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9 hours ago, Mike E said:

I always thought Butterworth was a striker?

I meant the next Travis in terms of being young and hungry. Not position.

Let’s not forget though, Travis wasn’t a central midfielder either...

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22 hours ago, deryck guyler's spoon said:

Is Buckley ready for some more first team action do you reckon?

Definitely, looks more like a footballer than most of the other members of the team. If Mowbray is looking for players who can keep possession, then he’s the best placed young player we have......in my view anyway.

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Just now, Giant said:

Definitely, looks more like a footballer than most of the other members of the team. If Mowbray is looking for players who can keep possession, then he’s the best placed young player we have......in my view anyway.

That's sort of encouraging. I remember the Academy being criticised a few years back for producing athletes instead of footballers. Is that the case with this current crop?

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3 hours ago, JacknOry said:

Club captain at 19-years old...bloody hell.

I know!

Between him and Mbappe why can't our lads play in the first team at 19!?

Nothing to do with them being two of the best players in the world...

The likes of De Ligt are certainly the exception and not the rule.

 

I thought Buckley only looked a slip of a lad at Hillsborough, Butterworth looks tiny too - think they've got enough about them physically yet for the Championship @Stuart?

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Just now, S8 & Blue said:

I thought Buckley only looked a slip of a lad at Hillsborough, Butterworth looks tiny too - think they've got enough about them physically yet for the Championship @Stuart?

Depends where you play them. If Chapman is physically strong enough, and Conor Mahoney was then Butterworth is.

Only one way to find out.

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3 hours ago, JacknOry said:

Club captain at 19-years old...bloody hell.

 

Niklas Sule was captain at Hoffenheim at 18 and I can think of a few other German players who were captain of their own clubs at similar ages in recent times too. 

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35 minutes ago, S8 & Blue said:

I know!

Between him and Mbappe why can't our lads play in the first team at 19!?

Nothing to do with them being two of the best players in the world...

The likes of De Ligt are certainly the exception and not the rule.

 

I thought Buckley only looked a slip of a lad at Hillsborough, Butterworth looks tiny too - think they've got enough about them physically yet for the Championship @Stuart?

Basically sound like an old school football scout "too small etc" physicality hardly matters anymore.

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Just now, RoversClitheroe said:

Basically sound like an old school football scout "too small etc" physicality hardly matters anymore.

Ha ok.

Could get a lot of money selling the gym equipment at Brockhall - good thinking.

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1 hour ago, S8 & Blue said:

I know!

Between him and Mbappe why can't our lads play in the first team at 19!?

Nothing to do with them being two of the best players in the world...

The likes of De Ligt are certainly the exception and not the rule.

 

I thought Buckley only looked a slip of a lad at Hillsborough, Butterworth looks tiny too - think they've got enough about them physically yet for the Championship @Stuart?

Perhaps Mason Mount isn't good enough then? Perhaps Alli shouldn't have been playing for MK Dons at 16 then? Perhaps we shouldn't have taken a chance on Phil Jones? Or Derby shouldn't have given a debut to Will Hughes at 16 years old? 

 

I mean Iniesta and Xavi were tiny, perhaps they shouldn't have been given a chance? 

 

Or... 

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Just now, Neal said:

Perhaps Mason Mount isn't good enough then? Perhaps Alli shouldn't have been playing for MK Dons at 16 then? Perhaps we shouldn't have taken a chance on Phil Jones? Or Derby shouldn't have given a debut to Will Hughes at 16 years old? 

 

I mean Iniesta and Xavi were tiny, perhaps they shouldn't have been given a chance? 

 

Or... 

a lot of united fans wish we didn't :D 

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Just now, Neal said:

Perhaps Mason Mount isn't good enough then? Perhaps Alli shouldn't have been playing for MK Dons at 16 then? Perhaps we shouldn't have taken a chance on Phil Jones? Or Derby shouldn't have given a debut to Will Hughes at 16 years old? 

 

I mean Iniesta and Xavi were tiny, perhaps they shouldn't have been given a chance? 

 

Or... 

And the lumbering giant Scholes? Or Sterling?

Size, like age doesn't matter.

 

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If you are good enough, size doesn't matter, but you have to be very good. 

I mean we can all name prodigies who started when they were 16,17 and 18, but the reality is they are in the minority. 

Buckley sounds a real prospect to be fair 

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Just now, arbitro said:

And the lumbering giant Scholes? Or Sterling?

Size, like age doesn't matter.

 

Have you said that before? 

Edited by Neal

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24 minutes ago, Neal said:

Perhaps Mason Mount isn't good enough then? Perhaps Alli shouldn't have been playing for MK Dons at 16 then? Perhaps we shouldn't have taken a chance on Phil Jones? Or Derby shouldn't have given a debut to Will Hughes at 16 years old? 

 

I mean Iniesta and Xavi were tiny, perhaps they shouldn't have been given a chance? 

 

Or... 

Mason Mount looks like Lou Ferrigno next to Buckley.

Astounding that people can name some of the best players in the country/world as an argument against questioning whether a novice, wiry lad can hold his own physically in the Championship yet or if this is an area they would like to see him improve.

Conditioning and strength is probably more important than ever in the modern game, it's quite the opposite of a Mike Bassett argument - every decent player in league football is a highly impressive athlete that would knock most of us flying. You can't just outrun, out tire or run rings round them. A central midfielder has to earn the right to play in this league and be able to hold their own on the ball in any.

Scholes was a little brick wall, Sterling one of the best athletes in world football right now. How much of a player would Dack or Graham be without their strength? Travis even is proper solid and can plow right through anyone - there is a massive difference in men's football to U23s.

"If your good enough your old enough" is a nice 70s Cloughism but you can't tell me he doesn't look a little lightweight.

I thought it was a fair question anyway...

But after that cameo at Hillsborough it seems some of you think we've got the next Messi (one of the most deceptively strong players of all time btw) and that he's the finished article of the Mbappe standard.

That's the same game where six-foot odd unit Magloire was shoulder barged about 20 feet by the Wednesday forward leading to a goal btw.

 

At least I got an answer to the question anyway! Sounds as though he's up to it.

 

 

Edited by S8 & Blue

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6 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

Plus Chapman has surely had his in-season pre-season by now and must be on the bench at least - if not there must be something in this contract rumour.

What contract rumour is that?

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2 hours ago, bluebruce said:

What contract rumour is that?

The one where it costs us money if he plays this season. Read it on here somewhere?

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4 hours ago, S8 & Blue said:

Mason Mount looks like Lou Ferrigno next to Buckley.

Astounding that people can name some of the best players in the country/world as an argument against questioning whether a novice, wiry lad can hold his own physically in the Championship yet or if this is an area they would like to see him improve.

Conditioning and strength is probably more important than ever in the modern game, it's quite the opposite of a Mike Bassett argument - every decent player in league football is a highly impressive athlete that would knock most of us flying. You can't just outrun, out tire or run rings round them. A central midfielder has to earn the right to play in this league and be able to hold their own on the ball in any.

Scholes was a little brick wall, Sterling one of the best athletes in world football right now. How much of a player would Dack or Graham be without their strength? Travis even is proper solid and can plow right through anyone - there is a massive difference in men's football to U23s.

"If your good enough your old enough" is a nice 70s Cloughism but you can't tell me he doesn't look a little lightweight.

I thought it was a fair question anyway...

But after that cameo at Hillsborough it seems some of you think we've got the next Messi (one of the most deceptively strong players of all time btw) and that he's the finished article of the Mbappe standard.

That's the same game where six-foot odd unit Magloire was shoulder barged about 20 feet by the Wednesday forward leading to a goal btw.

 

At least I got an answer to the question anyway! Sounds as though he's up to it.

 

 

Then what were Alli and Hughes like when making their debuts at 16? They sure weren't built like sh*t houses. We have a grade 1 academy along side some of the biggest clubs in the world, bringing through talent that's more than competing with their academies. You have to simply give these boys a chance. They won't be physically developed until they're in their 20's but physicality in modern football isn't everything, in fact it's a dying art. 

Edited by Neal

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I’d be interested to know whether it was the plan all along for us to mainly sign development squad players rather than first team players since promotion.

Johnson must be pleased that Mowbray keeps signing players for him. Shame that this approach is not something made obvious to supporters with the way they are announced as first team players.

 

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Michael I have been stopped from posting this by moderators. was hardly a shining example of physicality. 

OMG - You the the Michael i mean - scored against argentina and makes pointless football quotes.

Edited by JacknOry

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Aye but I have been stopped from posting this by moderators. was rapid, and played off the shoulder as a striker. Low centre of gravity too. 

I’m not saying Buckley is too slight just wondering if anyone might even consider it being that he’s a central midfielder.

Curse my blasphemous mouth.

Looking forward to seeing more of him either way. If he’s half the player Alli is he’ll do for us.

 

(he’s already half the weight 😜)

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