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The Irish border question is getting sorted as the UK is building "border posts" to check goods going from Great Britain to Northern Ireland - you know the ones that Johnson has stated time and time again including an election promise would not be built. I remember it being dismissed as Project Fear.

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Starmer’s wrong. Brexit has only just started and the fallout and repercussions will reverberate for years. The debate goes on 

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6 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

Starmer’s wrong. Brexit has only just started and the fallout and repercussions will reverberate for years. The debate goes on 

I would think Starmer knows that, he's just playing a waiting game. 3 months from now things may look completely different.

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1 hour ago, Ewood Ace said:

If he'd have said that 6 months ago then we wouldn't be stuck with a Tory majority for the next 4 years.

We would though----with Corbyn.

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It’s a political decision by Starmer. He wants to give no opportunity for the Conservatives to blame Labour for not accepting the referendum result. He’s decided to let them sink on the impossibility of getting any sort of sensible deal by December. He can just sit on the sidelines and be able to say that he has taken them at their word that they can get this deal done.

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4 hours ago, only2garners said:

It’s a political decision by Starmer. He wants to give no opportunity for the Conservatives to blame Labour for not accepting the referendum result. He’s decided to let them sink on the impossibility of getting any sort of sensible deal by December. He can just sit on the sidelines and be able to say that he has taken them at their word that they can get this deal done.

The first rule in politics.

If your opponent is up shit creek, don't give them a paddle.

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A quick Brexit reminder.

Johnson resigned then voted twice against the May Deal which had a  border between the UK and Northern Ireland  as a back stop.

When he became PM, the EU stated there was no way they were going to re-negotiate the Withdrawal Agreement.

So Johnson needing a new agreement dusted off the EU's preferred position and gave them that.

So the Johnson deal makes the border between UK and Northern Ireland the starting position.

That's what the Tories voted for in January and is now in the binding international Treaty.

The fuckwit Tories bought this Cummings bullshit according to Steve Baker this morning (another bonus from Cummings Durham trips):

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12 hours ago, Ewood Ace said:

If he'd have said that 6 months ago then we wouldn't be stuck with a Tory majority for the next 4 years.

People didn't want Corbyn or his allies in number 10. People didn't want his policies either. 

The Labour party under Corbyn just didn't get normal working class people. 

Under Starmer? who knows? He hasn't done anything note so far. No policies or ideas from him so far. 

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1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

People didn't want Corbyn or his allies in number 10. People didn't want his policies either. 

The Labour party under Corbyn just didn't get normal working class people. 

The only big difference between the Labour in 2017 (where it got nearly 13 million votes) and Labour in 2019, was it's disastrous Brexit position. 

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Starmer hasn't been in post for five minutes and he's already got a public approval rating higher than Johnson.

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12 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

People didn't want Corbyn or his allies in number 10. People didn't want his policies either. 

The Labour party under Corbyn just didn't get normal working class people. 

Under Starmer? who knows? He hasn't done anything note so far. No policies or ideas from him so far. 

There won’t be any policies from him yet as we’ve got this corona virus business to attend to first. Not sure if you’d noticed? Everything else is on hold, so that’s a bit of a strange comment. 

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13 hours ago, jim mk2 said:

Starmer’s wrong.

Brexit has only just started and the fallout and repercussions will reverberate for years.

The debate goes on 

The Labour party has just been annihilated at the last election, Brexit was a major factor is that heavy defeat and you want to carry on the argument?

Talk about being out of touch, taxi to Malta maybe? 

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Just now, Gav said:

The Labour party has just been annihilated at the last election, Brexit was a major factor is that heavy defeat and you want to carry on the argument?

Talk about being out of touch, taxi to Malta maybe? 

 OK I'll bite. That's a stupid post.

The Brexit debate is about the future relationship with the EU and the rest of the world.

First is the Northern Ireland issue, which has raised its head again in the current EU-UK talks because Johnson told lies about the border in the Irish sea.

The debate will run for years because the problems arising from Brexit will go on a long time.

 

 

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24 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

People didn't want Corbyn or his allies in number 10. People didn't want his policies either. 

The Labour party under Corbyn just didn't get normal working class people. 

Under Starmer? who knows? He hasn't done anything note so far. No policies or ideas from him so far. 

Notice you didn't post the Opinium Poll for once?

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Gav, nothing of substance has been decided yet. We still don't know what sort of Brexit you are getting.

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Just now, philipl said:

Gav, nothing of substance has been decided yet. We still don't know what sort of Brexit you are getting.

I fully understand that Philip, but for me, I want to see the Labour party electable again and getting Brexit off the agenda will only enhance those chances.

 

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5 minutes ago, Gav said:

I fully understand that Philip, but for me, I want to see the Labour party electable again and getting Brexit off the agenda will only enhance those chances.

 

Brexit is the gift which will now never stop giving for opposition parties.

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49 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

People didn't want Corbyn or his allies in number 10. People didn't want his policies either. 

The Labour party under Corbyn just didn't get normal working class people. 

Under Starmer? who knows? He hasn't done anything note so far. No policies or ideas from him so far. 

 

Congratulations to the first recipient of the Irrelevant Corbyn Award

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4 hours ago, Ewood Ace said:

The only big difference between the Labour in 2017 (where it got nearly 13 million votes) and Labour in 2019, was it's disastrous Brexit position. 

Labour hasnt won the last 4 elections..did you miss this? The British public rejected them every time. 

Corbyn delivered Labour's worst election result since1935

4 hours ago, only2garners said:

Starmer hasn't been in post for five minutes and he's already got a public approval rating higher than Johnson.

And he hasnt down anything thing so far. We see what his approval ratings are when we see his policies and his performances in debates. 

4 hours ago, K-Hod said:

There won’t be any policies from him yet as we’ve got this corona virus business to attend to first. Not sure if you’d noticed? Everything else is on hold, so that’s a bit of a strange comment. 

Of course yes we have coronavirus at the minute but we could get this on yearly basis. Who knows. After seeing the Sky News reports on this markets in Asia we could get hit more unless they shut them down. 

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3 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Corbyn delivered Labour's worst election result since1935

 

And there it is again.

Second award goes to the person who won the first.

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22 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

And he hasnt down anything thing so far. We see what his approval ratings are when we see his policies and his performances in debates. 

Well, he's certainly flustered Johnson at PMQs a few times now. The Conservatives are desperate to get more MPs in the house so their jeering can drown out the flapping.

You aren't going to see any new policies any time soon. It's years until the next election unless something amazing happens so there's no point in developing policies now that will be out of date by then.

Right now he doesn't need to do anything - the Government are tying themselves in enough knots without any pressing from the opposition.

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