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Just now, yeti-dog said:

You don't half have an unhealthy obsession with Chaddy...

Nor you me.

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20 minutes ago, Stuart said:

What made you change your mind?

Was it when you thought there was no money that you tried to spin it positively and now that there might be money you are trying to spin it positively?

 

Yes I did say that. No problem but With is signing a player of Brereton ability and his potential has seen me change my view. I never thought we would be looking to sign Brereton or even a chance to sign him after he was linked with Liverpool for 10 mil plus not long ago. still surprise they are looking to sell him tbh. If Mowbray can develop Brereton like he done with Dack we have a very good player at the club.  Feel free to ask any more questions Stuart and I will answer them

28 minutes ago, JacknOry said:

Exactly, Chaddy wants it because we the club are seemingly interested despite Chaddy's comments a few months ago citing he would not want us to spend millions on players. 

Nobody is allowed to debate this potential signing in Chaddy's eyes.

Even though it goes against what he himself wanted just a couple of months ago.

 Will you ever learn Chadster?

Where did I ever say posters cant debate potential signings? 

Already explained why I change my mind. 

I want Brereton here cos of the ability and potential of him

33 minutes ago, Tom said:

Add to that i don’t recall Brereton ever being mentioned as a good option until we are linked then we should definitely sign him for £8m - until we don’t sign him and the club was definitely right not to spend so much on him.

Tom, with all respect I never thought we ever had a chance of signing him at all this summer or ever but our bid for him on transfer deadline day show we want him and can afford him

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6 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

May I ask how you know that he can hold the ball up? 

How many times have you seen him play? I only recall seeing him once personally. 

The video you showed is meaningless as a highlight reel can make anyone look good. From what I have read Brereton is not an effective loan striker, hence why he was often played wide.

My main concern is that he would be similar to what we have in Armstrong, and still leave us lacking a focal point should Graham be out.

If Graham is out then we have to play differently and don't use it has excuse. 

I seen him a few times and you can see his talent and potential. 

Ive very happy with the Video I posted. Show a lot of ability and skills. His touch and pace was there to see. Those games were clips from Championship games and the video wasn't a short video but show more than goals like his pace, touch, footwork and his skills. 

If we sign him I would be extremely pleased and very happy

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1 hour ago, Stuart said:

Odd question. Surely it needs no explanation? How about a couple of players at £4m. Christ, Dack is being touted as the best player outside the PL and he cost less than £1m. Armstrong was £1.2m plus add-ons. £8m is a bloody fortune for us.

Are you telling me we couldn’t find that kind of value anywhere? May as well sack our scouting team if the fans need to put names forward.

As noble as it is, we seem obsessed with British and English players. Other clubs find value overseas yet we do not. There should be a balance. I’ve never known a Rovers squad with so few foreign players. Raya and Nyambe bring the only first team regulars with Leutweiler making up the squad’s foreign players.

And Lenihan 

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Just now, chaddyrovers said:

If Graham is out then we have to play differently and don't use it has excuse. 

I seen him a few times and you can see his talent and potential. 

Ive very happy with the Video I posted. Show a lot of ability and skills. His touch and pace was there to see. Those games were clips from Championship games and the video wasn't a short video but show more than goals like his pace, touch, footwork and his skills. 

If we sign him I would be extremely pleased and very happy

But you said you dont want us to sign players for lots of millions in June !

Why do you change your mind so much?

This is why the Chadometer came about !

Have an opinion and stick to it instead of changing it to suit the current management team !

Previosuly you did not want us spending millions - now you want us spending millions on 'potential' and a youtube clip! Do you not see why people get so wound up with your postings?

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10 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

 

Yes I did say that. No problem but With is signing a player of Brereton ability and his potential has seen me change my view. I never thought we would be looking to sign Brereton or even a chance to sign him after he was linked with Liverpool for 10 mil plus not long ago. still surprise they are looking to sell him tbh. If Mowbray can develop Brereton like he done with Dack we have a very good player at the club.  Feel free to ask any more questions Stuart and I will answer them

Where did I ever say posters cant debate potential signings? 

Already explained why I change my mind. 

I want Brereton here cos of the ability and potential of him

Tom, with all respect I never thought we ever had a chance of signing him at all this summer or ever but our bid for him on transfer deadline day show we want him and can afford him

Come on chaddy be honest..you had never heard of him until he was linked..you are like the rest of us..looking at youtube videos of him.  Unless you have your own personal scouting network

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@chaddyrovers £8m just seems way over the top for a player with potential.

It also seems hugely unlikely for us to pay that much and would make us the third highest net spenders in the division after Stoke (£14m) and Forest (£15m - if we buy Brereton from them). Nobody else comes close.

(Source: https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/championship/transfers/wettbewerb/GB2/plus/?saison_id=2018&s_w=&leihe=0&intern=0)

The only way this one works is if we sell a player - with Dack being the most obvious.

It makes no sense at the prices being discussed.

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Just now, chaddyrovers said:

If Graham is out then we have to play differently and don't use it has excuse. 

I seen him a few times and you can see his talent and potential. 

Ive very happy with the Video I posted. Show a lot of ability and skills. His touch and pace was there to see. Those games were clips from Championship games and the video wasn't a short video but show more than goals like his pace, touch, footwork and his skills. 

If we sign him I would be extremely pleased and very happy

Or we could sign a player that can ensure that we dont have to totally change the way we play when a key part of it, Graham, who is also incapable of playing all the time, is missing? You cant have everyone wanting to run beyond the ball, you need someone who the ball can stick to.

When did you see him? The video is only the good things hes done, not the times he fell on his arse, when he hit row Z or when the ball rolled under his foot. Can find one of anyone on youtube, making Heskey look like Pele, Carlos Villanueva like Maradona, Liam Feeney look like Ronaldinho and Elliott Ward like Franz Beckenbauer.

On the flip side, Forest fans in the main from what I can see rate him highly, want him to stay unless the fee is big, but mainly think he is not capable of being a lone striker, which is what he would be in our team. If hes a weak striker who can play wide who likes to get in behind, isnt that what Armstrong does?

I'm not saying we shouldnt sign him, hes clearly a talent but your argument has more holes in it than a golf course. Basing it on a video that can make anyone look good, and totally changing your opinion at the drop of a hat to ensure you appear happy about anything that is happening is always going to cause ridicule.

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1 minute ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

And Lenihan 

In the scheme of the debate, I’d include Irish with British or certainly home nations. Appreciating this won’t sit well with you as an Irishman. Put it another way, I don’t really see our Irish cousins as foreign.

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22 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

I don't think he would have to fail all that spectacularly to not be trading hands for 8 million again. It's a lot of money. He would only have to show he was below average or not develop much further and we would make a significant loss.

Get what you mean, if it's a failure of a number of seasons we'd lose a lot. But if we cut ties after one season having only scored 5-6 goals having started 25+ games (similar to Dominic Samuel last year) i'd still expect us to recoup most the fee. It's certainly less of a potential loss then spending 8m on a 28 year old who fails. Granted less likely to be a failure if you're buying someone with a track record.

 

Anyway, point of my original message was i wouldn't buy him. 

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Just now, bboy said:

Get what you mean, if it's a failure of a number of seasons we'd lose a lot. But if we cut ties after one season having only scored 5-6 goals having started 25+ games (similar to Dominic Samuel last year) i'd still expect us to recoup most the fee. It's certainly less of a potential loss then spending 8m on a 28 year old who fails. Granted less likely to be a failure if you're buying someone with a track record.

 

Anyway, point of my original message was i wouldn't buy him. 

I would buy him...but not at 8 mil. Perhaps performance added bonuses on top of the 5 we put in and a sell-on fee. Even that seems over the top really but...

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10 minutes ago, JacknOry said:

But you said you dont want us to sign players for lots of millions in June !

Why do you change your mind so much?

This is why the Chadometer came about !

Have an opinion and stick to it instead of changing it to suit the current management team !

Previosuly you did not want us spending millions - now you want us spending millions on 'potential' and a youtube clip! Do you not see why people get so wound up with your postings?

Already explained Jack. 

Dont like the answer dont bother quoting and replying to me. Couldnt care less tbh

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8 hours ago, Fraserkirky said:

Saw him once against Arsenal and I remember he was bloody brilliantl

I thought I'd never heard of him until people mentioned the arsenal game. I remember him being awesome in that game albeit against a weakened arsenal side. It's the only game I've seen him play but I would be excited if Tony pulled it off. I don't think it will happen but never the less we can hope

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39 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

 

I seen him a few times and you can see his talent and potential. 

Ive very happy with the Video I posted. Show a lot of ability and skills. His touch and pace was there to see. Those games were clips from Championship games and the video wasn't a short video but show more than goals like his pace, touch, footwork and his skills. 

If we sign him I would be extremely pleased and very happy

Yes, you've seen him a few times since we've been linked with him and , hey presto, suddenly rate him highly (thanks google and wiki). Bearing in mind your scattergun approach to mentioning potential targets just admit you'd never bloody heard of him.before.

As far as I'm concerned I'm 'keeping my powder dry' and I'll believe and critique any big cash signing if (a big if) and when I see it.

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16 minutes ago, roverandout said:

Come on chaddy be honest..you had never heard of him until he was linked..you are like the rest of us..looking at youtube videos of him.  Unless you have your own personal scouting network

Sadly I had heard of him 2 seasons ago plus he had been linked with Liverpool in the past.

I watched alot of football every week. Always have and always will. 

 

15 minutes ago, Stuart said:

@chaddyrovers £8m just seems way over the top for a player with potential.

It also seems hugely unlikely for us to pay that much and would make us the third highest net spenders in the division after Stoke (£14m) and Forest (£15m - if we buy Brereton from them). Nobody else comes close.

(Source: https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/championship/transfers/wettbewerb/GB2/plus/?saison_id=2018&s_w=&leihe=0&intern=0)

The only way this one works is if we sell a player - with Dack being the most obvious.

It makes no sense at the prices being discussed.

I can deffo see your points and you make a good case.

The Championship has seen less clubs over spending and beyond their means. Like Sheff Wednesday and Birmingham City. 

Cant see Dack going anywhere at the minute.(dont be suggesting that cos it cause messageboard meltdown haha)

 

14 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Or we could sign a player that can ensure that we dont have to totally change the way we play when a key part of it, Graham, who is also incapable of playing all the time, is missing? You cant have everyone wanting to run beyond the ball, you need someone who the ball can stick to.

When did you see him? The video is only the good things hes done, not the times he fell on his arse, when he hit row Z or when the ball rolled under his foot. Can find one of anyone on youtube, making Heskey look like Pele, Carlos Villanueva like Maradona, Liam Feeney look like Ronaldinho and Elliott Ward like Franz Beckenbauer.

On the flip side, Forest fans in the main from what I can see rate him highly, want him to stay unless the fee is big, but mainly think he is not capable of being a lone striker, which is what he would be in our team. If hes a weak striker who can play wide who likes to get in behind, isnt that what Armstrong does?

I'm not saying we shouldnt sign him, hes clearly a talent but your argument has more holes in it than a golf course. Basing it on a video that can make anyone look good, and totally changing your opinion at the drop of a hat to ensure you appear happy about anything that is happening is always going to cause ridicule.

Or we can develop a different way to play so we dont have to just 1 way and not be over relient on Graham. With Brereton and Armstrong in the team we would have pace up front finally after years of non of it. From what I have seen see no reason why he cant play up front. Maybe its how we play him and deliver the service to him. Same with Armstrong. Look at Josh King. Never played properly here and we lost a good player there for peanuts. 

He has been playing championship football for the last 18 months so plenty of time to see him. Karanka seems to want rid of young players Brereton.and sold McKay. Want foriegn players in mainly

 

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1 hour ago, CraigF said:

How much do you think Gestede cost Boro or Hogan cost Villa? It was nearly 8 million for them both. 

Strikers have always come at a premium. 

Someone made a good point about his wages, he wouldn’t be on that much compared to other strikers in the division, so if you worked it out over the length of four years say?

There's a reason why " he wouldn't be on that much compared to other strikers in the division". 

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3 hours ago, Heinz said:

News doing the rounds we have again made an improved offer for Ben Brereton. From 6m earlier this week to 8m now.

 

https://www.thesun.ie/sport/football/2998074/blackburn-make-improved-8m-offer-for-ben-brereton-after-nottingham-forest-rejected-6m/

thats a hell of a lot of money if you ask me for an unproven player at this level.

Not for me at that price. Walk away.

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It won't be £8 million, just like Rhodes wasn't £8 million. It might be half of that up front with the same again in installments, bonuses, add ons etc. Much of that will probably hinge on us surviving in the Championship, getting to the Premier League or him scoring X amount of goals or playing for England. If any of those happen his value will increase with it and Rovers will benefit by more than £8 million be that through his value increasing or by increased revenues as a club through being at a higher level.

In some ways it is a no brainer. At the age of 19 barring a horrendous injury his value is likely to at the very least stand still and probably increase further over the next 3-4 years by which time he will still only be 22-23 with a lot of Championship experience behind him.

Don't know much about him but I certainly won't be grumbling if the owners finally see sense and invest a substantial amount for a new forward. 

Seems a bit odd that people are so concerned by the prospect of spending such a sum of money when the motive here from the owners is investing now in a talent that ought to be worth more in a few years who they can sell then if they fancy, just like with Dack, Lenihan, Cairney, Duffy etc. They've made plenty out of sales without reinvesting so I think it is well overdue that they spend on a new player or two.

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6 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

There's a reason why " he wouldn't be on that much compared to other strikers in the division". 

Would that reason be because he's 19 and not necessarily reflective of his ability?

 

Let`s get this lad in in before Venkys shares take a nose dive and we`re back to rummaging through the reject bin to pad out squad numbers.

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6 minutes ago, JHRover said:

It won't be £8 million, just like Rhodes wasn't £8 million. It might be half of that up front with the same again in installments, bonuses, add ons etc. Much of that will probably hinge on us surviving in the Championship, getting to the Premier League or him scoring X amount of goals or playing for England. If any of those happen his value will increase with it and Rovers will benefit by more than £8 million be that through his value increasing or by increased revenues as a club through being at a higher level.

In some ways it is a no brainer. At the age of 19 barring a horrendous injury his value is likely to at the very least stand still and probably increase further over the next 3-4 years by which time he will still only be 22-23 with a lot of Championship experience behind him.

Don't know much about him but I certainly won't be grumbling if the owners finally see sense and invest a substantial amount for a new forward. 

Seems a bit odd that people are so concerned by the prospect of spending such a sum of money when the motive here from the owners is investing now in a talent that ought to be worth more in a few years who they can sell then if they fancy, just like with Dack, Lenihan, Cairney, Duffy etc. They've made plenty out of sales without reinvesting so I think it is well overdue that they spend on a new player or two.

I'm not looking at us in a few years time, I'm looking at where we're going to be next May.

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Seems a weird target to me. We were scrabbling around for freebies pretty much 12months ago. Cutting the costs of electric, stewarding, groundkeeping, cleaning and probably even the milk bills...and now throwing £8m at an unproven teenager with a meagre goal return. It could turn out to be a masterstroke but there's a lot riding on it. If it fails, are the V's going to sign off a future key £1m deal in Jan? Unlikely.

All very odd.

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We still need a centre-back(imo). Is the Chapman deal dead? That McGinn would have been a good buy.

I'd sooner see what money we have spread over several players who are better than we have than take a punt on one young lad.

That's just me but I always felt Mowbray had the same sort of caution. 

This is an exciting time---potentially. I hope we don't blow it.

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It's quite possible that we'd have an opt-out if he doesn't sufficiently impress during his loan.

I guess the questions we need to ask ourselves is do we trust Tony Mowbray's scouting network? Is BB sufficiently different enough from cheaper other options to warrant the fee?

Remember, Mowbray's network got us Dack. Guess the question is will BB be a Gladwin or a Dack.

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