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3 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

Course they can.

But what you find is that the folk that get involved in a sing song away from home, either don’t bother with home games ‘cos they’re shit’ or they are scattered across different stands, ergo nowt really gets going.

A lot of clubs have cottoned on to this, so are now setting up designated, unreserved areas to encourage it.

I think the unreserved part is more sellable than the singing section.

Phase one would be the top 5 rows of BBE lower unreserved seating where people can stand and sing.

But the real revolution is then phase two: turning that area into official safe standing. A club like Rovers should be leading the introduction by highlighting the market and demonstrating that it can be done safely.

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2 hours ago, JHRover said:

I was surprised to read on Rovers' website story about away crowds that we were 8th in the Championship for away numbers last season. I expected us to be perhaps mid-way or just below. Goes to show the 'small club' up against the 'big boys' narrative isn't really accurate (if that stat is true).

Suspect Villa, Leeds, Sheff Wed, Sheff Utd, Norwich are 5 of the 7 above us. Perhaps WBA/Stoke the others.

Saw this doing the rounds, seems more likely than Rovers picking a number out of thin air to me.

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2 hours ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Is this not something that fans groups should be leading as opposed to the club though? Same with "being scattered" is that not up to fans to choose where they sit?

 

Should be both. Just like it is elsewhere.

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4 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

It’s a price freeze with a new category for young adults. No reductions for full price tickets.

Will that on its own see a big increase? Not for me. Couple it with a singing section and then promote the hell out of it and we’d be getting somewhere.

A singing section in the DE didn't really work for most games. I think that was fan lead? Why would a club lead initiative be any different?

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1 hour ago, SIMON GARNERS 194 said:

What potential problems Gumboots?

Why not open up the BBE upper as a singing section,3,000 fans with flags,banners etc...not getting in the view of anyone else within the Stadium.

Just needs a bit of imagination and planning with supporters and the club working together to improve an awful match day atmosphere.

Not holding my breath though.<_< 

3,000? I think a success might be counted as 500.

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2 hours ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Is this not something that fans groups should be leading as opposed to the club though? Same with "being scattered" is that not up to fans to choose where they sit?

I just see a lot of blaming of the club re attendances, when the reality is the prices are decent and fans know the tickets are available. You can bring a horse to water.....

You're quite correct with this. Our lack of attendance, poor atmosphere, difficulty in selling more tickets is far more complex than whether or not there is a singing section. I've highlighted all this before with a lot of detail on my thoughts but what it really boils down to is when crowds were 20-25,000 many of those fans were not from the town. At 10-12,000 Rovers have probably got the core local support, beyond that the club has to look way beyond the town boundaries.

As for those who go away but don't go to Ewood because the atmosphere is, as I think mattyblue put it, shit? My philosophy in life has always been if you don't like it or don't agree get involved and do something constructive to change things. My father taught me that when I was 15. So for the fans who go away but not home the answer is simple. Get down to Ewood and help improve the atmosphere or stop moaning about it. Put up or shut up.

 

 

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Because as crowds dwindled post 2012, so did the Darwen End.

If the club now wants to grow its crowds again, why not work with fans to re-create one. Work on flags/banners etc?

Club after club are setting them up, and the large demographic of such areas are young adults.

They aren’t coming currently, so we just say ‘well they bloody well should!’ And that’s that? 

As I’ve always said, the key to increased crowds is increased season ticket sales and there are many ways to attempt that.

What’s to lose? 

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5 hours ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

If lower costs won't bring people back, nothing will. Barring promotion of course. 

Uh, venkys selling up would. 

5 minutes ago, Paul said:

A singing section in the DE didn't really work for most games. I think that was fan lead? Why would a club lead initiative be any different?

Utter rubbish, you don’t know what you are talking about. It worked just fine for such low numbers. 

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2 hours ago, SIMON GARNERS 194 said:

What potential problems Gumboots?

Why not open up the BBE upper as a singing section,3,000 fans with flags,banners etc...not getting in the view of anyone else within the Stadium.

Just needs a bit of imagination and planning with supporters and the club working together to improve an awful match day atmosphere.

Not holding my breath though.<_< 

3000 fans? How many come to Ewood at the moment? Would a singing section really pull that many? Again I'm not knocking the idea, just asking. 

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Singing section in the BBE upper? That’s a belter, THE SINGING SHOULD COME FROM ALL OF THE LOWER TIER, NOT JUST A FEW,

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Just now, old darwen blue said:

Singing section in the BBE upper? That’s a belter, THE SINGING SHOULD COME FROM ALL OF THE LOWER TIER, NOT JUST A FEW,

They need to starting singing songs that everyone can join in with then.

99% of songs are full of swearing and about a team 10 miles down the road, making it, at best, niche and, at worst, out of touch with the majority of Ewood fans.

That’s probably why many fans only go away because while they are in the minority at Ewood they are a much larger proportion of the away following.

The songs under Hughes’ time, and even Allardyce, seemed much more easy for the majority in the ground to get behind. I think we only have the “Dack in attack” song that gets any real traction.

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28 minutes ago, old darwen blue said:

Uh, venkys selling up would. 

Utter rubbish, you don’t know what you are talking about. It worked just fine for such low numbers. 

You may feel this is true if you were in that area. My view is it was generally very hard to hear and did nothing to get the rest of the crowd going. 

How many were in there actually singing? I'd say 2-300 possibly 400 at best. You have to be outside looking in to judge this not in the middle of it.

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Just now, Stuart said:

They need to starting singing songs that everyone can join in with then.

99% of songs are full of swearing and about a team 10 miles down the road, making it, at best, niche and, at worst, out of touch with the majority of Ewood fans.

That’s probably why many fans only go away because while they are in the minority at Ewood they are a much larger proportion of the away following.

The songs under Hughes’ time, and even Allardyce, seemed much more easy for the majority in the ground to get behind. I think we only have the “Dack in attack” song that gets any real traction.

Woke up this morning.

Tony Mowbray had a dream.

Walking down the Bolton Road.

We’ve a starman .

 

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Like it or not the club has some responsibility towards trying to improve atmospheres and attendance at Ewood Park. This goes way beyond running some reduced price ticket offers throughout a season. It requires imagination, ambition, determination to try different things. Unfortunately I've seen no evidence of any such thing in the time we've been out of the Premier League aside from a few gimmicks led by Alan Myers such as the Fanzone and singer pre-match.

Of course fundamentally an atmosphere at a ground stems from the fans inside it but as shown recently at Middlesbrough, Derby, Reading and Bristol City there are numerous initiatives clubs can come up with if determined enough to do it in an attempt to improve atmospheres at their grounds. Sometimes the club has to make more of an effort. Look at clubs like Norwich, Villa, Wolves and even Ipswich at this level all promoting the 'kop' concept with flags, banners and scarves dished out. Small things make big steps long term.

The truth is that unless we magic 10,000 fans from thin air then the atmosphere at Ewood will always struggle to live up to much with so much empty space. Same goes for PNE, Bolton, Wigan, Middlesbrough, Hull who have all got similar numbers of empty seats and similar sized grounds. But I absolutely do not accept the club has made every effort possible to improve things. Infact quite the opposite. Shutting down 2 home stands in 4 years with no consultation or serious efforts to relocate groups elsewhere is frankly shocking and a complete own goal. The pitiful situation in closing the DE and doing nothing to replicate it elsewhere has resulted in a tiny number of people down by the corner flag still miles away from the away fans now shunted upstairs. 

I'm afraid if the club has the view that 10-12,000 is 'our level' and that's that then they might as well give up. There are a lot of people in this part of the world and the club has to make things more appealing to as many of those as possible.

Of course structurally there are issues at Ewood too. 6000 seats are cut off upstairs a long way away from the action. 5000 seats are in the old Riverside which is an outdated structure a long way from the pitch and other stands. It isn't like being at WBA or Forest where the ground is tight and everyone packed close together. 

That's before we get onto the pre and post match routine. Drab music played at low volume, little to no imagination on trying to whip the fans up for games, no build up, nothing at half time. It really is poor and lacking in imagination. To most people such things are unimportant but small things like turning up the volume and playing some more appropriate music than the dreary version of Wild Rover might encourage people to start some songs going before kick off. 

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7 minutes ago, JHRover said:

Like it or not the club has some responsibility towards trying to improve atmospheres and attendance at Ewood Park. This goes way beyond running some reduced price ticket offers throughout a season. It requires imagination, ambition, determination to try different things. Unfortunately I've seen no evidence of any such thing in the time we've been out of the Premier League aside from a few gimmicks led by Alan Myers such as the Fanzone and singer pre-match.

Of course fundamentally an atmosphere at a ground stems from the fans inside it but as shown recently at Middlesbrough, Derby, Reading and Bristol City there are numerous initiatives clubs can come up with if determined enough to do it in an attempt to improve atmospheres at their grounds. Sometimes the club has to make more of an effort. Look at clubs like Norwich, Villa, Wolves and even Ipswich at this level all promoting the 'kop' concept with flags, banners and scarves dished out. Small things make big steps long term.

The truth is that unless we magic 10,000 fans from thin air then the atmosphere at Ewood will always struggle to live up to much with so much empty space. Same goes for PNE, Bolton, Wigan, Middlesbrough, Hull who have all got similar numbers of empty seats and similar sized grounds. But I absolutely do not accept the club has made every effort possible to improve things. Infact quite the opposite. Shutting down 2 home stands in 4 years with no consultation or serious efforts to relocate groups elsewhere is frankly shocking and a complete own goal. The pitiful situation in closing the DE and doing nothing to replicate it elsewhere has resulted in a tiny number of people down by the corner flag still miles away from the away fans now shunted upstairs. 

I'm afraid if the club has the view that 10-12,000 is 'our level' and that's that then they might as well give up. There are a lot of people in this part of the world and the club has to make things more appealing to as many of those as possible.

Of course structurally there are issues at Ewood too. 6000 seats are cut off upstairs a long way away from the action. 5000 seats are in the old Riverside which is an outdated structure a long way from the pitch and other stands. It isn't like being at WBA or Forest where the ground is tight and everyone packed close together. 

That's before we get onto the pre and post match routine. Drab music played at low volume, little to no imagination on trying to whip the fans up for games, no build up, nothing at half time. It really is poor and lacking in imagination. To most people such things are unimportant but small things like turning up the volume and playing some more appropriate music than the dreary version of Wild Rover might encourage people to start some songs going before kick off. 

Surely you sum up the reign of the Loons, they have ripped the heart out of our club.

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Just now, toooldforthis said:

Turn the volume up???  You havin a laff??  Many of us stay on the concourse until KO cos the PA volume is too bloody loud!!!!

Its quieter than any other ground I've been to. I can barely hear the announcements at times in the lower tier of the Jack Walker.

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Just now, Proudtobeblue&white said:

Surely you sum up the reign of the Loons, they have ripped the heart out of our club.

Yep. Comes back to taking an interest in making the club better. Not the same as writing off losses when due and leaving things as they are.

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I post on here, will continue to do so, and love Blackburn Rovers. I have no love whatsoever for those that "own" the club. I thought long and hard about going to the Swansea game, but the cricket season was with us, and me and my son watched that rather than a dead rubber at a knock down price. I've posted ideas for price structure and ideas to improve the atmosphere, as have you and many others. 

I just feel the Loon era has killed the club back to the pre-Jack era, yet without the love. Going away in the 70's 80''s is akin to now, but then we had a small ground that rocked. Now we have a morgue. They have let us rot, irrespective of their investment, which they do to save face. Nothing more, nothing less. Sadly I am one losing the reason to return. I hope TM gets the green light for a promotion push. Time will tell.

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1 hour ago, rigger said:

Woke up this morning.

Tony Mowbray had a dream.

Walking down the Bolton Road.

We’ve a starman .

 

Danny graham

He scores when he wants

We'll keep the blue flag, flying high

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2 hours ago, Stuart said:

They need to starting singing songs that everyone can join in with then.

99% of songs are full of swearing and about a team 10 miles down the road, making it, at best, niche and, at worst, out of touch with the majority of Ewood fans.

That’s probably why many fans only go away because while they are in the minority at Ewood they are a much larger proportion of the away following.

The songs under Hughes’ time, and even Allardyce, seemed much more easy for the majority in the ground to get behind. I think we only have the “Dack in attack” song that gets any real traction.

All we did mainly under Hughes and Allardyce is sing every single players name too the tune of the “Benni McCarthy” chant! The Salgado song was probably the best too come out of those era’s, and obviously the “Turkish delight” song for the main man. Both those songs still get sung away from home at times so maybe you do have a point..

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15 hours ago, old darwen blue said:

Uh, venkys selling up would. 

Utter rubbish, you don’t know what you are talking about. It worked just fine for such low numbers. 

Maybe in the short term it would, but if new owners came in and we were still id table or lower, I bet you that attendances would be the same as now in a seasons time. 

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I often toy with the idea of the club literally going for broke with pricing to answer any doubts about attendances. For the ease of maths 10k @ £200 is the exact same amount as 20k @ £100. The club could be transparent and say we are doing this to tempt back fans, encourage new fans and reward existing fans. If it doesn’t work and the club is worse off the pricing strategy will revert to original pricing the following season. 

A problem does obviously arise when a tiered season on season price rise comes in, but the hope obviously has to be the experience has made fans want to come back season after season and pay a little more.

More footfall will surely bring in higher revenue, as the vast majority of matchday items for sale have huge mark ups and also more footfall encourages bigger advertisement revenue in the ground etc.

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The atmosphere or lack thereof is a major problem, I think it costs on the pitch as well as off it.

Watched a YouTube video by a arsenal fan , going to the a game on the ‘Yellow  Wall’ , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJ6VSmv9C3g  The singing their which is mega organised and led by people with megaphones. Personally I don’t think that level of orchestration  will go down to well with your average Lancastrian, we’d  be better served with a few leather lunged individuals starting chants.  

If I was the club, I’d really give some serious consideration to a singing section in the Blackburn End, front and central.  Get the mood right in the Blackburn End and if a song starts it will catch, you can see that even now. My plan would be.

By application 100 season tickets on Direct Debit at half price, if you’re not singing you lose your half-price ticket.    

Arrange a couple of nights a month  for members of the singing section in Blues bar, half price drinks , free chips or whatever, to work on their singing and come up with new songs.

Make the bar areas in the concourse bigger and quicker.

Give season ticket holders a £2 voucher to spend in the ground if they get to the game 45mins before kick off.

Come up with an ‘entertainment’ program leading up to kick off designed to get an atmosphere, my preference would be some 90’s indie to sing along to, but suspect that members of a singing section would have better suggestions.

 

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We need a song that's special to us and can be sung by everyone. "Blue Moon" "Forever Blowing Bubbles" "You'll Never Walk Alone" etc.

Can't think of one, mind! :(

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