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Just now, Mattyblue said:

Hmmm, now what does that remind me of...

‘No no it was a good idea to sack Sam, we just didn’t know that he’d be replaced by Ke*n’

Similar in a lot of ways. Particularly when it comes to overrating the ability of the squad and underestimating the knowledge and experience needed to get the best out of limited players.

The main difference is that we had no idea how Venky's would act as owners. Ipswich fans knew full well that Evans wasn't going to invest any more than he had done previously, and that outside of Mick he had a pretty poor track record of selecting managers. I think a lot of them became complacent, thinking that keeping a club in this division was no big deal and even if the new manager turned out to be a dud at worst they'd be lower mid-table again. Alarm bells would have been ringing for me the moment Hurst came out with his line about the Championship and League 1 not being any different, whilst publicly berating the existing players at the club before the season had even started. He was clearly out of his depth from day one and the only question is how long Evans is willing to play the waiting game before realising he has no choice but to twist again and hope somebody is available to get what is a very poor team out of trouble on little to no budget. Good luck with that. 

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3 minutes ago, DE. said:

Similar in a lot of ways. Particularly when it comes to overrating the ability of the squad and underestimating the knowledge and experience needed to get the best out of limited players.

The main difference is that we had no idea how Venky's would act as owners. Ipswich fans knew full well that Evans wasn't going to invest any more than he had done previously, and that outside of Mick he had a pretty poor track record of selecting managers. I think a lot of them became complacent, thinking that keeping a club in this division was no big deal and even if the new manager turned out to be a dud at worst they'd be lower mid-table again. Alarm bells would have been ringing for me the moment Hurst came out with his line about the Championship and League 1 not being any different, whilst publicly berating the existing players at the club before the season had even started. He was clearly out of his depth from day one and the only question is how long Evans is willing to play the waiting game before realising he has no choice but to twist again and hope somebody is available to get what is a very poor team out of trouble on little to no budget. Good luck with that. 

From what I have read and hear it appears that fans have huge problems with the owner and his lack of investment. 

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Just now, chaddyrovers said:

From what I have read and hear it appears that fans have huge problems with the owner and his lack of investment. 

Which is why they should have kept a manager perfect for working on such a budget with consistent overachievement.

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Just now, chaddyrovers said:

From what I have read and hear it appears that fans have huge problems with the owner and his lack of investment. 

A shame they aimed all their ire at McCarthy last season instead, then. They targeted a symptom of the problem rather than the root. McCarthy was the guy frantically bailing the water out of a sinking ship, whilst Captain Evans sipped a cocktail on top deck. The fans decided to throw McCarthy overboard.

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Just now, DE. said:

A shame they aimed all their ire at McCarthy last season instead, then. They targeted a symptom of the problem rather than the root. McCarthy was the guy frantically bailing the water out of a sinking ship, whilst Captain Evans sipped a cocktail on top deck. The fans decided to throw McCarthy overboard.

I wouldnt even say that. Comparing again to Keans time here, he was very much a symptom of the problem, and he also received a heavy amount of fan ire.

McCarthy was very much overachieving in spite of the root problem. He wasnt even a symptom.

I also do wonder if McCarthy feels any resentment towards the funds that Hurst has been able to spend this summer? He may have been able to make his sides easier on the eye as well as effective.

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1 minute ago, roversfan99 said:

Which is why they should have kept a manager perfect for working on such a budget with consistent overachievement.

but fans relationship have broken down with McCarthy and Evans. I can understand fans wanting a change of manager and different way of playing

Just now, DE. said:

A shame they aimed all their ire at McCarthy last season instead, then. They targeted a symptom of the problem rather than the root. McCarthy was the guy frantically bailing the water out of a sinking ship, whilst Captain Evans sipped a cocktail on top deck. The fans decided to throw McCarthy overboard.

haven't they aimed at Evans but I don't know how many games he attend in a season? 

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Just now, roversfan99 said:

I wouldnt even say that. Comparing again to Keans time here, he was very much a symptom of the problem, and he also received a heavy amount of fan ire.

McCarthy was very much overachieving in spite of the root problem. He wasnt even a symptom.

I also do wonder if McCarthy feels any resentment towards the funds that Hurst has been able to spend this summer? He may have been able to make his sides easier on the eye as well as effective.

I probably should have clarified a little - McCarthy himself wasn't the symptom, but the style of football he was playing was a symptom of the lack of investment. He overachieved by playing an extremely rigid style, but he had no choice. 

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

haven't they aimed at Evans but I don't know how many games he attend in a season? 

They have aimed it at Evans online, but at the ground it was all aimed at McCarthy. Evans attends quite a few games, he was there today but apparently got up and walked out when QPR got their penalty. Didn't stick around to see if they even scored it. 

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Just now, roversfan99 said:

I wouldnt even say that. Comparing again to Keans time here, he was very much a symptom of the problem, and he also received a heavy amount of fan ire.

McCarthy was very much overachieving in spite of the root problem. He wasnt even a symptom.

I also do wonder if McCarthy feels any resentment towards the funds that Hurst has been able to spend this summer? He may have been able to make his sides easier on the eye as well as effective.

Hurst has sold players to bring in his own players and only spent around 40% of funds he brought into the club and bringing in younger players. 

McCarthy didn't deserve personal abuse he got but he did things back. it was love hate relationship for a while. 

I do feel McCarthy could have played more attacking football than he did. Ive been impressed by Coleman and the job he has done. I can understand why they went for Hurst but I feel Ipswich need a change of owner before they can move forward

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2 minutes ago, DE. said:

 

They have aimed it at Evans online, but at the ground it was all aimed at McCarthy. Evans attends quite a few games, he was there today but apparently got up and walked out when QPR got their penalty. Didn't stick around to see if they even scored it. 

pathetic that tbh

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4 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I do feel McCarthy could have played more attacking football than he did. Ive been impressed by Coleman and the job he has done. I can understand why they went for Hurst but I feel Ipswich need a change of owner before they can move forward

What's funny is that if the idea was to bring in a manager to play more attacking, expansive football, Hurst shouldn't have even been on the shortlist. His Shrewsbury team weren't known for that at all, quite the opposite. They were a defensive, counter attacking team that won games by the odd goal. Not too dissimilar to how McCarthy had Ipswich set up! It feels like Hurst knows he's expected to play a more entertaining brand of football, and as a result as compromised his own ideas to try and placate the owner and the fans. It would explain why Ipswich often look so clueless on the pitch. 

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

pathetic that tbh

Ipswich fans are hoping it means he's had enough and will be imminently sacking Hurst. I'm not convinced. Today's performance was really, really bad though. At half time they'd had a single shot on goal, at home to QPR, coming off the back of beating Swansea 3-2. You would have expected them to have gained some belief and confidence from that result, but they played like Swansea had beaten them 10-0. 

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7 minutes ago, DE. said:

What's funny is that if the idea was to bring in a manager to play more attacking, expansive football, Hurst shouldn't have even been on the shortlist. His Shrewsbury team weren't known for that at all, quite the opposite. They were a defensive, counter attacking team that won games by the odd goal. Not too dissimilar to how McCarthy had Ipswich set up! It feels like Hurst knows he's expected to play a more entertaining brand of football, and as a result as compromised his own ideas to try and placate the owner and the fans. It would explain why Ipswich often look so clueless on the pitch. 

Ipswich fans are hoping it means he's had enough and will be imminently sacking Hurst. I'm not convinced. Today's performance was really, really bad though. At half time they'd had a single shot on goal, at home to QPR, coming off the back of beating Swansea 3-2. You would have expected them to have gained some belief and confidence from that result, but they played like Swansea had beaten them 10-0. 

I agree on the shortlist if the plan was for more attacking football. Hurst did see like the next big thing from lower leagues. Even someone on here suggested him for the Stoke job after Lambert left

I cant see them sacking Hurst any time soon tbh. Not really what Evans plans are short or long term for the club but from my view it appears there isn't any leadership from the top. I cant see who they go for if Hurst does go aswell. 

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Just now, chaddyrovers said:

I cant see who they go for if Hurst does go aswell. 

That's their biggest problem. It's not exactly an attractive proposition to any decent manager:

- No transfer budget
- Poor, demotivated squad
- Jaded fanbase willing to hound the manager out if he doesn't play the style of football they want
- Limited ability to bring in staff

Form an orderly queue...

They'd probably have to gamble with another lower league manager. Or go for an out of work manager who's had past glories but fallen on hard times and hope it's just a slump - kind of like we did with Mowbray. 

I hear Coyle is still available. 

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2 hours ago, philipl said:

Looking at midweek fixtures, most are top v bottom so could slip a few places with our visit to Swansea.

The Championship rarely turns out like that though Philip, it’s a brutal league and so hard to try and second-guess results.

Which is fantastic!

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11 hours ago, DE. said:

Similar in a lot of ways. Particularly when it comes to overrating the ability of the squad and underestimating the knowledge and experience needed to get the best out of limited players.

The main difference is that we had no idea how Venky's would act as owners. Ipswich fans knew full well that Evans wasn't going to invest any more than he had done previously, and that outside of Mick he had a pretty poor track record of selecting managers. I think a lot of them became complacent, thinking that keeping a club in this division was no big deal and even if the new manager turned out to be a dud at worst they'd be lower mid-table again. Alarm bells would have been ringing for me the moment Hurst came out with his line about the Championship and League 1 not being any different, whilst publicly berating the existing players at the club before the season had even started. He was clearly out of his depth from day one and the only question is how long Evans is willing to play the waiting game before realising he has no choice but to twist again and hope somebody is available to get what is a very poor team out of trouble on little to no budget. Good luck with that. 

Bradley Dack please note---sometimes you are better off where you are!  

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3 hours ago, philipl said:

Looking at midweek fixtures, most are top v bottom so could slip a few places with our visit to Swansea.

We were 5th  a minute before half-time!

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11 hours ago, DE. said:

Similar in a lot of ways. Particularly when it comes to overrating the ability of the squad and underestimating the knowledge and experience needed to get the best out of limited players.

The main difference is that we had no idea how Venky's would act as owners. Ipswich fans knew full well that Evans wasn't going to invest any more than he had done previously, and that outside of Mick he had a pretty poor track record of selecting managers. I think a lot of them became complacent, thinking that keeping a club in this division was no big deal and even if the new manager turned out to be a dud at worst they'd be lower mid-table again. Alarm bells would have been ringing for me the moment Hurst came out with his line about the Championship and League 1 not being any different, whilst publicly berating the existing players at the club before the season had even started. He was clearly out of his depth from day one and the only question is how long Evans is willing to play the waiting game before realising he has no choice but to twist again and hope somebody is available to get what is a very poor team out of trouble on little to no budget. Good luck with that. 

Hurst had a good half a season at Shrewsbury , results in 2018 were nothing to write home about .........The fans are getting what they deserve for hounding MC Carthy out !!!

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A ridiculously tight division with just 5 points between Norwich in 5th and Bolton in 18th. The bottom 6 are slightly cut off but other than that the rest can switch massively off a couple of results. Back to back wins have catapulted us from bottom half to top six and a couple of defeats could see us drop significantly. 

We're doing well and the team are a joy to watch at the moment but too early to talk about play offs. Nothing to fear in this league where consistency is king. We're consistent at the moment and aren't losing games. Get through to Feb as we have been doing so far and survival should be all but secured. 

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21 hours ago, roverandout said:

Survival? We should be talking about promotion

Promotion? Really, I think the celebration drinks you must have had on Saturday night are still affecting your judgement. Yes, we all would love our team to get back to the Premiership, but this journey is only just getting started. A better choice of words might be consolidation. 

I personally think the Championship is a great league to be playing in. Almost all the teams have previously played in the top league and the results are so unpredictable, it makes, for me at least, great entertainment. We have more than held our own so far this season and if we continue to gain points like we have until the New Year, who knows, Venkys might just give Tony a few more rupees to help consolidate our position for the second half of the season. 

Let's enjoy this roller coaster ride, but not get ahead of ourselves and keep making progress. Just a plea to the boycotters, get yourselves back down to Ewood. I don't expect you to forgive Venkys, but our team needs as much support as possible if we are eventually going back to the Premiership. 

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3 hours ago, Riversider28 said:

Promotion? Really, I think the celebration drinks you must have had on Saturday night are still affecting your judgement. Yes, we all would love our team to get back to the Premiership, but this journey is only just getting started. A better choice of words might be consolidation. 

I personally think the Championship is a great league to be playing in. Almost all the teams have previously played in the top league and the results are so unpredictable, it makes, for me at least, great entertainment. We have more than held our own so far this season and if we continue to gain points like we have until the New Year, who knows, Venkys might just give Tony a few more rupees to help consolidate our position for the second half of the season. 

Let's enjoy this roller coaster ride, but not get ahead of ourselves and keep making progress. Just a plea to the boycotters, get yourselves back down to Ewood. I don't expect you to forgive Venkys, but our team needs as much support as possible if we are eventually going back to the Premiership. 

COYB

Mid table consolidation would be fairly acceptable but theres nothing to fear in a competitive but at times, slightly overestimated league.

From what we've seen so far, there is nothing to stop us from having half an eye on the play offs as an ambitious target, as long as people dont see that as the minimum expectation.

There are a lot of teams in the bottom 7 or 8, Ipswich, Hull, Reading, Rotherham, Reading and Bolton (Preston should eventually move upwards) that are exactly where they are expected to be and, barring a collapse from ourselves, should provide a comfortable buffer above safet

You look at teams like us, Wigan, Sheffield United, Norwich and Brentford, all teams in the top half who seem to be clubs looking up, working towards their full potential, but perhaps without the resources of Derby, Nottingham Forest, West Brom etc propping them up.

Also, your final comment has been debated in depth in other threads, but needless to say that is an unfair representation on what most consider to be the main reasons as to why we arent drawing in more respectable attendances.

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1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

Mid table consolidation would be fairly acceptable but theres nothing to fear in a competitive but at times, slightly overestimated league.

From what we've seen so far, there is nothing to stop us from having half an eye on the play offs as an ambitious target, as long as people dont see that as the minimum expectation.

There are a lot of teams in the bottom 7 or 8, Ipswich, Hull, Reading, Rotherham, Reading and Bolton (Preston should eventually move upwards) that are exactly where they are expected to be and, barring a collapse from ourselves, should provide a comfortable buffer above safet

You look at teams like us, Wigan, Sheffield United, Norwich and Brentford, all teams in the top half who seem to be clubs looking up, working towards their full potential, but perhaps without the resources of Derby, Nottingham Forest, West Brom etc propping them up.

Also, your final comment has been debated in depth in other threads, but needless to say that is an unfair representation on what most consider to be the main reasons as to why we arent drawing in more respectable attendances.

Your final comment about my final comment wasn’t necessary as I was merely trying to say to those supporters that they are missing out on some of the most positive football we’ve seen at Ewood for a long, long time. Most of what you said before has also been debated at length in other threads too. 

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1 hour ago, Riversider28 said:

Your final comment about my final comment wasn’t necessary as I was merely trying to say to those supporters that they are missing out on some of the most positive football we’ve seen at Ewood for a long, long time. Most of what you said before has also been debated at length in other threads too. 

Apologies for reading your post in a slightly cynical light, my mistake.

I dont think we have hoards of boycotters missing out to be fair. 

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