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1 hour ago, Darren Brown said:

I may have missed the boat on this one, but I'd agree that the reason the programme is so poor is down to a lack of focus/communication from within the club, and probably the lack of anyone there giving a toss, I would imagine it is a nightmare trying to get info out of them in time for print deadlines. I bought one for the Burnley game, and won't bother buying another this season. And as others have said, I was really impressed with the quality and content of the Rochdale programme.

I worked as the graphic designer on the Rovers programme from '98 (1st: pre-season friendly vs PSV) till 2005 (last: Tony Parkes testimonial) as a fan it was a pleasure to work on, I visited Brockhall, the media centre at the ground 'Drumhawk' it was called, for some strange reason, and once spoke to both Graeme Souness and Brad Friedel when they rang to alter their columns. I always put in the effort to make the programme the best I could in both design and content - sometimes researching info myself to put in, but sadly that seems to be missing now.

It is a pity that some of the Radio Rovers staff could not have been retained in some capacity on this perhaps - or the club try to recruit Rovers supporting / locally based media agency to take this on board?

You did a good job, the programme was excellent then.

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I can see why we could be one of them, i really hope not though just for the simple reason my lad loves collecting them.

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Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if Rovers are one of those clubs looking to do away with the matchday programme. What was a poor product has gradually got worse and having purchased every programme this season I can confidently say Rovers' is one of the worst going in the league in quality, content and volume.

There's no excuse for it and it is purely about how much effort a club wants to make. 

Rovers will trot out the old excuse that there's no money to be made on programmes which might well be right but that doesn't explain how so many other clubs in the 3rd and 4th divisions manage to produce a vastly superior product and charge the same price for it. Rochdale and Bristol Rovers had excellent programmes full of interesting material.

Next week with a bumper crowd on you might expect Rovers to produce a special promotion programme crammed full of interviews, photos, coverage of the season, make it a promotion celebration souvenir edition, include stuff about the Under 23s magnificent efforts this season, I'm not optimistic about it, I expect another pitiful effort. 

People might call it complaining for the sake of it but I see it as something the club should take pride in and use as a selling point for the club.

 

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On 8/14/2017 at 10:50, JHRover said:

Picked up the first edition of the new Rovers programme on Saturday. The new cover design features an old map of Blackburn and this week had a picture of Danny Graham and Blackburn Cathedral. It seems each edition will feature a different player and 'landmark' of the area on the cover.

Got me wondering how on earth they are going to manage to find 24-26 landmarks from Blackburn to have on each programme cover this season.

Expect to see Darwen Tower, Town Hall, King George's Hall, Railway Station, after that can't think of many other things they could use.

Just looking back through this thread - did they find enough 'landmarks' in the end to last a season? Must have been struggling once we got past about October...

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Sure they had the monstrosity that is ‘The Mall’ one week.

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14 minutes ago, arbitro said:

There is an interesting item on the agenda at today's EFL AGM regarding match programmes.

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11398002/efl-agm-to-get-underway-on-friday-with-clubs-expected-to-vote-on-number-of-issues

Surely in the advent of all things digital there is absolutely no reason for the EFL and officials from clubs to go swanning off to Portugal each year, everything can be done over a skype conference or similar .Be a lot cheaper considering the EFL are always complaining of being skint

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24 minutes ago, perthblue02 said:

Surely in the advent of all things digital there is absolutely no reason for the EFL and officials from clubs to go swanning off to Portugal each year, everything can be done over a skype conference or similar .Be a lot cheaper considering the EFL are always complaining of being skint

In the next few weeks an army of English blazers will be flying business class to Russia and staying in five star hotels whilst dining out on expenses. Bottom feeders are more prevalent in football than anywhere else.

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A dark day. We are heading towards monthly fanzines and, potentially, annual membership with monthly subscription (rather than season tickets).

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What are the odds on Rovers deciding not to produce a programme? I reckon they will have one eye on not doing.

Have any clubs announced they won't be bothering following the rule change? I've noticed a few who have said they will continue to print a programme irrespective of the rule.

You can understand it to some extent at the top Premier League clubs with truly global support - simplifies things to churn out a digital product for their worldwide fanbases - and at League Two clubs getting a couple of thousand on it might not be worth the effort given the amount of programmes they sell - but Rovers should buck up their ideas on this and start producing a programme worthy of the £3 price.

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A premier league press officer today tweeted unequivocally that there is no future in digital editions. 

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Apart from the manager’s column, pen pictures of opponents and key previous meetings, there’s very little in a programme that isn’t easily available online. Maybe EFL should resurrect the old Football League Review idea and include in every clubs’ programme a kind of mini 442. Producing 32 pages of interesting and new content every other week is both expensive and difficult for each club. Maybe each club should just produce the 4 pages of match relevant content coupled with the mini 442 which they each get for 1/72 of the cost of production.

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Programmes have been produced for decades. They haven’t suddenly got more difficult to produce but they standards and content certainly have. As a result, and combined with far lower gates, sales are not what they once were.

With Facebook and Twitter and their own club apps, I can’t see how the paper copy will survive. But that has been said about newspapers for at least 10 years.

Shame really but I stopped buying them ages ago because there was little to nothing in there of interest.

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Yet virtually every other League One club managed to produce a far more professional, interesting, wide-ranging, better-written édition than Rovers. 

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13 hours ago, meadows said:

A premier league press officer today tweeted unequivocally that there is no future in digital editions. 

Sounds like said officer is a dinsaur. If he can't see a future in an interactive, content driven digital programme that's his own issue, thankfully the Premier League have a creative department. 

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The latest fans forum minutes recorded a discussion related to this. The club seem to subscribe to the view (which I agree with) that people purchase them from a collective standpoint rather than content. Needless to say there's enough information overload online and the club site lacks imagination anyway. I don't want to get started on a long winded debate about the potential pitfalls of publishing in print. At least with the programme people know what they are purchasing. I never used premium rate clubcall (was younger than and besides most people had Ceefax and Teletext) which is absolutely redundant now. Some of the people who produced content for those phone lines used to make up complete rubbish and rip fans off. Very professional. Maybe adults should always know better than to fall for such scams but kids wouldn't have.  

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I collect programmes insofar as every match I go to I buy one, and I've done that for the last 7-8 years. I find it a source of embarrassment that Rovers continue to charge £3 a time whilst producing probably the worst programme in the league.

All the excuses about declining sales, content, difficulties in producing a programme, shifting to digital platforms all fall flat on their face when you consider the quality of programmes on offer at clubs like Rochdale and Bristol Rovers this season in League One.

The only ones that were possibly worse than Rovers' were Blackpool and Fleetwood. Fleetwood produced essentially a leaflet and only charged £1 for it whilst Blackpool are hardly a model club to set our standards by.

How can it be that those other far smaller clubs, with much smaller fanbases and staffing levels, can find the time, effort and need to produce far superior programmes at the same price?

If it really is such a burden on the club to make one then how come every club doesn't take the option of churning out a flimsy cheap effort like Rovers do?

Bristol Rovers as an example - their programme was more than twice the size of ours, packed full of information and things worth reading, including past meetings between the clubs and various bits of trivia. They only charged £3 for it and their gates are smaller than ours - so how can it be worthwhile for them and not for us?

The word is 'effort'. Some clubs take pride in appearance, others can't be bothered with it and do the bare minimum to get by.

 

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In the age of information overload are details of past meetings (particularly when there's excessive promotion of the opposition) and trivia really worth reading? There's a reason trivia is short for trivial. It might be better to produce nothing (at the moment producing programmes is still mandatory anyway) than a flimsy effort for the sake of image though. Perhaps more outspoken columns, etc (could still have a reduced number of pages but the "quality over quantity" approach) but with the manager for instance that's not really his style. 

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An example I'll use is the Under 23s. Last season the coverage of their games and results in the matchday programme was appalling. They didn't even bother to display the u23s fixtures.

Now I can understand some people might not be interested in learning about past meetings with the opposition or players who have featured for both, but keeping supporters in the loop with what is happening in the u23s, especially when they are winning the league and need all the support possible, yet the club doesn't even bother to let people know about their fixtures in the programme, is shameful.

If they really treat such things with such contempt then it would be more acceptable to 'do a Fleetwood' and just produce a small pamphlet with the teams and managers notes and charge a quid for it. At least that would be acceptance that the product is inferior and so should cost less. But this continuing to charge £3 in line with the other clubs whilst making nowhere near the effort that smaller and less well supported clubs make, is wrong.

The proof will be in the pudding this summer. Rather than taking steps to improve the product and 'catch up' with our rivals we'll be going the other way and I suspect working towards abolishing the programme or if not then diluting it further.

In terms of making the effort I suspect they could ask any one of numerous retired supporters if they'd be prepared to spend an afternoon every couple of weeks putting together some notes and information together, probably even on a voluntary basis, as plenty of people would enjoy the task of doing it, and would come up with something better than what we had last season, which looked like it had been cobbled together on someone's lunch break.

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Exactly Jack. Written or digital if the people designing, compiling, researching and writing are sloppy, slapdash, prone to innacuraxy, error and a “will this do?” mindset then there is no reason to imagine content will be any way superior whether it’s in the form of a paper programme or otherwise. 

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4 hours ago, J*B said:

Sounds like said officer is a dinsaur. If he can't see a future in an interactive, content driven digital programme that's his own issue, thankfully the Premier League have a creative department. 

I’ll bet he can spell ‘dinosaur’ however. 

Aren’t the “Premier League Creative Department” engaged full time dreaming up admission prices?

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