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  1. Stuart is right. This is like what happened with Bolton, we are not in debt to any financial institution but we are in debt to Venky's and if they decide to recall that debt then we will be in big trouble (not that there is any suggestion that they will do this at the moment). There are different scenarios where they could sell the club and write off debt etc. I don't feel like that they are some sort of heros for continuing to put money into the club, they created this mess and I give them some credit for not walking away but all of this is their fault, they did not listen to people who were giving them proper advice when it was clear to the even the biggest idiot that they were being taken for fools.
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  2. One thing I can say with some confidence is that the emotional harm and upset caused to me and thousands of other lifelong fans over the last decade is almost certainly greater than any upset billionaires on the other side of the world writing off losses that will probably not have put so much as a dent in their vast fortune. I also think that the money I spend every year, along with thousands of others, in supporting the club is probably a greater percentage of my limited income/net worth than £15 million a year is to billionaires.
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  3. I’ve no particular issue with folk being content that they are still writing the cheques, or that we see funds available for players, the academy etc - the club is obviously not the cesspit it was previously. However it grates massively that we should feel some sort of empathy for owners of an international conglomerate having their pants pulled down. It was their arrogance that saw our downfall and we have all paid the price.
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  4. Much better? Really? I agree, and have been saying so since about last March. So let's explore that a bit further. For comparison purposes I've split the deaths per million into 4 categories: Deaths per million: 1750-2000 Belgium Deaths per million: 1500-1750 Slovenia, UK, Czechia, Italy Deaths per million 1250-1500 Bosnia, North Macedonia, Portugal, Bulgaria, Hungary, Moldova, Spain, Croatia Deaths per million 1000-1250 Sweden, France, Switzerland, Lithuania, Armenia, Poland I'd argue any Country over the 1k mark has failed this pandemic badly, and any under 1k can say they've done a pretty good job. So that's what? 19 of the European Countries have performed poorly, about two thirds. And people might say a 250 person bracket is too large, it fudges the figures. Let's be clear, those margins out of a million equate to 0.025% (a quarter of 0.1%!!). Very fine margins. Now, of course, I am not intending to be callous. I'm well aware that every single life lost is a tragedy, and all the family and friends of those lost ones will be forever touched by this. And imo there is no denying the UK has done a very poor job pretty much from start to finish. So many wrong turns, delays, dithering, failure to learn from previous mistakes. There's strong suggestions of corruption, cronyism, and people profiting throughout this pandemic through nefarious means whilst their fellow citizens lose their lives. All of this is well documented in this thread, and Countrywide, and I truly hope there is repercussions and ramifications for those who deserve it once the time comes. BUT- What is now starting to anger me more than anything is supposedly reputable and responsible national newspapers, national radio stations, primetime TV presenters and newsreaders, consistently barracking our nation with the narrative that we are almost alone on this horrific journey through the Covid-19 crisis. We are an outlier, different to the norm, an anomaly. I'm sorry, no matter which way you look at the statistics, it is simply not true! Yet bar charts and graphs are highlighted to the public the minute it shows the UK sitting at the top. TV personalities scream on twitter and breakfast TV about how we are "Top of the the Pops", it's a national disgrace, why are we suffering whilst the rest of the World continue to skip though the pandemic effortlessly. I find it truly terrifying that these people are allowed, even encouraged, to spoon feed this narrative consistently to the public, many of whom I suspect get very little further information from alternative sources. There is a big difference between "holding the Government to account", and scaring the shit out of a nation by not telling the full story. It feels very much like many organisations have found themselves stuck in a default setting of producing endless "misery porn", because after all, they're businesses and it's all about the clicks, likes, and viewing figures. What worries me most about it all, is that we will now enter a severe mental health crisis period, which will cause more problems than I fear people are acknowledging. There are huge swathes of very scared people holed up in their houses, that were probably going to struggle to fit comfortably back into society anyway due to the lack of social interaction over the last 11 months. The doom mongering that has been going on, and continues to go on unabated, despite some very positive signs for the UK recently, is doing nothing but sending these people further into the pit of despair. I find the whole situation extremely irresponsible, and from people and organisations that should know better. And if they don't, maybe they should strive to do better. How about being that voice that tries to calm and reassure the nation, send a message that although this has been hell, we're going to get through it, we'll come out fighting the other side, and let's all support each other to rebuild society together in all areas. As that's what it's going to need. Never know, maybe they'd find they would get the most clicks by actually spreading some positivity. Novel idea I know. I mean, see above, case in point for skewed narrative. UK deaths = 106,000 EU deaths = 634,000 I'm quite sure our friends in Europe are too busy mourning the loss of their own loved ones, rather than worrying about giving sympathy to us. It's human nature. It's like saying the families of the Titanic were devastated to hear a small settlement of eskimos was destroyed on the iceberg.
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  5. On behalf of darrenrover, who’ll be back with us shortly, I’m delighted to announce the arrival of his first grandchild, a girl at 12.30pm today, weighing in at 6lb 4oz. Mother and baby in good health. Hopefully the 6th generation of the darrenrover Rovers following family! He’s rather happy and so he should be!
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  6. If they need to inject £7 million every 4 months that’s £21 million a season. Presumably transfers are on top of that. So it’s costing them £20-30 million a season. Two thoughts: 1 how does that compare to other clubs in the championship? 2 Mowbray must have one hell of a silver tongue to convince them he’s worth another season of mid table mediocrity. Surely they must want to see some return for £197 million. As it stands it’s cost them that much to take us from a mid table premiership club to a mid table championship club and alienate 50% of the customer base in the process. 👏 👏👏👏👏👏
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  7. Not disagreeing with you but it's just amusing to see how hard you strain not to say anything positive about what the UK is doing. If the stats were flipped the other way round youd be piling in on what a poor job we're doing and how the EU have got it right yet again.
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  8. Hopefully, a bit of clarity. Firstly, the relationship between Venky's London Limited (parent company) and The Blackburn Rovers Football and Athletic Limited (football club) needs to be understood. Venky's London Limited (parent company) issue shares and then make loans to The Blackburn Rovers Football and Athletic Limited. The last accounts for the football club (y.e. June 2019) showed these loans (£127million) under creditors falling due within one year. The accounts also stated the loans were interest free with no fixed date for repayment, however, these loans are repayable. The bottom line is if VLL call in these loans then we are well and truly fecked. Since the football club's last filed accounts (y.e. June 2019), VLL have issued something in the region of a further £35million shares - to provide further loans to the football club. I think it is inevitable there will be a 'tipping point'. The Raos have an asset, which under present circumstances, is worth only a tiny fraction of their almost £200million investment. I feel sure the Raos' realise their only hope of making a substantial recovery on their investment would be if we got promoted to the PL. IMO, this looks an increasingly forlorn hope and as each season goes by without us even threatening to get promoted, I feel their perception will change and we will be getting closer to them deciding enough is enough. Make no mistake, there is no magic money tree. As a finance professional, I think we are up financial sh1t creek without a paddle and our ongoing existence hangs by, what I would consider to be, an increasingly tenuous thread. As Bolton found with Eddie Davis, there comes a time...........................
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  9. If any of the V's are reading this I have a trophy in the shed that is a lot bigger than the 3rd division not quite as good as Wigan trophy that has cost you nearly 200 million. It's yours for 500k* , no great ongoing costs only a pack of silver wipes and a quick clean every few months. *Direct transaction no third parties involved so the price does not jump up to 2 million
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  10. I'd say now more than ever before they should actually be asking what are we going to get back from this and when ? Mountains of money was going in before to pay for morally bankrupt deeds but now it's just propping up a midtable championship club. When most of that squad is fit it should be doing better than it is now. Saturday was a case in point that side was more than good enough to get something. And there was no pitch to blame, at what point do they start holding the manager and his staff accountable ?
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  11. Conspiracy theories always fall down for me when you look at two things 1) The sheer number of people required to carry it out who would have to be sworn to silence. 2) Motive - why are they doing this? 3) The mechanics of actually doing it - it's easy to say a councillor has ordered care homes to do XYZ but that's not how local councils work The Mitchell and Webb look did a few sketches about people planning conspiracy theories which was quite amusing.
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  12. An interesting incident occurred before the game as Pieters was included on the official team sheet to play. Somebody realised that two cautions in the FA Cup is a suspension and Pieters had been yellow carded in rounds three and four. They changed their ream and team sheet and put it down to an 'administrative error'. In other words they didn't know. It would have been funny if he had played, they won and then got booted out.
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  13. Unfortunately this is technically not the case. The share capital conversions are in the VLL company. Within the BRFC company it is all loans. I.e. VLL can call in the loan and demand payment from BRFC. Of course that's not to say that the Rao's ever will do this but they retain the legal right to do so. I've just checked back and the last filed accounts for BRFC show £127m owed to VLL at 30/06/19 within creditors payable within 1 year. There will have been much more loans since then with no share capital changes since then.
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  14. It’s a bit more nuanced Kamy...they tend to convert the debt to shares thereby signalling that it’s a permanent investment in the balance sheet. If it remained as “on call” loans then that might signal a cause for greater concern. Frankly, whether loans or share capital, the only realistic way that they ever get their money back is turn us into a solid Premier League side that can count on ever-growing TV revenues...or we develop 11 Phil Fodens through the academy...
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  15. Mary Wilson, founder member of The Supremes, has died very suddenly at the age of 76. With the possible exceptions of Elvis and The Beatles, they were as big a game changer as any artist back in the day, and opened doors for black artists and women that were previously firmly locked. RIP.
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  16. The debt can be £200 million or £300 million. It don't matter. They will never get it back. Option 1 to sell us & write off debt. Option 2 to call in debt triggering administration, in which case they will get their money back from where? Nowhere. It is inevitable it ends one way or the other. Sooner the better.
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  17. They put out a weak side and I suspect are only too happy to get out of the competition. It's a sad state that football has got itself into when Premier League money is far more important than the FA Cup to the majority of Premier League sides. Sadly, the cups are just not that important to clubs anymore.
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  18. Some years ago I used to referee short format seven a side games in the Blackburn area, and regularly came across Paul Gallagher turning out for Blackburn Blind Society (really!!). He never reacted badly whenever the inevitable big time billy had a go at him, managing to avoid most of the mad lunges intended to do him some harm. Neither would he acknowledge who he was, which got to be a bit of a game over the three or so seasons I saw him do it. Good job I never had to caution him, I guess, although I always made it clear that I knew who he was and that he should be aware of the risks involved. Nice lad, from whatI could tell. The other one was Glenn Keeley, who played in the veterans league over in Preston for some years (well after leaving Rovers) and who was clearly a head above in class than his team mates in the games I refereed.
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  19. Albert Hammond - The Free Electric Band
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  20. Apart from the overdraft, we do not have any external debt at the moment. It seems they are having to inject nearly £7m every 3 months to keep the lights on, so around £28-30m for this season (nearly double their normal yearly contribution). For that amount of cash I would be expecting a promotion challenge at the minimum. Also in 3 months we will break the magical £200m barrier, at a certain point they must reach an enough is enough moment.
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  21. They think its all over, it is now! Great win. Root possibly knows a bit more than me!
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  22. It would have been cheaper to keep Allardyce
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  23. I'm pretty sure he'd be injured in the head if he ever set foot in Blackburn again.
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  24. I think we have to look at Brentford as an example. Nimble transfer policy, forward thinking management...I bet you as much as you want they've already identified Toney's replacement...meanwhile, monday morning down Brocky and Tony is busy identifying his breakfast barm on the brekkky menu
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  25. As i said to a dingle on twitter earlier who was sticking the knife in about the debt to Vs ( whilst not quite grasping the situation they are now in ). We are just a good manager away from promotion with the way their backing is now. That's not a dig at Mowbray it's just a fact, if they made the correct moves and used some of those millions in the recruitment of a suitable guy & his staff then at some point we'd go up. That's where we are at now this regime have laid some good foundations and the backing has been more sensible. It needs that next step to move us on a level before millions do start being squandered again, players leave and we go back to square one.
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  26. Chris Price used to come and help our training sessions when he played for Rovers (first time) and play in the practice games.
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  27. Yup, nice to see him doing well though.
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  28. Not Rovers, but my son in law recently turned up to play and found himself facing Stephen Ireland, Joleon Lescotf and Nedum Onuoha.
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  29. Robert Johnson - Cross Road Blues
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  30. Chorley have voted to keep playing but tonights game against Spennymoor is off as Spenny have said they arent playing for the rest of the season,if you ask me that should go down as a forfeit and awarded 3-0 win to Chorley.It's a bit of a mess atm.
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  31. Brilliant news Mark. Congratulations to the darrenrover family 👶
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  32. John Kongos - He's Gonna Step On You Again
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  33. Usually have R2 on all day whilst working from home - the lads at work know not to ring between 1030 and 11! One of them even joked he was going to get me this for Christmas (tight b*stard didn't follow it through through! 😄😞
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  34. We got ourselves a regular goal scorer in the championship. Hardly lost out. We may not see the full amount of profit but I’d suggest we still benefited from the transfer.
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  35. I was just so glad I woke up at 4.15, turned on my tablet and watched the mornings play live.
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  36. If the last year has taught me anything, it's that there are a lot of people to whom 'logic' is some fashion brand. No amount of reasoned argument will ever convince such a creature to change an opinion. The 'others' are wrong and the devil incarnate whereas my side is the one true good. Whether it's 'true fan' arguments, Lab/Con or Rep/Dem, the divides seem to be getting wider. I have no doubt that this fellow would be the sort who'd swear in front of kids on away days or delay the coach by queuing up for McDonalds on a toilet stop.
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  37. The last resort of the loser when he can't handle the heat is to throw in a little insult. You are meant to be a fully grown man - it's not difficult to at least be civil-ish. I haven't missed your point at all. You have changed it. You mentioned those figures as proof we are doing badly; percentage mortality vs cases is about normal; tests per capita are in UKs favour; vaccines per capita are in UKs favour. Do the measures that count the ones which show the UK poorly? That's your usual logic! For what it is worth I think the UK, like most European countries, have handled it badly. To say they haven't is EU-tinted spectacles. With regards to the research gap you should stop reading silly nonsense newspapers and read some actual academic research. Again, though, much like darrenrover has been given the opportunity, you are also being given the opportunity to prove your claim by posting it. By simply saying "if you are bothered to look" it is attempting to pass the burden of proof. You made the claim - prove it. If you can't then just say it, and we won't hold the fact you bullshit against you. Promise. For an old man to be calling me pre-pubescent is a bit weird by the way, you should probably keep your thoughts like that to yourself in future before you begin to get a name for yourself. What an odd statement.
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  38. I had an argument with that callum at the start of the season where he initially said anyone not buying a season ticket isn't a proper fan, then when prices were released he claimed they were too expensive and thus wasn't going to buy one. Absolute muppet
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  39. He hasn't been a member of the Labour Party since the Iraq War, so getting on for 20 years. As for looking scruffy I don't think the Labour Party have a monopoly on that given every time Johnson is on TV he looks like Worzel Gummidge.
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  40. He's a different style of player I know, but another Per Frandsen for me.
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  41. Yeah think this is where I would land too. Only thing I would add is you also need to factor in NHS professionals going in to care homes who would have to be in on it to. Given they need to know whether patients have Covid, have close working relationships with the care homes, and can also be involved in their deaths, it's a heck of a stretch to think they wouldn't notice something amiss. Am sure there are some wrongly attributed and am convinced there will be a few care homes that are abusing the system for whatever reason. There always are a few people who take advantage of bad situations. But certainly it's not the extent that is being said here.
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  42. £1.75 million with a load of add on's and sell on was probably the only way we'd get him back then. He was well thought of around the lower leagues and any less we'd have had competition. Very good signing at the time and the deal was about right because i'm not sure they wanted to let him go. Still very young and they could carry him and continue loaning him out no problem. Just highlights to me if you find a player that fits what you want and has a bit of pedigree you have to bite the bullet and go for it. Compared to the Brereton signing it looks a bargain.
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  43. Thats a superb win away from home, Captain gets a double hundred, spinners actually spinning the ball and Anderson swing it round corners. The toss was key, but take nothing away from that performance, brilliant.
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  44. i`ve heard there has been a bit of dressing room unrest over mowbrays tactics and approach to games,kicked off at full time on saturday (not the 1st time either by all accounts)everyone was involved,barring the young lads on loan,tony was shocked by all the vitriol and has retreated to his beloved north east to reconsider his future,worst of all the remains of the lemon drizzle cake was thrown against the wall by a player who shall remain anon,mrs m`s bone china cake stand was also a casualty and she is far from happy could this be the end of mowbrays regime???,it`s clear he`s running out of time and i think he`s run out of player respect as well,once you lose the dressing room it`s basically all over,you never get it back
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  45. Where do all of these random rumours come from? There were posts last week that he would have been gone before the weekend...
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  46. Big Brother is ALWAYS watching you, lol.
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  47. We simply must be a great way to offset liabilities elsewhere. Meanwhile the club owes £200m to them. A state of perpetual numbness - and we should be grateful that they haven’t closed us down yet. Worst owners we’ve ever had. Let’s hope they aren’t also the last ones...
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  49. https://www.fleetwoodtownfc.com/news/2021/february/dunn-joins-town-coaching-staff/ This has the potential to be the longest thread title on here...
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