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1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

Lambert has said he will stay at the club and Evans said on 17th/18th January that Lambert and his staff will stay for next season despite whatever happens over the rest of the summer. 

Lambert wants to restructure the club playing staff. it will be major rebuilding job player staff wise. I suspect it will be major rebuilding job. 

also recently Ipswich owner Marcus Evans has taken on a more of hands on role

https://www.twtd.co.uk/ipswich-town-news/35297/town-confirm-lambert-and-staff-will-stay-even-if-blues-go-down

Yes fans are behind him massively. 

no they haven't falling for his sound bites and gimmicks but they seen a manager who has a similar views to them. 

Hurst wasted 5 mil pounds on league 1 players. who weren't good enough for Championship quality football

The thing that you  are unwilling to accept is that with the same group of players, barring signings Lambert has made, his results have been even WORSE than Hursts. Theres no dressing that up. Whatever his "views are" whatever that means.

You say he knows what he needs in terms of recruitment but what is that even based on. Hes brought in a lorry load of loans and players on short term contracts. They have not made a positive impact on results and ultimately are not a symptom of a manager with a plan in terms of next season, as playing them (Will Keane and Callum Elder are total crap and not an improvement) is at the cost of players who are contracted there long term, quite a few of which are proven in League 1.

Seems that as long as the manager tells them what they want to hear, as @JHRover points out, that comes before getting good results to Ipswich fans.

Not to get lost in my post, my main 2 points are that:

- His record is factually worse than Hurst

- He is not building for next season with all of these short term signings

Seemingly it is impossible for you to put your personal bias towards him to one side and judge him on the job hes doing. He might be a nice bloke but hes a woeful football manager.

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Ipswich will have to have an overhaul if they go down anyway, that usually happens. 

Hardly surprising they were beaten yesterday, even with it being their local rivals, Norwich are top of the league and Ipswich are rock bottom.

I agree with JH Rover re Lambert, if he doesn't stay there, he will struggle to get another job ever again really. He's now got a reputation as a bit of a quitter, so he needs to rebuild said reputation by staying somewhere a while and doing the business. Whether he sticks around to make that happen or not remains to be seen.

Either way, Ipswich are doomed and have been for quite some time. 

It all comes back to the fact that the Ipswich fans should have been careful what they wished for when they hounded out Mick McCarthy, who ironically would have been one of the only managers that could have rescued them from the mess Hurst left them in. 

 

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If you look at the top of the league one table we really got out of that league at the right time. Sunderland, Luton, Barnsley, Portsmouth and Charlton all decent sized clubs at that level and all performing fairly strongly. Makes automatic promotion for Ipswich next season very difficult as a minimum of 2 of those will still be in the league. 

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19 minutes ago, JeffRover said:

If you look at the top of the league one table we really got out of that league at the right time. Sunderland, Luton, Barnsley, Portsmouth and Charlton all decent sized clubs at that level and all performing fairly strongly. Makes automatic promotion for Ipswich next season very difficult as a minimum of 2 of those will still be in the league. 

Add to that two of Reading, Bolton, Rotherham and Millwall. Also Peterborough are usually fairly strong at that level. Ipswich will find it very tough in my opinion - especially as their owner doesn't flash the cash much. 

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1 hour ago, JeffRover said:

If you look at the top of the league one table we really got out of that league at the right time. Sunderland, Luton, Barnsley, Portsmouth and Charlton all decent sized clubs at that level and all performing fairly strongly. Makes automatic promotion for Ipswich next season very difficult as a minimum of 2 of those will still be in the league. 

Yeah, last season there was us and Wigan, by far the best equipped of clubs in that league with by far the biggest budgets, then the Shrewsbury anomaly, and other than that the rest were way behind us.

Looking at it this season the top 6 or 7 seem to be further away than the rest but more closely bunched together, any only really Luton are unexpectedly there. I think Barnsley, Sunderland, Portsmouth and Charlton would have been strongly tipped to get a top 6 slot. I wouldn't have fancied our chances looking at that pack.

I don't like Luton but I kind of hope they do it and get promoted, just because I would see Sunderland, Portsmouth or Charlton as a bigger threat next season, whereas Luton might struggle more. It would also be funny to see Sunderland fail to go up.

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11 minutes ago, JHRover said:

It would also be funny to see Sunderland fail to go up.

Hilarious. The new Netflix documentary would have to be re-filmed next season.

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Lambert is a complete quitter, a fake. He couldn't be bothered to go for the long term here, and used our mental owners as an excuse, couldn't get a reasonable Stoke squad to achieve anything and is now getting worse results than the previous manager. If or when he quits Ipswich, he can only hope for some job in the Chinese 3rd division or as a pundit on a foreign satellite channel.

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9 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

The thing that you  are unwilling to accept is that with the same group of players, barring signings Lambert has made, his results have been even WORSE than Hursts. Theres no dressing that up. Whatever his "views are" whatever that means.

You say he knows what he needs in terms of recruitment but what is that even based on. Hes brought in a lorry load of loans and players on short term contracts. They have not made a positive impact on results and ultimately are not a symptom of a manager with a plan in terms of next season, as playing them (Will Keane and Callum Elder are total crap and not an improvement) is at the cost of players who are contracted there long term, quite a few of which are proven in League 1.

Seems that as long as the manager tells them what they want to hear, as @JHRover points out, that comes before getting good results to Ipswich fans.

Not to get lost in my post, my main 2 points are that:

- His record is factually worse than Hurst

- He is not building for next season with all of these short term signings

Seemingly it is impossible for you to put your personal bias towards him to one side and judge him on the job hes doing. He might be a nice bloke but hes a woeful football manager.

so its not the same group of players is it? Majority of Hurst's signings aren't playing or good enough. 

Why don't you take the time to speak to Ipswich fans and get their views on Lambert and why so many are behind? But you refuse to do so? wonder why cos you wont like the answers. 

lorry load of loans and players on short term contracts? he signed 7 players, 3 permanent signings and 4 loans. hardly a lorry load is it. 

Wasn't Elder signed on loan cos Knuzden was set to leave but his move never happened. Will Keane is better than what Hurst signed forward wise. 

Collins is an experience player, Judge is on short term contract but if he does well there he signed a longer deal. like a trial to a longer deal. sensible especially with his injury record. 

who proven in league 1? 1 season of doing well isn't proven IMO. Looking at their squad for next season https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/ipswich-town/kadernaechstesaison/verein/677 

I would be selling Jackson, Huws, Rowe, Roberts, Skuse and Harrison. 

Then signed between 10 to 12 new players including a complete new back 4 and 3 strikers. 

Lambert and their owner both said Lambert is there for long haul. wont get a better job IMO at the stage of his career

 

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8 hours ago, old darwen blue said:

If there still is a Bolton 

Aye good shout that. I can remember that Garside rubbing his hands at a certain club being deducted 15pts. 

Good. I hope you do a Rangers at have to start at the very bottom. 

He who laughs last....clowns.

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25 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Why don't you take the time to speak to Ipswich fans and get their views on Lambert and why so many are behind? But you refuse to do so? wonder why cos you wont like the answers.

Are those the same Ipswich fans that wanted McCarthy out?

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26 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

so its not the same group of players is it? Majority of Hurst's signings aren't playing or good enough. 

Why don't you take the time to speak to Ipswich fans and get their views on Lambert and why so many are behind? But you refuse to do so? wonder why cos you wont like the answers. 

lorry load of loans and players on short term contracts? he signed 7 players, 3 permanent signings and 4 loans. hardly a lorry load is it. 

Wasn't Elder signed on loan cos Knuzden was set to leave but his move never happened. Will Keane is better than what Hurst signed forward wise. 

Collins is an experience player, Judge is on short term contract but if he does well there he signed a longer deal. like a trial to a longer deal. sensible especially with his injury record. 

who proven in league 1? 1 season of doing well isn't proven IMO. Looking at their squad for next season https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/ipswich-town/kadernaechstesaison/verein/677 

I would be selling Jackson, Huws, Rowe, Roberts, Skuse and Harrison. 

Then signed between 10 to 12 new players including a complete new back 4 and 3 strikers. 

Lambert and their owner both said Lambert is there for long haul. wont get a better job IMO at the stage of his career

 

I hate to speak like Rafa Benitez but I am dealing with facts here.

Hurst got sacked after 9 points from 15 points, an embarrassingly low number of points, and was deservedly sacked.

Lambert has since taken the same squad that Hurst had, presumably expecting at least some sort of improvement on Hursts sorry points total. He has since gone on and accumulated 9 points from 16 games. Why does he deserve any longer in the job?

On top of the squad that Hurst had, which he has got even less from than Hurst got, he has been able to bring in 7 players (two thirds of a team essentially) on short term deals. Losses in their last 4 games suggests that his work in the transfer market has not improved them at all.

Further to this, the work he is doing is very short term. Judge seemed a good signing before he stuck him out wide every week. Will Keane is dog shit, Callum Elder is dog shit, Dawkins is dog shit, and any minutes they play are done neither to the benefit of the short term or the long term, which they wont be around for, Neither will Collins, Quaner or Bree next season.

I have no care for Ipswich fans opinions, their opinions have proved to be meaningless with how they see McCarthy. I only care about results. Lambert might talk a good game, he did here, banging on about what hes learnt in Germany etc, slagging off the job that previous managers or owners have done to curry favour, paying for coach travel as a gimmick to take the spotlight slightly away from the fact that his team is losing every week by showing what a lovely man he is.

I am giving you why I think Paul Lambert is very lucky to still be in a job, in cold, hard, black and white facts. Talking to biased supporters would not make a difference to my opinion. My opinion is solely based on point accumulation, and it is pretty water tight based on what I have said above.

The fact of the matter is, you are refusing to acknowledge that Lamberts record with the same players Hurst add with some of his own players on top is even worse than his predecessor. For me, if Hursts record warranted dismissal, and it did, so equally does Lamberts. End of.

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Some serious disorder after the Boro/Leeds game on Saturday. Police totally lost control on Albert Road. Proper 80s/early 90s set toos all over the place. No police escort for 1000s of Leeds heading to the station and needing no excuse to break off the main convoy into the back streets behind the shops/bars to front the locals off Albert Road. One set too under the bridge was a good 5 minutes long with no police anywhere. Bodies all over the place. 

Give Leeds 4,500 at Boro and make it an early ko (1pm) but the police got it very very wrong.

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7 hours ago, Norbert Rassragr said:

Lambert is a complete quitter, a fake. He couldn't be bothered to go for the long term here, and used our mental owners as an excuse, couldn't get a reasonable Stoke squad to achieve anything and is now getting worse results than the previous manager. If or when he quits Ipswich, he can only hope for some job in the Chinese 3rd division or as a pundit on a foreign satellite channel.

In fairness, the owners (or their adviser(s)) did appear to lie to Lambert about the kind of funds he'd have available. Whether that makes him leaving right or wrong is open to debate, but if you don't trust your bosses and they've massively lied to you within months or taking the job (and you put a get out clause in your contract assumedly because you weren't 100% sure if they could be trusted) then it's hard to be too critical on him for walking away. Stoke's squad was really poor and I think their performance this season in the Championship shows a lot of those players were never very good to begin with. Rowett and now Jones haven't been able to halt their slide either. He was very lucky to get that job but they needed a proper firefighter like Allardyce to have any hope of staying in the PL. 

If he quits Ipswich then yes, I'd think he's done for a while at any decent level. He has improved their general play (they actually played quite well against Norwich in spells) but he hasn't been able to cut out their defensive mistakes and his short term signings all look well short of the standard needed to get Ipswich the points they need, which begs the question of why they were signed in the first place. Judge is decent but being played on the wing. Quaner and Keane no better than what Ipswich already had. Same for the likes of Bree. Just desperation signings with no real purpose. At least we got a couple of decent players in Graham and Bennett. Ipswich might as well have signed nobody at all. 

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3 minutes ago, DE. said:

In fairness, the owners (or their adviser(s)) did appear to lie to Lambert about the kind of funds he'd have available. Whether that makes him leaving right or wrong is open to debate, but if you don't trust your bosses and they've massively lied to you within months or taking the job (and you put a get out clause in your contract assumedly because you weren't 100% sure if they could be trusted) then it's hard to be too critical on him for walking away. Stoke's squad was really poor and I think their performance this season in the Championship shows a lot of those players were never very good to begin with. Rowett and now Jones haven't been able to halt their slide either. He was very lucky to get that job but they needed a proper firefighter like Allardyce to have any hope of staying in the PL. 

If he quits Ipswich then yes, I'd think he's done for a while at any decent level. He has improved their general play (they actually played quite well against Norwich in spells) but he hasn't been able to cut out their defensive mistakes and his short term signings all look well short of the standard needed to get Ipswich the points they need, which begs the question of why they were signed in the first place. Judge is decent but being played on the wing. Quaner and Keane no better than what Ipswich already had. Same for the likes of Bree. Just desperation signings with no real purpose. At least we got a couple of decent players in Graham and Bennett. Ipswich might as well have signed nobody at all. 

Hes obviously not inherited good situations in particular in his last 2 jobs, my point is based around how he has not caused even a minor improvement at either club, in fact he has overseen a very slight reduction in points per game.

Last season at Stoke, Mark Hughes was understandably sacked after a shocking run of 20 points from 22 games, 0.91 points per game. With such a low benchmark, even with not the best squad in the world, you'd expect a new manager to oversee even a slight improvement, fresh ideas, new manager bounce etc. Following a game with Lambert in the stands and a caretaker on the touchline, Lambert oversaw 13 points from 15 games (3 of which came in a dead rubber on the last day) accumulating 0.87 points per game.

Same at Ipswich. Hurst undoubtedly did a woeful job, picking up 9 points from 15 games, 0.6 points per game. Lambert has picked up the same squad, added to it, and picked up 9 points from 16 games, 0.56 points per game. Piss poor.

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8 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Hes obviously not inherited good situations in particular in his last 2 jobs, my point is based around how he has not caused even a minor improvement at either club, in fact he has overseen a very slight reduction in points per game.

Last season at Stoke, Mark Hughes was understandably sacked after a shocking run of 20 points from 22 games, 0.91 points per game. With such a low benchmark, even with not the best squad in the world, you'd expect a new manager to oversee even a slight improvement, fresh ideas, new manager bounce etc. Following a game with Lambert in the stands and a caretaker on the touchline, Lambert oversaw 13 points from 15 games (3 of which came in a dead rubber on the last day) accumulating 0.87 points per game.

Same at Ipswich. Hurst undoubtedly did a woeful job, picking up 9 points from 15 games, 0.6 points per game. Lambert has picked up the same squad, added to it, and picked up 9 points from 16 games, 0.56 points per game. Piss poor.

No argument from me. My main concern as an Ipswich fan right now would be the new signings, which seem absolutely pointless. Their squad when Lambert arrived was nowhere near the required standard, and multiple signings later it's still nowhere near. If you're going to buy Alan Judge at least play him in his correct position, otherwise why not buy a wide midfielder or a winger? Some strange decisions going on there. Will Keane is like a shit version of Andy Carroll, ponytail and all. 

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Makes me think that we could have picked up under Bowyer anyway and didn’t need PL... something that nagged me at the time because by Jesus was PL’s team dull and we hardly cantered to safety.

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35 minutes ago, DE. said:

In fairness, the owners (or their adviser(s)) did appear to lie to Lambert about the kind of funds he'd have available. Whether that makes him leaving right or wrong is open to debate, but if you don't trust your bosses and they've massively lied to you within months or taking the job (and you put a get out clause in your contract assumedly because you weren't 100% sure if they could be trusted) then it's hard to be too critical on him for walking away. Stoke's squad was really poor and I think their performance this season in the Championship shows a lot of those players were never very good to begin with. Rowett and now Jones haven't been able to halt their slide either. He was very lucky to get that job but they needed a proper firefighter like Allardyce to have any hope of staying in the PL. 

If he quits Ipswich then yes, I'd think he's done for a while at any decent level. He has improved their general play (they actually played quite well against Norwich in spells) but he hasn't been able to cut out their defensive mistakes and his short term signings all look well short of the standard needed to get Ipswich the points they need, which begs the question of why they were signed in the first place. Judge is decent but being played on the wing. Quaner and Keane no better than what Ipswich already had. Same for the likes of Bree. Just desperation signings with no real purpose. At least we got a couple of decent players in Graham and Bennett. Ipswich might as well have signed nobody at all. 

There's no evidence whatsoever anyone lied to anyone else about the funding that might or might not have been available when Lambert was here is there?

That was an assumption people seemed to make when he walked out. After he triggered his get out clause, (which we previously knew nothing about) he had nothing but good things to say about everyone at the Club.

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1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

who proven in league 1? 1 season of doing well isn't proven IMO. 

 

That's generally because they 'prove' themselves by getting promoted out of that league...or would you say you have to play at that level for 3 or more seasons to be proven? 

And I'm sure I'm not the only one to find your antogonistic tone annoying when 'debating'. You're certainly nowhere near bright enough to be as patronising as you try to be.

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56 minutes ago, CP Company Lad said:

Some serious disorder after the Boro/Leeds game on Saturday. Police totally lost control on Albert Road. Proper 80s/early 90s set toos all over the place. No police escort for 1000s of Leeds heading to the station and needing no excuse to break off the main convoy into the back streets behind the shops/bars to front the locals off Albert Road. One set too under the bridge was a good 5 minutes long with no police anywhere. Bodies all over the place. 

Give Leeds 4,500 at Boro and make it an early ko (1pm) but the police got it very very wrong.

Nobody cares mate - stop posting your green street tales.

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Just now, J*B said:

Nobody cares mate - stop posting your green street tales.

Green St tales ? Hardly it was 3 days ago. I am 50 years old and not seen such stuff for a while. Just a heads up for Boro away. Take it as you will though few will get 4,500 tickets.

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Just now, CP Company Lad said:

Green St tales ? Hardly it was 3 days ago. I am 50 years old and not seen such stuff for a while. Just a heads up for Boro away. Take it as you will though few will get 4,500 tickets.

We’ve already been mate, fortunately we didn’t need to reassert or flex our fragile masculinity for internet hardman points.

We drew 1-1 too.

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Are we supposed to be impressed by the 4.5k.

Just you've mentioned it twice now, with no real relevance to any of the other words on this page. 

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12 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

There's no evidence whatsoever anyone lied to anyone else about the funding that might or might not have been available when Lambert was here is there?

That was an assumption people seemed to make when he walked out. After he triggered his get out clause, (which we previously knew nothing about) he had nothing but good things to say about everyone at the Club.

It's clear from his quotes about being frustrated about the summer budget when he left that he was expecting more assurances than he ended up getting. I think he outright said that, and it seemed tied into selling Rhodes as that was done with great urgency in January when previous managers had failed to do so. As with everything Venky's related it's all smoke-and-mirrors and it'll probably be years before we know the real truth behind the Bowyer sacking, Lambert appointment/resignation, Coyle arrival era of 2015-2016. Some strange stuff going on there regardless. 

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