arbitro Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 Just now, Hasta said: When the referee blew his whistle the ball was out of play. You are correct. The game should have restarted with a Wednesday corner. If I had been the Wednesday skipper I would have insisted on a contested drop ball. It looked to me that the referee took it upon himself to drop the call to the Chelsea keeper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hasta Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, S8 & Blue said: Oh good. Ha. Fuck Wednesday. Surely it’s written in the VAR rulebook though that it should be a drop ball. I think VAR can only give penalties. Therefore, as the ref never gave the corner, VAR can't give the corner, which is where I'm saying it hasn't worked correctly. If we have VAR then surely we should be ending up with the correct outcome. Similar happened on Thursday night with the Hazard penalty incident. Edited January 27, 2019 by Hasta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewood Ace Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 9 minutes ago, S8 & Blue said: Play has to “stop” when the referee blows his whistle surely? It’s the only way football decisions can work. But the ball had already gone out of play when he blew his whistle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBlue Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 It’s the rules chaps. I’d be more pissed off with my team not contesting the dropped ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewood Ace Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, S8 & Blue said: It’s the rules chaps. I’d be more pissed off with my team not contesting the dropped ball. But play wasn't stopped as the ball was already out of play when the whistle was blown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arbitro Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 Just now, S8 & Blue said: It’s the rules chaps. I’d be more pissed off with my team not contesting the dropped ball. But the ball begin out of play overrides that as no offence has been committed. The referee didn't stop the game when the ball was in play, the ball was out of play so a corner was the correct restart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBlue Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 Eh? He awarded a penalty and then reversed his decision. It’s literally the rules to have a dropped ball restart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
had.e.nuff Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 9 minutes ago, arbitro said: But the ball begin out of play overrides that as no offence has been committed. The referee didn't stop the game when the ball was in play, the ball was out of play so a corner was the correct restart. play stops at the point of the offence not where the ball stops so technically the ball is in play at the time of contact . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIMON GARNERS 194 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 Wednesday offered nothing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
had.e.nuff Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 24 minutes ago, S8 & Blue said: It’s the rules chaps. I’d be more pissed off with my team not contesting the dropped ball. An unconteted drop ball is the only fair way as you would be punishing the defending side for a fair tackle ,also if a penalty was awarded and it was over ruled for a dive a contested drop ball would reward the diver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBlue Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 Just now, had.e.nuff said: An unconteted drop ball is the only fair way as you would be punishing the defending side for a fair tackle ,also if a penalty was awarded and it was over ruled for a dive a contested drop ball would reward the diver. Suppose it is fairer. But the referee can’t tell you to contest/not contest, and surely the players would feel aggrieved at it being overturned... It might not be a good look to go in shin-banging but Wednesday could have scored from it, and would have stopped the opening goal. Need everything you can get at Stamford Bridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arbitro Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 16 minutes ago, had.e.nuff said: play stops at the point of the offence not where the ball stops so technically the ball is in play at the time of contact . But there was no offence committed so as the ball was out of play a corner should have been the restart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hasta Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 It may well be the correct call by the ever changing rules of VAR, but the fact is that using VAR ultimately led to the wrong decision. Therefore VAR hasn't 'done its job' as people keep saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBlue Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 It overturned a penalty that wasn’t a penalty. It’s not going to cook your dinner too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arbitro Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 32 minutes ago, S8 & Blue said: Eh? He awarded a penalty and then reversed his decision. It’s literally the rules to have a dropped ball restart. If the ball had still been in play yes but it wasn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
had.e.nuff Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, arbitro said: But there was no offence committed so as the ball was out of play a corner should have been the restart. in the opinion of the refferee he gave an offence thats why he blew his whistle Edited January 27, 2019 by had.e.nuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazza Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 Time to scrap VAR. Lunatics in football have made the whole process too complicated as I knew they would. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arbitro Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, had.e.nuff said: in the opinion of the ref he saw an offence thats why he blew his wistle He did but the ball was over the goal line when he did. VAR overruled him as no offence was seen. The restart should have been a corner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBlue Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 Just now, arbitro said: If the ball had still been in play yes but it wasn't. The ball is dead when the referee thinks a foul is committed. For example - your line of thinking could lead to this: Similar tackle, not a penalty but the referee thinks so, blows his whistle. The ball doesn’t go out but spins around the penalty area. Pleading and in frustration a defender picks the ball up. The penalty is overturned. But you would want another penalty as the restart! They’re not just making it up as the go along you know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
had.e.nuff Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 Just now, arbitro said: He did but the ball was over the goal line when he did. VAR overruled him as no offence was seen. The restart should have been a corner. not when he saw the challange the ball was being challanged for then it went off the pitch it took him a second to blow his whistle thats why the ball went off the pitch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arbitro Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 6 minutes ago, S8 & Blue said: The ball is dead when the referee thinks a foul is committed. For example - your line of thinking could lead to this: Similar tackle, not a penalty but the referee thinks so, blows his whistle. The ball doesn’t go out but spins around the penalty area. Pleading and in frustration a defender picks the ball up. The penalty is overturned. But you would want another penalty as the restart! They’re not just making it up as the go along you know. But the game is stopped so the ball is effectively dead as it was by the ball going over the goal line. Once this happens the handball in your scenario can't be penalised as the game us stopped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arbitro Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, had.e.nuff said: not when he saw the challange the ball was being challanged for then it went off the pitch it took him a second to blow his whistle thats why the ball went off the pitch He blew when the ball was over the goal line. That's the reason he should have started with a corner. If the ball was still on the field of play when he blew then a drop ball is correct. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBlue Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 You’re wrong, but ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
had.e.nuff Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, arbitro said: He blew when the ball was over the goal line. That's the reason he should have started with a corner. If the ball was still on the field of play when he blew then a drop ball is correct. referees are not instantaneous devices they need time to react Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arbitro Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 1 minute ago, had.e.nuff said: referees are not instantaneous devices they need time to react Correct but they have to enforce the Laws of the Game. The VAR should have advised him on the correct restart having reviewed the incident. By the way I refereed around 1000 games of football over a 25 year period. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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