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Islamic fascism - no comment

Jeremy Corbyn , the friend of Hamas - no comment

Trade Union employing workers on zero hours contracts - no comment

None are so blind as those who will not see

Tory neo-liberalism screwing working people for 30 years - no comment.

David Cameron - Old Etonian toff who used to burn £10 notes in front of beggars in Oxford - no comment.

Zero hours contracts exploiting vulnerable people - no comment

The turkey that voted for Christmas.

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David Cameron - Old Etonian toff who used to burn £10 notes in front of beggars in Oxford - no comment.

No comment on the other 2, but I would class that as just being a knob head. Just like the knob heads at MANY away games I've been to where, none old etonian Blackburn fans have waved credit cards and wads of cash singing "2 pounds an hour" at the stewards.

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And Thatcher-lving southern fans used to wave wads of cash at northern fans back in the 1980s and shout "loadaamoney". There are those sort of people everywhere but that doesn't make their behaviour acceptable. If you look at the antics of the Bullingdon Club (supposedly intelligent people at an elite university) I would suggest their behaviour is far worse than football supporters. Perhaps you'd also like to comment on the previous poster's message.

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I did say both the fans and Cameron were Knob heads.

and not really, Labour and Conservatives are as bad as each other at this point in time. Although we have de-railed this thread somewhat.

Back to Donald Trump..

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Tory neo-liberalism screwing working people for 30 years - no comment.

David Cameron - Old Etonian toff who used to burn £10 notes in front of beggars in Oxford - no comment.

Zero hours contracts exploiting vulnerable people - no comment

The turkey that voted for Christmas.

I somewhat agree. Where I think we part ways, is that I believe Labour is as at least as bad, and maybe worse, than the Conservatives.

I did say both the fans and Cameron were Knob heads.

and not really, Labour and Conservatives are as bad as each other at this point in time. Although we have de-railed this thread somewhat.

Back to Donald Trump..

I think the meet the new boss, same as the old boss, pattern we see between Labour and the Conservatives (or Republican and Democrats, here in the USA), explains in large part the rise of UKIP in the UK and Donald Trump in the USA.

Edited by Steve Moss

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Tory neo-liberalism screwing working people for 30 years - no comment.

David Cameron - Old Etonian toff who used to burn £10 notes in front of beggars in Oxford - no comment.

Zero hours contracts exploiting vulnerable people - no comment

The turkey that voted for Christmas.

Professional hypocritical so called socialists

Disgusting Diane Abbott with her kid at a private school

John Prescott slagging off the House of Lords at every opportunity then taking a peerage when it was offered

Banging on about zero hours contracts when 68 Labour Mps over two years employed staff on guess what ? Zero hours contracts.

Edited by adopted scouser

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Professional hypocritical so called socialists

Disgusting Diane Abbott with her kid at a private school

John Prescott slagging off the House of Lords at every opportunity then taking a peerage when it was offered

Banging on about zero hours contracts when 68 Labour Mps over two years employed staff on guess what? Zero hours contracts.

I agree with the latter points, but being a lefty and sending your kids to private school isn't hypocritical. It's paying for an education potentially better than state schools.

If she lives in the catchment area of an 'outstanding' state school, but send her child to a 'good' private school, that would be hypocritical.

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I agree with the latter points, but being a lefty and sending your kids to private school isn't hypocritical. It's paying for an education potentially better than state schools.

If she lives in the catchment area of an 'outstanding' state school, but send her child to a 'good' private school, that would be hypocritical.

Being a lefty private schools would be anathema

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I agree with the latter points, but being a lefty and sending your kids to private school isn't hypocritical. It's paying for an education potentially better than state schools.

If she lives in the catchment area of an 'outstanding' state school, but send her child to a 'good' private school, that would be hypocritical.

Isn't it hypocritical in that it encourages the existence of a system that reinforces elitism and sustains the class system? If Labour truly are the party that supports good state-funded education and the nhs, then it strikes me as hypocritical in the extreme for their top brass to send their kids to private schools or use private healthcare. Do as I say, not as I do.

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Isn't it hypocritical in that it encourages the existence of a system that reinforces elitism and sustains the class system? If Labour truly are the party that supports good state-funded education and the nhs, then it strikes me as hypocritical in the extreme for their top brass to send their kids to private schools or use private healthcare. Do as I say, not as I do.

How is hypocritical to want the best education for your kids? That being said, I'm a little biased. I come from a working class family and my family did all they could to afford QEGS fees.

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How is hypocritical to want the best education for your kids? That being said, I'm a little biased. I come from a working class family and my family did all they could to afford QEGS fees.

State education, one of the cornerstones of socialism

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How is hypocritical to want the best education for your kids? That being said, I'm a little biased. I come from a working class family and my family did all they could to afford QEGS fees.

I've just said how it is. It depends on how deeply you want to think about it, you sound like you don't to be honest. An 8 word statement of "to want the best education for your kids" that is detached from any other implications is skimming the surface of the whole issue.

What about the existence of private schools hovering up many of the best teachers out there and therefore condemning kids of parents who can't afford them to a worse education than they would have received otherwise?

Or the closed shop culture of the whole system, whereby its harder to get into a private secondary if you didn't go to a private primary, and its harder to get into Oxbridge if you didn't go to a private secondary, and its harder to get certain jobs if you didn't go to Oxbridge.

I'm not necessarily saying private schools are a bad thing, quite undecided on the issue to be honest. But the fundamental tenet of Labour is that it represents the underprivileged majority. If I claimed to represent certain principles, and I believed in them strongly enough to represent others who agreed with me on their behalf (basically the function of an MP), I'd consider myself heinously hypocritical and shallow to abandon the principles whenever it could benefit me or my family.

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I've just said how it is. It depends on how deeply you want to think about it, you sound like you don't to be honest. An 8 word statement of "to want the best education for your kids" that is detached from any other implications is skimming the surface of the whole issue.

What about the existence of private schools hovering up many of the best teachers out there and therefore condemning kids of parents who can't afford them to a worse education than they would have received otherwise?

Or the closed shop culture of the whole system, whereby its harder to get into a private secondary if you didn't go to a private primary, and its harder to get into Oxbridge if you didn't go to a private secondary, and its harder to get certain jobs if you didn't go to Oxbridge.

I'm not necessarily saying private schools are a bad thing, quite undecided on the issue to be honest. But the fundamental tenet of Labour is that it represents the underprivileged majority. If I claimed to represent certain principles, and I believed in them strongly enough to represent others who agreed with me on their behalf (basically the function of an MP), I'd consider myself heinously hypocritical and shallow to abandon the principles whenever it could benefit me or my family.

Can't disagree with that. Incidentally I believe Corbyn had a divorce based on falling out about his insistence his kid went to state school.

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Although it pains me to say this as a fan of his, the man who (as a 21 year old) penned one of the greatest songs ever to touch on the subject of elitism, The Eton Rifles, sent his kids to - guess what - a private school.

And as an aside, bizarrely, David Cameron claims to have loved The Eton Rifles as a young man - wonder which bit of it he didn't understand?

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Although it pains me to say this as a fan of his, the man who (as a 21 year old) penned one of the greatest songs ever to touch on the subject of elitism, The Eton Rifles, sent his kids to - guess what - a private school.

And as an aside, bizarrely, David Cameron claims to have loved The Eton Rifles as a young man - wonder which bit of it he didn't understand?

Lots of Richard Heads have wrote good songs. I wouldn't worry about it. Great entertainers are often ar5seholes.

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Lots of Richard Heads have wrote good songs. I wouldn't worry about it. Great entertainers are often ar5seholes.

Russell Brand being the perfect example, mind you I would not really call him an entertainer as some do

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Cruz wins Iowa. http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/01/ted-cruz-wins-iowa-caucus-donald-trump-marco-rubio-2016-election

I was interested by this opening sentence:

Texas senator had a sophisticated ground game that recruited volunteers across the state and used detailed psychological profiling techniques to sway voters.

I think I prefer my GP's son knocking on the door to ask if I'd support his candidacy.

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One of our American posters may be able to advise properly, but will Ted Cruz be allowed to run? I ask as he was born in Canada wasn't he? I only remember that as it was something that would have potentially prevented Arnold Schwarzenegger from running when he was the governor of California......

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Can someone tell little old me how caucuses work? Seen as Clinton edged Sanders, does she just 'win' Iowa and get X amount of delegates? Or is it allocated proportionally according to vote share? Same for Republicans. Sorry if this is a stupid question.

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It's kind of up in the air, but it is most likely he would be able to be president.

The Constitution says Presidents must be "natural born citizens". The Supreme Court has never ruled on what that means precisely. Some take that to mean born on US territory. But the majority of court decisions seem to back up the definition that a candidate only needs to be a citizen "by birth", i.e. elligible for citizenship at birth.

Barry Goldwater was not born in the US, but won the nomination. Neither was Mitt's dad George Romney. John McCain was born in a US territory in Panama, so was deemed elligible.

So the weight of history suggests Cruz is fine. (Alothough hopefully he won't see too much success after winning in Iowa.)

Can someone tell little old me how caucuses work? Seen as Clinton edged Sanders, does she just 'win' Iowa and get X amount of delegates? Or is it allocated proportionally according to vote share? Same for Republicans. Sorry if this is a stupid question.

Delegates for both parties are allocated proportionally in Iowa. Edited by ultrablue

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Wow, wasn't expecting Sanders to push Clinton so close. Encouraging.

The rest of this will be fascinating. I think Trump is a complete lunatic, but a Trump/Sanders race for the White House, on top of what has happened in this country and around Europe, could cement the long-overdue death of the conventional politician. Cruz/Clinton sounds too much like the old status quo for my liking.

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One of our American posters may be able to advise properly, but will Ted Cruz be allowed to run? I ask as he was born in Canada wasn't he? I only remember that as it was something that would have potentially prevented Arnold Schwarzenegger from running when he was the governor of California......

It depends on the definition of "natural born citizen". The Supreme Court needs to rule on it.

I think anyone who has at least one American citizen parent is a natural born citizen, regardless of where one is born, or if one is born in the USA. Cruz' mother was American, but he was born in Canada. Romney's parents were both American, though he was born in Mexico. McCain's parents were American, but he was born in Panama. Obama's mother was American and he was born in Hawaii (or Kenya, depending if you ascribe to a conspiracy).

Both of Rubio's parents were non-citizens, but he was born in the USA.

All are natural born citizens.

Arnold Schwarznegger was born in Austria (I think) to Austrian parents. He is a naturalized citizen, not natural born. He was/is eligible for every political office except the Presidency.

Can someone tell little old me how caucuses work? Seen as Clinton edged Sanders, does she just 'win' Iowa and get X amount of delegates? Or is it allocated proportionally according to vote share? Same for Republicans. Sorry if this is a stupid question.

In Iowa, the delegates are awarded proportionally. A caucus ls like a primary, except there is a lot of speeches (and some shouting and fights) in a closed room before the voters vote.

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