracts and get no fee....Keogh has no value especially after this injury at his age. He may get a pay off through a tribunal as it seems excessive to me considering the other twos punishment
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  24. If you read that article it claims to know about a group of Rovers fans who don't want this takeover as their club would 'loose' its identity. Absolute horse**** pretending to be journalism. Direct quote: "most of Rover’s fans are keen on the idea of becoming rich club." Some child with access to Google translate had a dream last night after watching old Premiership highlights...
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  25. Quality posts like that are why I'll always prefer forums to facebook or twitter!
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  26. I mean if you really want to get into it, you can argue that the foundations for the financial crisis in 2008 we’re actually laid by Thatcher and Reagan and their conservative governments in the U.K. & USA in the 1980s when they decided to take both countries down a path of privatised Keynesianism and usher in neoliberalism: “This new financial growth model used tax cuts to stimulate the economy, and it promoted privatisation of public assets and deregulation of the private sector, particularly the financial sector. It sought to expand credit, not restrict it, and to enlist the financial sector as the most important driver of growth and competition in the economy.” (From ‘The Spectre at the Feast: Capitalist Crisis and the Politics of Recession’ - a really good book if you want to read into the subject in more detail) This move to neoliberalism would cause the deregulation of financial markets in 1986 and expanding credit so people could borrow amounts beyond their means to repay, which by the time labour took over was arguably too far gone to turn around as it was such a prevelant practice in capitalist countries around the world and he damage had been done; ultinately causing the sub-prime mortgage scandal in America, which is what kickstarted the recession.
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  27. In my view to boost sales of the three game offer. ”All about creating (the illusion of) value”. People ask why Waggott isn’t seen as on the fans‘ side. They need to look at what he does with his pricing policies and not what he says. - ST prices have increased - Shirt costs have increased - Walk-on costs have rocketed - Food/drink prices have rocketed Meanwhile we have 1875 club incentives, tacky £350 lottery tickets to win 10k, pithy bundles trying to incentivise fans to buy into the higher pricing policy. “Buy a ST it’s cheaper” while putting up the price of everything else to make it appear so. While ignoring the fact that your average Blackburner doesn’t have a big wallet - and they aren’t even spending it in the pub (which is why the pub trade is shrinking as quickly as the Rovers fanbase!) If he doesn’t, can’t, or won’t try to understand - let alone increase - his catchment area, and look at a lower margin, higher volume model then we are never going to see the fanbase grow. Fortunately-well-off (I can afford it so should they) or die-hard (I’d rather follow Rovers and go without) fans may take a different view but they are already here! If you want to attract more affluent out of town folk then you need to make the brand a lot more appealing and floundering around with a manager whose ambition or ability will see us 14th at best isn’t going to work either. Billionaire owners and we are scratting around trying to increase revenues by tapping up the same beleaguered fans. Is it any wonder there is no atmosphere at Ewood and more vociferous fans would rather give their money to away clubs than to Rovers?
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  28. Really the election will be decides by how much the Tories can fend off Brexit Party, and Labour fend off Lib Dems and Greens in each and every seat in the country. It's enormously unpredictable. It looked absolutely certain May would win a huge majority and then she didn't. Is Johnson in the same boat?
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  29. I remember playing Cardiff at home 1st game of the season on a Friday night live on TV just after they had been relegated. Darwen End lower divided between home and away fans. BBE upper open. 15,600 on. Maybe 2000 or so Cardiff fans on so 13000-14000 home fans. All areas of ground open. Felt good that night. The ground felt good and it was a good atmosphere. Now we are down to 10,000 with two stands closed it feels awful.
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  30. Whatever a reserve side is called these days, its purpose is the same.
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  31. It's not done though, is it? Factual content in your argument, there is none.
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  32. Either that or senile dementia
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  33. It's a strange one anyway, £40 or not Sheff Wed haven't bought more than 3k here for years.
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  34. 3200 Sheffield Wednesday fans (at a guess by the weekend) x £40.00 = £128,000 5900 Sheffield Wednesday fans (last year) x £24.00 = £141,600 What was the point in the £40 price for Sheffield Wednesday fans again?
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  35. That just tells me that the older folks have the knowledge and experience to make an informed choice which would never include entrusting our country to Labour so they can fuck it up again like last time. Thats why 16yos should never vote. They don't know nowt. Laws on capping the price of playstation games and means testing of board payments.
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  36. Why? He is actually very good on the campaign trail. I know several people who went to his rallies at the last election and were not themselves Labour voters but said he really carried the crowds with him.
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  37. John Curtice was asked by LBC a few hours ago if he had any predictions regarding the results of the election. He said: "Well, I’ll give you one and you might laugh but it’s potentially important: I think the safest prediction is probably that we are going to have a record number of non-Conservative and non-Labour MPs in this parliament because the SNP look set to win the vast majority of the seats in Scotland. "The Liberal Democrats given their position in the polls should do extremely well. We expect Caroline Lucas and the Green Party to hang on to her seat. We’ve got guaranteed 18 from N. Ireland and 4 from Wales. We could well have more than 100 MPs who do not belong to either of the other two parties. "Now, that matters for two reasons. The first is that it makes it difficult for either Conservative or Labour to win an overall majority if you're doing it off the backbench, 100 of the seats are already spoken for. Secondly, it matters because – we have to remember here - this is an asymmetric election. It's an election that Boris Johnson has to win. If he does not get a majority or something very, very close to it, he will not be able – almost undoubtedly – he will not be able to stay in government because the Conservatives do not have any friends elsewhere. "The Labour Party, in contrast, at least has the possibility of doing a deal with the SNP, a deal with the Liberal Democrats, getting the support of the Greens and maybe even the DUP not standing in their way. So, bear in mind, this is not an election that Labour have to win to stop Brexit, it’s an election in which they and the other opposition parties simply have to deny the Conservatives a majority.”
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  38. To be fair though, most polls predicted that remain would walk the 2016 referendum, so probably best to take all this with a pinch of salt. Let’s see what happens , my view is we will end up with a Tory/brexit party coalition
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  39. I agree with this but I do not class Smallwood as someone who should be taking a spot from someone else - in either squad.
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  40. Agree - if these morons are as wealthy as we all think and their indifference to £200million of debt suggests they might be then I don’t get why they don’t do a proper job in hiring a proper manager and bankrolling is into the PL. that’s the only way they will get any significant sum back .Alternatively it’s death by a thousand cuts and ten years from now we’ll be saying the same things but half a billion in debt. makes zero sense and never has .
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  41. I wouldn't say that - more like 10% are acutely afraid of who his replacement would be...
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  42. No offence .. but you obviously live in a bubble. Whole problem I have with Corbyn and his accolades. Problem you have is majority of normal folk having nothing disdain. As for Teresa may...if your hoping for a repeat you will be disappointed. Corbyn reached the peak of his popularity and may ran the worst campaign I've seen in my lifetime. People have seen through corbyns fantasy politics and just don't buy it. Such as his 300 billion nationalisation pledge and plans to tax people with gardens. A clear indicator of the rejection of his politics is that a shambles government led by bojo is somewhere between 10-15 ahead in polls.
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  43. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/30/tactical-voting-could-deliver-remain-victory-in-election-study This needs to be published, distributed and forwarded far and wide. We might just be able to save the nation from the impending disaster (for the majority, not the rich who stand to profit from it) of Brexit. https://www.getvoting.org/
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  44. Last year. That's over 3000, closer to 4000. Looks like over 3000 in 2015 as well.
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  45. There you go again arguing the referendum....that bit is done.. it’s just an opinion you know nothing.
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  46. Absolutely true story. I sat with my mate on Sat aft having told him there was no chance we’d leave deep dale with a single point. He laughed as the second one went in but in absolutely the same way as you ‘knew’ I turned to him with my phone saying I was that confident that I’d have a tenner on us to lose at that point. I got 9-1 at BV and the rest is history. I’ve never done that since Kean. The teams ability to implode is written into Mowbrays regime now. He’s consistently terrible at managing games to a favourable end and that’s the reason why I personally now want a change.
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  47. There is a perception in Asia that there are more jobs and a better network of fellow Asians in the UK. You will find the 39 will have bought a package from their agent: Travel + a job + six months accommodation + English lessons Girls will be going to nail bars and boys to labouring. Yes some get tricked and trapped into prostitution but those are picked off in much smaller groups than these. The key point is they are not going to the UK for handouts.
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  48. I'm not being funny unsall but what have you been watching for the past 12 months? What makes you think we'll turn it around before Christmas? The comparison to 1992 is just crackers.
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