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Just now, chaddyrovers said:

Please explain?

What would you do with the money and which would you target?

Odd question. Surely it needs no explanation? How about a couple of players at £4m. Christ, Dack is being touted as the best player outside the PL and he cost less than £1m. Armstrong was £1.2m plus add-ons. £8m is a bloody fortune for us.

Are you telling me we couldn’t find that kind of value anywhere? May as well sack our scouting team if the fans need to put names forward.

As noble as it is, we seem obsessed with British and English players. Other clubs find value overseas yet we do not. There should be a balance. I’ve never known a Rovers squad with so few foreign players. Raya and Nyambe bring the only first team regulars with Leutweiler making up the squad’s foreign players.

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34 minutes ago, Stuart said:

Surely £8m could be better spent?

I agree , I am probably going to be in the minority here but I wouldn't want us to spend £8m on one player certainly not a 19 year old with "potential"  I would much prefer to spend half that one someone who like Chris Martin or Rudy Gestede or Scott  Hogan or someone like that  who albeit older but less of a risk and the other on improving midfield and defence

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7 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

Do you want us spending big money on one player?

Yes. Brereton has great potential and I would like him here. 

6 minutes ago, islander200 said:

 

Do you think Mowbray should be sacked If we don't sign anyone?

NOPE!!!

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We are still actively trying to sign Wil Trapp apparently.
If what I was told earlier is true. We are trying to sign him with a view to make his transfer permanent next January, before his contract enters the final 6 months.
Club isn't entirely sure he wants to come however.

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Interesting how uncomfortable people seem to be about the prospect of spending money. Even when the person proposing to spend it is our much trusted and respected Tony Mowbray and the owners spending it have spent next to nothing for years. Don't think many Forest fans were complaining whilst spending 25 million this summer.

We're completely at the behest of Venkys. If they want to spend it that's up to them and if they don't that's up to them. The clubs existence is currently on their whim so a bit of money on some decent players who are likely to grow in value won't change that.

Oh, and we haven't committed to a penny yet.

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£8m is a lot of money @chaddyrovers and @Stuart cant be expected to list a shortlist of other potential signings as he is, presumably, not a professional scout.

For me, there are a lot of question marks. We'd be spending a massive chunk of money, a club record amount, on someone with a very underwhelming goal record thus far, we'd be paying for potential. Last time we spent this much, the striker we bought was a proven goalscorer.

My questions are in regards to his style of play mainly, he has played many games wide having read up on him, we need a focal point more than anything, he sounds like a player who is quick and runs towards goal, similar to Armstrong.

Surely we wouldnt spend that much on a striker to play him wide? 

I would be cautiously excited to see him join, I'm sure he is a huge upgrade on Samuel (who isnt) and hes very highly rated but for that sum of money some people may expect someone to be the first name on the teamsheet.

I've only seen him once that I recall, v Arsenal, he tore them to shreds in terms of running behind Mertesacker but he missed a few chances if I recall. Not interested in videos that can make anyone look good.

Would rather have him than not but take on board peoples suggestions that surely there is better value in spreading the money across 2 or 3 players.

And chaddy, Alan Myers said "not sure tbh" when asked how likely it is. He is just echoing what was already in the public domain, as he did with the Freeman bid.

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If we do sign him for that sort of money then surely Mowbray will have to be starting him.

It's all well and good thinking he can spend a year learning under Graham but if we pay over 5 million then Mowbray will have to play him.

3 minutes ago, AJW said:

I agree , I am probably going to be in the minority here but I wouldn't want us to spend £8m on one player certainly not a 19 year old with "potential"  I would much prefer to spend half that one someone who like Chris Martin or Rudy Gestede or Scott  Hogan or someone like that  who albeit older but less of a risk

Those players will want huge wages though.They will all be on 30grand a week at least already 

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2 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Yes. Brereton has great potential and I would like him here. 

 

Interesting, because in June you said:

Rovers clearly arent willing chuck millions and Millions at Promotion but do it a smarter way less cost way of building a squad with good players. 

Well lets agree on 3 million pounds come from season tickets sales thats 25% percent of our wage budget. Big help to Mowbray signing players. Yes you are right it wouldnt get us signing players at 10 million but I wouldnt want that anyway.’

 

 

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Just now, RovingRover said:

We are still actively trying to sign Wil Trapp apparently.
If what I was told earlier is true. We are trying to sign him with a view to make his transfer permanent next January, before his contract enters the final 6 months.
Club isn't entirely sure he wants to come however.

I've no idea but doesn't the MLS season finish in Nov-Jan time?  If so wouldn't it be strange if his contract ended in June/July?

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4 minutes ago, AJW said:

I agree , I am probably going to be in the minority here but I wouldn't want us to spend £8m on one player certainly not a 19 year old with "potential"  I would much prefer to spend half that one someone who like Chris Martin or Rudy Gestede or Scott  Hogan or someone like that  who albeit older but less of a risk and the other on improving midfield and defence

How much do you think Gestede cost Boro or Hogan cost Villa? It was nearly 8 million for them both. 

Strikers have always come at a premium. 

Someone made a good point about his wages, he wouldn’t be on that much compared to other strikers in the division, so if you worked it out over the length of four years say?

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7 minutes ago, RovingRover said:

We are still actively trying to sign Wil Trapp apparently.
If what I was told earlier is true. We are trying to sign him with a view to make his transfer permanent next January, before his contract enters the final 6 months.
Club isn't entirely sure he wants to come however.

So a loan first then? Any fee mentioned?

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It all seems a bit strange this £5-8M  for a young prospect.  As many others have stated, are we in a position to gamble so much on potential?

Has Balaji told TM that if he finds a  youngster for 'investment' on relatively low wages that he will fund it? 

It does seem like TM is aiming a lot higher than most of us would have thought,  or hoped even the more optimistic of us.

IF the rumours about McGinn/Freeman were also true it would suggest had we signed them we would have been aiming for playoffs or close.

The more TM  spends (if the loans are to buy) the higher the expectations, the more pressure. 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, CraigF said:

How much do you think Gestede cost Boro or Hogan cost Villa? It was nearly 8 million for them both. 

Strikers have always come at a premium. 

Someone made a good point about his wages, he wouldn’t be on that much compared to other strikers in the division, so if you worked it out over the length of four years say?

They arnt worth that today though , none are first team regulars either , take them on loan with view to buy if they're a success great if not ship them back , far safer than spending £8m on Brerton Imo 

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11 minutes ago, Blueandwhitemike said:

I've no idea but doesn't the MLS season finish in Nov-Jan time?  If so wouldn't it be strange if his contract ended in June/July?

I believe his contract expires in November. But clubs can sign a pre-contract in July/August time.

6 minutes ago, Swanson said:

So a loan first then? Any fee mentioned?

Honestly. Haven't the foggiest. That is the extent of what I have heard.

Biggest hurdle might be persuading him to come to the UK. Think he and his family are pretty settled in the States.

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13 minutes ago, Blueandwhitemike said:

I've no idea but doesn't the MLS season finish in Nov-Jan time?  If so wouldn't it be strange if his contract ended in June/July?

https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2018/05/11/tenorio-columbus-crew-sc-captain-wil-trapp-acquires-greek-passport

This seems to say his contract runs until the end of 2020.

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it's all strange.

 

it feels like a luxury buy from a team who already has it all not a buy from someone who's biggest buy has been 750k for the last 3-4 years.

 

My only knowledge of the player is buying him on fifa this year, did very well though 😀.

 

I don't think anyone would be upset for him to sign, he's clearly a prospect, who'd have to fail miserably for us not to at least recoup our outlay. But the opportunity cost of buying him would rightly annoy many. we could buy 4 first team players for the cash.

 

Or are venky starting something and is this a start of a big project where we will be spending like this every window (unlikely) 

 

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16 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

Interesting, because in June you said:

Rovers clearly arent willing chuck millions and Millions at Promotion but do it a smarter way less cost way of building a squad with good players. 

Well lets agree on 3 million pounds come from season tickets sales thats 25% percent of our wage budget. Big help to Mowbray signing players. Yes you are right it wouldnt get us signing players at 10 million but I wouldnt want that anyway.’

 

 

Add to that i don’t recall Brereton ever being mentioned as a good option until we are linked then we should definitely sign him for £8m - until we don’t sign him and the club was definitely right not to spend so much on him.

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Just now, Tom said:

Add to that i don’t recall Brereton ever being mentioned as a good option until we are linked then we should definitely sign him for £8m - until we don’t sign him and the club was definitely right not to spend so much on him.

Exactly, Chaddy wants it because we the club are seemingly interested despite Chaddy's comments a few months ago citing he would not want us to spend millions on players. 

Nobody is allowed to debate this potential signing in Chaddy's eyes.

Even though it goes against what he himself wanted just a couple of months ago.

 Will you ever learn Chadster?

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32 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Yes. Brereton has great potential and I would like him here. 

What made you change your mind?

Was it when you thought there was no money that you tried to spin it positively and now that there might be money you are trying to spin it positively?

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Be over the moon with Brereton, whatever the price. We’ll get resale on him for sure. Especially the way this market is going. Much rather we spent that kind of money on youth than on has-been’s (Gestede was mentioned???). Gestede looked much better than he was at Rovers when he had Cairney and Conway whipping balls in for 90 minutes. 

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22 minutes ago, Blueandwhitemike said:

How bizarre.
The lady I spoke to earlier said that he had signed a one year contract extension that expires at the end of next year.

Need some clarification on this. Maybe she's wrong.

Maybe Kammy can get someone to confirm?

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1 hour ago, islander200 said:

This deal must have been going on well before deadline day because I can't believe Mowbray would have left it go until the last day of the window and then keeping on upping bids reportedly now to the tune of 8 million l.

I know Mowbray called bullshit it on it but honestly what Nixon said about Mowbray not receiving extra backing till later in the window does seem plausible. If we had/Have the sums being talked about since venky trip then I don't see why we couldn't have got out buisness done earlier.We will be four games in minimum before any new signing is involved 

That's not the way the window works in the vast majority of times. The selling club will hold out for as long as possible, to drum up as much interest and try to create a bidding war. Incredibly hard to get deals done early in the window.

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39 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

£8m is a lot of money @chaddyrovers and @Stuart cant be expected to list a shortlist of other potential signings as he is, presumably, not a professional scout.

For me, there are a lot of question marks. We'd be spending a massive chunk of money, a club record amount, on someone with a very underwhelming goal record thus far, we'd be paying for potential. Last time we spent this much, the striker we bought was a proven goalscorer.

My questions are in regards to his style of play mainly, he has played many games wide having read up on him, we need a focal point more than anything, he sounds like a player who is quick and runs towards goal, similar to Armstrong.

 

I am very sure that Stuart is more than capable of coming up with suggestions, He watched a lot of football and very knowledge person. We might disagree at times but I like majority of points and posts even tho I disagree at times. 

Mowbray has already said that we will adapt the style if Graham isn't playing and something we need to do. Brereton has pace and can hold the ball up and good footwork

46 minutes ago, Stuart said:

Odd question. Surely it needs no explanation? How about a couple of players at £4m. Christ, Dack is being touted as the best player outside the PL and he cost less than £1m. Armstrong was £1.2m plus add-ons. £8m is a bloody fortune for us.

Are you telling me we couldn’t find that kind of value anywhere? May as well sack our scouting team if the fans need to put names forward.

As noble as it is, we seem obsessed with British and English players. Other clubs find value overseas yet we do not. There should be a balance. I’ve never known a Rovers squad with so few foreign players. Raya and Nyambe bring the only first team regulars with Leutweiler making up the squad’s foreign players.

When we can sign someone of Brereton ability and potential is available then we should be looking to sign him Imo. 

They have been some players who were cheap to buy like McKay who went to Swansea for 500k. 

Tho I can see your point about looking overseas for a players and I will admit I thought we would look over there but it appears we want British players 

37 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

Interesting, because in June you said:

Rovers clearly arent willing chuck millions and Millions at Promotion but do it a smarter way less cost way of building a squad with good players. 

Well lets agree on 3 million pounds come from season tickets sales thats 25% percent of our wage budget. Big help to Mowbray signing players. Yes you are right it wouldnt get us signing players at 10 million but I wouldnt want that anyway.’

 

 

Yes I did say that. No problem but With is signing a player of Brereton ability and his potential has seen me change my view. I never thought we would be looking to sign Brereton or even a chance to sign him after he was linked with Liverpool for 10 mil plus. still surprise they are looking to sell him tbh. PhilipL posted the links earlier in this thread. 

43 minutes ago, AJW said:

I agree , I am probably going to be in the minority here but I wouldn't want us to spend £8m on one player certainly not a 19 year old with "potential"  I would much prefer to spend half that one someone who like Chris Martin or Rudy Gestede or Scott  Hogan or someone like that  who albeit older but less of a risk and the other on improving midfield and defence

fair enough and I can understand the point you are making but the 3 players mention wages would be a major problem as I don't see us paying that sort of wages ever in the championship. 

Mowbray wants a young team that can develop and grow and with the age of those players you mention 2 players are 29 years old. Hogan has had major injury problems

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32 minutes ago, bboy said:

 

I don't think anyone would be upset for him to sign, he's clearly a prospect, who'd have to fail miserably for us not to at least recoup our outlay.

 

I don't think he would have to fail all that spectacularly to not be trading hands for 8 million again. It's a lot of money. He would only have to show he was below average or not develop much further and we would make a significant loss.

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Just now, chaddyrovers said:

I am very sure that Stuart is more than capable of coming up with suggestions, He watched a lot of football and very knowledge person. We might disagree at times but I like majority of points and posts even tho I disagree at times. 

Mowbray has already said that we will adapt the style if Graham isn't playing and something we need to do. Brereton has pace and can hold the ball up and good footwork

When we can sign someone of Brereton ability and potential is available then we should be looking to sign him Imo. 

They have been some players who were cheap to buy like McKay who went to Swansea for 500k. 

Tho I can see your point about looking overseas for a players and I will admit I thought we would look over there but it appears we want British players 

Yes I did say that. No problem but With is signing a player of Brereton ability and his potential has seen me change my view. I never thought we would be looking to sign Brereton or even a chance to sign him after he was linked with Liverpool for 10 mil plus. still surprise they are looking to sell him tbh. PhilipL posted the links earlier in this thread. 

fair enough and I can understand the point you are making but the 3 players mention wages would be a major problem as I don't see us paying that sort of wages ever in the championship. 

Mowbray wants a young team that can develop and grow and with the age of those players you mention 2 players are 29 years old. Hogan has had major injury problems

May I ask how you know that he can hold the ball up? 

How many times have you seen him play? I only recall seeing him once personally. 

The video you showed is meaningless as a highlight reel can make anyone look good. From what I have read Brereton is not an effective loan striker, hence why he was often played wide.

My main concern is that he would be similar to what we have in Armstrong, and still leave us lacking a focal point should Graham be out.

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