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Just now, tomphil said:

So in the season QPR spent 75 million on wages in the Championship Burnley's income was c20 million and their wages c21 million.

It can be done,

Isn't our wage bill effectively HALF that? With the added problem of wages rising and transfer fees being mad too.

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3 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Palmer can play wide either side or the 10 role so how it can do a job?

I see him in all 3 positions and he's a good signing. 

 

3 hours ago, Paul Mani said:

Fair enough...

The length of his deal is what it is. The truth of the matter is that it allows us to punch above our weight as we could not afford to buy Palmer or pay his full wages.

From everything I’ve read he can play on either wing or through the middle but I’m not sure it really matters these days. I don’t think there are any ‘natural’ wingers out there anymore. Even the ones who used to be considered ‘natural’ now play on opposite wings and in ‘the hole’. 

Kasey Palmers natural position is as a number 10 chaddy. I saw him quite a few times for Huddersfield, usually flanked by wingers such as Van La Parra and Kachunga, obviously they were on TV a lot as they were battling for promotion, and he scored from that position at Ewood I remember. I am not a fan of playing players out of positions when it can be helped, and I hope that Palmer is not seen as the winger we have been rumoured to be after, as he isnt one. I can see him being effective from say the left cutting in and linking with Dack, but only if whoevers on the other side gives us more width to compensate, a direct winger. He can play wide but it is not his natural position, he is not going to be as effective there, its not a difficult concept to understand. And I never said he isnt a good signing so no need for that comment.

Take on board your point Paul about the fluidity within them 3 attacking positions, but if you put 3 players together who all want to come inside for example, they can get into each others space and it can be counter-productive. Natural width and pace gives you that alternative if there is no space in the middle.#

You both used the phrase "can play," Mulgrew and Lenihan can play central midfield, Bennett can play at right back, Williams can play at centre back, at a push Dack could play wide, but youve seen that you dont get the best out of any of those players in them positions.

Disagree on there not being any natural wingers any more, albeit maybe they are not quite as common, I still feel width is just as crucial now as ever. We had a winger last season in Chapman. In the Championship, there is Albert Admoah, Yanic Wildshut, Hakeeb Adelakun, Florian Jozefzoon, Harry Wilson, Tom Ince, James McLean, Adama Traore, Jacques Maghoma, Kamil Grosicki, Jarrod Bowen, Gwoin Edwards, Adam Reach, Jon Taylor, Gareth McLeary, Tom Barkhuizen, Luciano Narsingh, Nathan Dyer, Oliver Burke, Matty Phillips and Calum McManaman. All natural wingers who like to run at full backs and stretch the play so they do exist still.

To again clarify so im not misquoted, im very happy with the standard of Kasey Palmer and excited to see what he could bring to our team, as I know he has ability, and in comparison to some of the dross weve been linked with recently, notably Ashley Fletcher, signing a player like Palmer is a breath of fresh air, albeit on a short term deal. That said, I would be very disappointed if this was instead of a natural winger.

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Not sure we're good enough to play with natural wingers , I don't think we can play the way we played last year in this division , there were times last year when we almost played with 4 attacking players , if we do that this year we will get mullered 

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5 minutes ago, AJW said:

Not sure we're good enough to play with natural wingers , I don't think we can play the way we played last year in this division , there were times last year when we almost played with 4 attacking players , if we do that this year we will get mullered 

Assuming Kasey Palmer will be playing wide, big assumption but Dacks obviously not gonna change position. Im not convinced that hes gonna do much tracking back, not naturally anyway. I do agree that there will be times for a wide player whose more defensive than attacking, Bennett predominantly, but even if its to compete with Palmer as the third attacking option in a side with Dack and Graham, I feel its always wise to have at least one option of natural width. 

That said, I hope the handbrake is released to an extent and Palmer isnt handled with the same gloves that Chapman and Payne were last season, seen solely as an impact sub.

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11 hours ago, pomster said:

I think the Armstrong and Chapman signings are dead in the water now

 

Agree.

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1 minute ago, AJW said:

Not sure we're good enough to play with natural wingers , I don't think we can play the way we played last year in this division , there were times last year when we almost played with 4 attacking players , if we do that this year we will get mullered 

I disagree. Whilst Palmer is a welcome addition if he's better than what we've got, arguably we now have 3 number 10's in Dack, Palmer (if he signs) and Rothwell and elsewhere our needs are still exactly the same as they were before.. I think we need the ability to get behind the opposition on either flank so at least one if not two wide man still needed for me.

Plus 2 strikers still the main priority and ideally a big nasty centre back.

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Just now, Wing Wizard Windy Miller said:

Shows what we are up against this year when a champ club like Boro can loan out players of the calibre of Chapman.

Have they loaned him out?

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Just now, islander200 said:

Have they loaned him out?

No.  Just that they have for the last couple of seasons. Just like the striker we were linked with - who cost £6.5 mil - they must have a pretty strong squad to be able to let them go.  Can you imagine us loaning out a £6.5 mil striker?

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So has Palmer been confirmed ?. 

I'm not doubting the lads ability and I'm sure he could do a job for us but I echo the sentiment of others. We have dack and rothwell whose natural position is there. We need to start strengthening the areas we are desperately short in starting with goals and width. Players who are comfortable running at the full back and whipping crosses in for Danny head

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Just now, Oldgregg86 said:

So has Palmer been confirmed ?. 

I'm not doubting the lads ability and I'm sure he could do a job for us but I echo the sentiment of others. We have dack and rothwell whose natural position is there. We need to start strengthening the areas we are desperately short in starting with goals and width. Players who are comfortable running at the full back and whipping crosses in for Danny head

Paperwork should be completed Monday..according to sky sports news and the Let

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18 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

I disagree. Whilst Palmer is a welcome addition if he's better than what we've got, arguably we now have 3 number 10's in Dack, Palmer (if he signs) and Rothwell and elsewhere our needs are still exactly the same as they were before.. I think we need the ability to get behind the opposition on either flank so at least one if not two wide man still needed for me.

Plus 2 strikers still the main priority and ideally a big nasty centre back.

Horses for courses I dare say , some games we will need an greater attacking threat , and having wingers who get behind teams and stretch defences will be essential others we will have to play with more responsibility maybe even 4 narrow across midfield and  Dack or Palmer  dropping in behind a loan striker 

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5 minutes ago, Wing Wizard Windy Miller said:

No.  Just that they have for the last couple of seasons. Just like the striker we were linked with - who cost £6.5 mil - they must have a pretty strong squad to be able to let them go.  Can you imagine us loaning out a £6.5 mil striker?

The market is crazy, but teams have shown that you can do well with a limited budget in the championship. 

If we are to do well we need to add a little pace and definitely another striker.

It's obvious Mowbray doesn't fancy Samuel as a centre forward when playing just one up top, he played Dack as a false 9 v Liverpool and played him wide of the three behind Graham v Everton. Imo  he had a good game the other night against Everton. 

But we need a striker as good if not better than Graham going into the season.Im a Danny Graham fan but I don't see him being fit all season 

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Just now, islander200 said:

Paperwork should be completed Monday..according to sky sports news and the Let

That sounds a bit Roy Keane-esque for my liking...

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Just now, Mattyblue said:

That sounds a bit Roy Keane-esque for my liking...

A bit different to Roy Keane tho in fairness it's been no secret all summer that Palmer has been available to loan so I don't think rival teams will all of a sudden swoop in for Palmer on the back of Rovers reportedly agreeing a deal.

I'm sure plenty of champ teams showed an interest but with both sky and the let running with the story I'm confident the deal is done 

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Just now, Mattyblue said:

Aye, not sure who the equivalent of Ferguson would be in this situation...

As Neil said the other night the obvious one to.be worried about would be Lampard at Derby but with the signings they brought in there isn't really a place for him.And if Derby and Lampard wanted him it would have been confirmed already

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Just now, Tormund said:

How it can take so long to sort paperwork is beyond me!

It's the weekend mate Palmer may have had plans. It's probably him getting organised with moving etc before travelling up north Sunday/Monday

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Just now, islander200 said:

As Neil said the other night the obvious one to.be worried about would be Lampard at Derby but with the signings they brought in there isn't really a place for him.And if Derby and Lampard wanted him it would have been confirmed already

And their lies the difference

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Just now, Crimpshrine said:

Approval from Pune?

We have been told numerous times by the manager that he has been given a budget.I really don't think it is that 

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1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

 

Kasey Palmers natural position is as a number 10 chaddy. I saw him quite a few times for Huddersfield, usually flanked by wingers such as Van La Parra and Kachunga, obviously they were on TV a lot as they were battling for promotion, and he scored from that position at Ewood I remember. I am not a fan of playing players out of positions when it can be helped, and I hope that Palmer is not seen as the winger we have been rumoured to be after, as he isnt one. I can see him being effective from say the left cutting in and linking with Dack, but only if whoevers on the other side gives us more width to compensate, a direct winger. He can play wide but it is not his natural position, he is not going to be as effective there, its not a difficult concept to understand. And I never said he isnt a good signing so no need for that comment.

Take on board your point Paul about the fluidity within them 3 attacking positions, but if you put 3 players together who all want to come inside for example, they can get into each others space and it can be counter-productive. Natural width and pace gives you that alternative if there is no space in the middle.#

You both used the phrase "can play," Mulgrew and Lenihan can play central midfield, Bennett can play at right back, Williams can play at centre back, at a push Dack could play wide, but youve seen that you dont get the best out of any of those players in them positions.

Disagree on there not being any natural wingers any more, albeit maybe they are not quite as common, I still feel width is just as crucial now as ever. We had a winger last season in Chapman. In the Championship, there is Albert Admoah, Yanic Wildshut, Hakeeb Adelakun, Florian Jozefzoon, Harry Wilson, Tom Ince, James McLean, Adama Traore, Jacques Maghoma, Kamil Grosicki, Jarrod Bowen, Gwoin Edwards, Adam Reach, Jon Taylor, Gareth McLeary, Tom Barkhuizen, Luciano Narsingh, Nathan Dyer, Oliver Burke, Matty Phillips and Calum McManaman. All natural wingers who like to run at full backs and stretch the play so they do exist still.

To again clarify so im not misquoted, im very happy with the standard of Kasey Palmer and excited to see what he could bring to our team, as I know he has ability, and in comparison to some of the dross weve been linked with recently, notably Ashley Fletcher, signing a player like Palmer is a breath of fresh air, albeit on a short term deal. That said, I would be very disappointed if this was instead of a natural winger.

Spot on. Great post 

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3 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

 

Kasey Palmers natural position is as a number 10 chaddy. I saw him quite a few times for Huddersfield, usually flanked by wingers such as Van La Parra and Kachunga, obviously they were on TV a lot as they were battling for promotion, and he scored from that position at Ewood I remember. I am not a fan of playing players out of positions when it can be helped, and I hope that Palmer is not seen as the winger we have been rumoured to be after, as he isnt one. I can see him being effective from say the left cutting in and linking with Dack, but only if whoevers on the other side gives us more width to compensate, a direct winger. He can play wide but it is not his natural position, he is not going to be as effective there, its not a difficult concept to understand. And I never said he isnt a good signing so no need for that comment.

Take on board your point Paul about the fluidity within them 3 attacking positions, but if you put 3 players together who all want to come inside for example, they can get into each others space and it can be counter-productive. Natural width and pace gives you that alternative if there is no space in the middle.#

You both used the phrase "can play," Mulgrew and Lenihan can play central midfield, Bennett can play at right back, Williams can play at centre back, at a push Dack could play wide, but youve seen that you dont get the best out of any of those players in them positions.

Disagree on there not being any natural wingers any more, albeit maybe they are not quite as common, I still feel width is just as crucial now as ever. We had a winger last season in Chapman. In the Championship, there is Albert Admoah, Yanic Wildshut, Hakeeb Adelakun, Florian Jozefzoon, Harry Wilson, Tom Ince, James McLean, Adama Traore, Jacques Maghoma, Kamil Grosicki, Jarrod Bowen, Gwoin Edwards, Adam Reach, Jon Taylor, Gareth McLeary, Tom Barkhuizen, Luciano Narsingh, Nathan Dyer, Oliver Burke, Matty Phillips and Calum McManaman. All natural wingers who like to run at full backs and stretch the play so they do exist still.

To again clarify so im not misquoted, im very happy with the standard of Kasey Palmer and excited to see what he could bring to our team, as I know he has ability, and in comparison to some of the dross weve been linked with recently, notably Ashley Fletcher, signing a player like Palmer is a breath of fresh air, albeit on a short term deal. That said, I would be very disappointed if this was instead of a natural winger.

However if we play three at the back we don't necessarily need wingers - but similar to England three number 10 type players to play behind a lone forward.

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Just now, DavidMailsTightPerm said:

However if we play three at the back we don't necessarily need wingers - but similar to England three number 10 type players to play behind a lone forward.

Im personally very hopeful that we stick to the 4-2-3-1 formation that has seen us well throughout last season. Our attempts at playing 3 at the back with the current personnel have been unsuccessful and I would hope that Mowbray sticks with the system that has proven itself to suit our current team.

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