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Suicide is usually incredibly selfless in it's intention. Obviously, someone contemplating suicide isn't thinking straight, but having spoken to people who come within a hair's breadth, they usually believe sacrificing themselves will improve the lives of their loved ones.

It's not usually viewed as an escape from debt or criticism or whatever. It's usually 'everyone wants me to die, maybe I should'.

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22 hours ago, Inglorious basturk said:

A vile and misinformed comment . Your lack of understanding regarding mental health is astounding . Also a complete lie that you haven’t heard of someone . 

In what way is my remark misinformed?

As for a lack of understanding on mental health issues you are completely wrong as it's something I have much real life experience of.

Why would I lie about whether or not I know who Caroline Flack was? Can you explain why I should know who she is? I'm aware of Love Island but have never watched it. I've very occassionaly seen X factor.

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20 hours ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

Ok, I'll bite. 

How is it selfish?

I'm not asking anyone to bite but expressing my view. As I see it there is no way to describe how difficult it must be for someone to carry out the act. It seems to me the drivers are to end their misery and to end a skewed idea it will protect those around them. This is what makes me feel it's selfish as the reverse is true with regard to those left behnd.

I wasn't going to comment on why I've some understanding of mental health issues but I've changed my mind.

I know four people with diagnosed bi polar. One chose me, no one else, to confide in. I don't know why. I knew nothing about the disease. For four months I was the only person who knew. More people know now and the person is, nearly three years later, well on the road to recovery. During those four months, when I was sworn to secrecy, I tried to understand and learn what to do from zero knowledge. My every action was about trying to help and equally I worried constantly if any of my actions were contributing to or worsening the illness. It was a torture for me. Only my friend knows how it was for her.

Second my best friend in life, that's in 65 years, suffers from this terrible illness. The illness is controlled through medication but cannot be increased further. I know through everything I see things over the last two years have driven my friend to the point whereby I no longer understand how life is being held together. This is the strongest person I know. I feel I do know the one thing which stops my friend totally falling apart. I worry every hour of every day as I try to find ways to help. Things are at a point in recent months where every effort fails.

So I feel I understand something of what those with mental illness face. I also have real understanding of the impact this has on those who love and care for them the most.

Finally I'll add that despite my best effort this post can be read as though it is about me. It isn't. It's a probably very poor attempt to explain why I understand a little because it can only ever be a little - which saddens me every day.

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15 hours ago, Husky said:

Moving back onto somebody with some actual talent:

Weatherall was brilliant, no doubt about that and a sad loss. He was the same age as me as well, which is always a very sobering thought.

However, I think your comment is a bit harsh mate, to be honest. Don't be fooled into thinking that Caroline Flack wasn't extremely talented. She was an excellent TV presenter and a superb dancer as well. The fact that you or I might not have been into the shows she was involved in doesn't mean she wasn't a very talented young lady. Apologies if I come across as a grumpy sod but it did hit a bit of a raw nerve with me that comment.

 

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7 hours ago, Paul said:

In what way is my remark misinformed?

As for a lack of understanding on mental health issues you are completely wrong as it's something I have much real life experience of.

Why would I lie about whether or not I know who Caroline Flack was? Can you explain why I should know who she is? I'm aware of Love Island but have never watched it. I've very occassionaly seen X factor.

Come on mate , hand back the spade . 

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7 hours ago, Paul said:

I'm not asking anyone to bite but expressing my view. As I see it there is no way to describe how difficult it must be for someone to carry out the act. It seems to me the drivers are to end their misery and to end a skewed idea it will protect those around them. This is what makes me feel it's selfish as the reverse is true with regard to those left behnd.

I wasn't going to comment on why I've some understanding of mental health issues but I've changed my mind.

I know four people with diagnosed bi polar. One chose me, no one else, to confide in. I don't know why. I knew nothing about the disease. For four months I was the only person who knew. More people know now and the person is, nearly three years later, well on the road to recovery. During those four months, when I was sworn to secrecy, I tried to understand and learn what to do from zero knowledge. My every action was about trying to help and equally I worried constantly if any of my actions were contributing to or worsening the illness. It was a torture for me. Only my friend knows how it was for her.

Second my best friend in life, that's in 65 years, suffers from this terrible illness. The illness is controlled through medication but cannot be increased further. I know through everything I see things over the last two years have driven my friend to the point whereby I no longer understand how life is being held together. This is the strongest person I know. I feel I do know the one thing which stops my friend totally falling apart. I worry every hour of every day as I try to find ways to help. Things are at a point in recent months where every effort fails.

So I feel I understand something of what those with mental illness face. I also have real understanding of the impact this has on those who love and care for them the most.

Finally I'll add that despite my best effort this post can be read as though it is about me. It isn't. It's a probably very poor attempt to explain why I understand a little because it can only ever be a little - which saddens me every day.

But you haven’t actually Personally  contemplated that the world would be a better place without you on it ?.........

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4 hours ago, oldjamfan1 said:

Weatherall was brilliant, no doubt about that and a sad loss. He was the same age as me as well, which is always a very sobering thought.

However, I think your comment is a bit harsh mate, to be honest. Don't be fooled into thinking that Caroline Flack wasn't extremely talented. She was an excellent TV presenter and a superb dancer as well. The fact that you or I might not have been into the shows she was involved in doesn't mean she wasn't a very talented young lady. Apologies if I come across as a grumpy sod but it did hit a bit of a raw nerve with me that comment.

 

Agreed on all counts , perhaps there was a time I’d think it was superior to like the cool techno DJ over the lady from the dancing but I grew out pit that thankfully 

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I watched the Jimmy Greaves documentary last night (I thought he was just someone that was on TV back in the late 80s and early 90s - Saint & Greavsie on ITV for me - before Sky killed everything). But supposedly he also kicked a ball around way back before professional football was invented.

Anyway, it was basically an Obituary. I had to look the guy up. 😑

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1 hour ago, Husky said:

I watched the Jimmy Greaves documentary last night (I thought he was just someone that was on TV back in the late 80s and early 90s - Saint & Greavsie on ITV for me - before Sky killed everything). But supposedly he also kicked a ball around way back before professional football was invented.

Anyway, it was basically an Obituary. I had to look the guy up. 😑

Damian Duff, Matt Jansen, Andy Cole all in one body. Possibly the best pure goalscorer I ever saw.

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On 19/02/2020 at 13:35, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Damian Duff, Matt Jansen, Andy Cole all in one body. Possibly the best pure goalscorer I ever saw.

 

Greaves would thrive in any era but modern teams would slaughter teams from the 60's.

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1 hour ago, philipl said:

 

Greaves would thrive in any era but modern teams would slaughter teams from the 60's.

Nice finish to the the video. Maybe they would slaughter them but do they entertain us like the old teams Phil ? I'd say not even slightly. Greaves would be a star in any era, he was a one off. Watching that what's missing is the knee slides, team dances, corner flag kicking etc. Maybe that's what passes for entertainment these days.

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2 minutes ago, KS Cracovia said:

Eddie Large. One of unfunniest people ever. Utter dross. Little and Large. Dear me. 

I agree. Died of Corona virus.

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1 hour ago, KS Cracovia said:

Eddie Large. One of unfunniest people ever. Utter dross. Little and Large. Dear me. 

He wasn't my cup of tea, but really? Posting this at his passing? Poor do mate and completely unnecessary.

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6 minutes ago, oldjamfan1 said:

He wasn't my cup of tea, but really? Posting this at his passing? Poor do mate and completely unnecessary.

Its a football forum mate not the family twitter feed  ???

He was poor at best. 

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1 minute ago, KS Cracovia said:

Its a football forum mate not the family twitter feed  ???

He was poor at best. 

So was your post. The equivalent of posting "Peter Whittingham was shit" (which, if we are being honest, he was for Rovers) an hour after his death was announced.  Absolutely no need for it.

And by the way, I'm no snowflake, but your motivation - behind the cloak of an internet pseudonym - to post how 'poor' the bloke was just after his death was announced says more about you than it does about the quality of Little and Large's comedy.

 

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Posted (edited)

I too thought little and large were poor but he was a human being with family and friends and the comment is in very poor taste. John Donne had it right when he said Each man's death diminishes me or whatever the exact line was.

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5 minutes ago, gumboots said:

I too thought little and large were poor but he was a human being with family and friends and the comment is in very poor taste. John Donne had it right when he said Each man's death diminishes me or whatever the exact line was.

Yes, and " Ask not for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for you ".

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1 hour ago, KS Cracovia said:

He died years ago mate. Around 1983.

Completely out of order. 

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9 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

Completely out of order. 

I agree, the relevant action has been taken.

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Tony Lewis, co-inventor of the Duckworth/Lewis method of resolving weather-affected cricket matches, has passed away also today, coincidentally at the same age as Eddie Large. 

RIP to both of 'em.

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59 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Sounds like the bell has tolled for KS Cracovia.

Not permanently, but for a bit certainly.

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