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Venkys - Welcome or Not?

Venkys - Welcome or unwelcome?  

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  1. 1. If Venkys apologised and stated that they would attend the next home game, how would you feel?

    • Hostile towards them
    • Willing to forgive and draw a line
    • Wouldnt care at all


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Just thought it might be worth making a poll to see the extent of peoples feelings towards the owners if they returned.

Seen quite a few people suggest they would welcome the owners back due to the money they put in and their "efforts" to repair the damage. And obviously still some saying no way to the idea of forgiveness.  

If mods feel like its unnecessary or if its too similar to the existing Venkys thread, please delete.

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I wouldn't welcome them back, but at the same time I wouldn't be openly hostile to them as I don't think violence or indecent behaviour does anything to paint the support in a positive light. No option for that, so, other, I guess? 

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Difference between welcoming them back and accepting them back. I don't think I'd ever applaud their arrival or cheer them on the pitch, not unless something very drastic happened, but at the same time I don't take umbrage at them turning up from time to time to watch a game and I don't think I would ever hurl abuse or throw things at them as I think it could do more harm.

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I have voted hostile - that would never be overtly physical, but they deserve a full barrage of verbals informing them of what they have put us through as fans. They seem completely oblivious to that. Well, completely oblivious to most things, save for the cash draining out of their bank account. Do they even know their own end game?

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Let's be honest if they have rovers best intentions and seriously want rovers in the premiership and to do well the last thing we need is for them to come back. The last thing we need now is the fan based divided again. If they show up you would get the hostile voters being just that and the forgive and move on lot having ago at the hostile lot. It's our own mini brexit lol. 

If they don't care stay away and feck off, if they do, then stay away and feck off until we are an established premier league side at the very minimum.  we can have another poll to see if we can let you Grace this beautiful northern town without getting snowballed if they manage to get us back to where we where when they found us

 

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They came and went at times in the height of all the nonsense and barely got any stick only when they turned up in Andersons pre arranged pantomime did it really tip people over the edge !   I'm sure they've been since then and only got stick when the upped and left on 60 mins ?

Couldn't care less now as long as they do it respectfully or low key after all they have us by the goolies and they go hand in had with their money so like it or not they are entitled, I don't say that easily but it's a fact.

To be honest it's middlemen i'd rather not hear of, see or smell anywhere near Ewood ever again at the min over these lot.

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I've chosen 'Willing to forgive and draw a line' which maybe a little hypocritical coming from me, seeing as though I set up the "2 quid to get rid" campaign and the VenkysOut website...

 

I don't know, I just feel as though something has clicked, I have no evidence to support this, and if Tony Mowbray walked out tomorrow then the shit might hit the fan again but for now I'm willing to see how it goes. 

As others have said, there is no way on this earth I would clap them onto pitch or sing their name, but I do appreciate that they are putting millions per year into the club (their own fault) and they could quite easily walk away if they wanted to. 

 

The one quote that always sticks with me is this from Andy Cole...

 "a trusted little bird told me two months ago what was going to happen. He said that the club would be taken over by an Indian company and that Sam would be pushed aside, to be replaced by the coach Steve Kean. If Keano does well then he keeps the job. If I knew that, then Sam did and he is probably right to think that he is been stabbed in the back."

I wish he would come out and explain this further as I believe it would answer so many questions.

If the option was there to switch owners tomorrow, it would be a yes please cya later from me, that option isn't there and I don't think it will be for a long, long time and therefore I think, for now, we have to...

Forgive but never forget. 

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If the owners are truly in it for the long term then it is  undoubtedly in the mutual interests of Fans, Players, Management, Ancillary Employees, that everyone is singing from the same hymn sheet. Mowbray whom most supporters feel has the best interests of the Club at heart has openly recently stated that he would like to see circumstances where the owners can return. 

I do not expect any kind of grovelling apology as some seem to want but there should come a time when an apologetic tone and explanation could create a more forgiving climate for them.

No one could be expected to forget the disastrous recent history. Forgiveness may take a long while to achieve. Just getting along without barbs and histrionics would be an acceptable position for me to take.

 

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I think the key bit in the poll question is ‘If Venky’s were to apologise’...

Never going to happen. They would rather piss away tens of millions of pounds than apologise and admit mistakes. Their ludicrous superiority complex, total lack of humility and complete stubborn arrogance makes it unlikely I’ll ever get close to forgiving them.

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If the Coyle/SEM stuff hadn't happened in 2016 I might take talk of them turning a corner or whatever else a little more seriously, but that whole episode stunk and keeps my suspicions raised even with a relatively painless past 18 months. 

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For me Never Forgive, Never Forget, Never make them welcome. They have lost a generation of supporters for the club. The damage they have overseen will far outlive their stay at Ewood.

Support the team, Venkys if they insist on staying involved should do the best thing they can do and stay well away. The mere mention of opens old wounds and divides the fan base it would be even worse should they rock up at a game. Out of sight out of mind 

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2 minutes ago, DE. said:

If the Coyle/SEM stuff hadn't happened in 2016 I might take talk of them turning a corner or whatever else a little more seriously, but that whole episode stunk and keeps my suspicions raised even with a relatively painless past 18 months. 

Some fans have incredibly short memories.

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4 minutes ago, pk1875 said:

Some fans have incredibly short memories.

I genuinely believe that getting promoted from the Third Division was enough for some fans to forgive them. What about local businesses who saw a big drop in match day takings and the staff at Ewood who were made redundant or given reduced hours all due to the owners absolute incompetence. Their rap sheet is huge, it's a big no from me to ever see them at Ewood again 

 

 

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3 hours ago, arbitro said:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2010/nov/19/venkys-completes-takeover-blackburn-rovers

For me in this instance time will never heal. She said "we will absolutely respect the Jack Walker legacy". They might as well have melted his statue and sold it scrap.

Don't give them ideas ! They can come over next time it snows if they like.

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It’s hard to really give a complete opinion on this because I know many people would have plenty to say.

The crux is, the Rao ownership have made considerable errors and the fans paid for it. The reason for those “errors” is obviously disputed and I don’t want to get into that.

The problem I have with hostility or a constant grudge is it does nothing positive for me or the club. Hate ain’t healthy. Especially when Rovers are a key form of entertainment/escapism.

Finally - the future is far more important. Do I believe a “more welcomed Rao” might be beneficial long term? I guess it depends how long they intend to stay - and they’ve never even considered the option to sell. Would I be able to accept them at the club again without feeling obliged to boo? I’m not sure I could answer that question because timing would be key.

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Personally I would be willing to forgive, forget and draw a line. I think it's a bit too early still though. They need to keep pumping money in to improve the squad, not just shove money in to fill the financial hole that they, one way or another, are responsible for. 

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1 hour ago, Biz said:

It’s hard to really give a complete opinion on this because I know many people would have plenty to say.

The crux is, the Rao ownership have made considerable errors and the fans paid for it. The reason for those “errors” is obviously disputed and I don’t want to get into that.

The problem I have with hostility or a constant grudge is it does nothing positive for me or the club. Hate ain’t healthy. Especially when Rovers are a key form of entertainment/escapism.

Finally - the future is far more important. Do I believe a “more welcomed Rao” might be beneficial long term? I guess it depends how long they intend to stay - and they’ve never even considered the option to sell. Would I be able to accept them at the club again without feeling obliged to boo? I’m not sure I could answer that question because timing would be key.

I'm off the same opinion tbh as you. 

Tho I differ on the Rao coming to watched a game, I see as they are connected again with the club and willing to invest in the club and Mowbray again. Mowbray has build a rapport up with them where they trust him and his judgement. So to be their big thing with them Trust

Do I trust them? no

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1 hour ago, Biz said:

It’s hard to really give a complete opinion on this because I know many people would have plenty to say.

The crux is, the Rao ownership have made considerable errors and the fans paid for it. The reason for those “errors” is obviously disputed and I don’t want to get into that.

The problem I have with hostility or a constant grudge is it does nothing positive for me or the club. Hate ain’t healthy. Especially when Rovers are a key form of entertainment/escapism.

Finally - the future is far more important. Do I believe a “more welcomed Rao” might be beneficial long term? I guess it depends how long they intend to stay - and they’ve never even considered the option to sell. Would I be able to accept them at the club again without feeling obliged to boo? I’m not sure I could answer that question because timing would be key.

It may surprise you, Biz,  but I agree with you there.

The past is gone and hate is unhealthy. My concern is about their intentions. There was not just one"error"/act of sabotage, but several. Also, there have been periods of so called stability before, but they have been brought to a sudden end by another act of sabotage.

The Coyle business on its own means we must beware of what child protection workers might  call "the rule of optimism" e.g.

                            Believing that what we are seeing is progress;

                            Filtering out or minimizing areas of concern;

                            Focusing only on strengths and ignoring what is not working

                           Overly positive interpretations of what is going on.

Not that we can actually intervene or make a difference to anything Venky's do,  but I suggest it is far too early to define everything, as fine behind the scenes..

I guess the trick is to prevent negativity influencing what happens on the pitch.

I think TM and the players have done a huge amount in re-building a positive relationship between the team ( club?) and the supporters.

Edited by Leonard Venkhater

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18 minutes ago, Leonard Venkhater said:

It may surprise you, Biz,  but I agree with you there.

The past is gone and hate is unhealthy. My concern is about their intentions. There was not just one"error"/act of sabotage, but several. Also, there have been periods of so called stability before, but they have been brought to a sudden end by another act of sabotage.

The Coyle business on its own means we must beware of what child protection workers might  call "the rule of optimism" e.g.

                            Believing that what we are seeing is progress;

                            Filtering out or minimizing areas of concern;

                            Focusing only on strengths and ignoring what is not working

                           Overly positive interpretations of what is going on.

Not that we can actually intervene or make a difference to anything Venky's do,  but I suggest it is far too early to define everything, as fine behind the scenes..

I guess the trick is to prevent negativity influencing what happens on the pitch.

I think TM and the players have done a huge amount in re-building a positive relationship between the team ( club?) and the supporters.

Like I said - the intentions, reasons and reactions to the errors they’ve made are fuel for a long and convoluted debate, from the absurd to the utter ridiculous; Facebook messages about potential targets, text messages from fans on line ups, then the utter negligence in terms of a “contracts for the boys” mentality and then everything else on top.

Thing is, that’s in the past. The Raos need to keep pumping in the maximum possible within reason, continue to run the club with an actual board structure and remit from Ewood, allow those “target set” employees to make decisions on hiring proper managers and signing players and finally - staying away from them personally having any remit about a sport and club they’ve never fully understood.

Apologies in words are meaningless. Compare us to 12 months ago though, ignoring that they put us in league 1 ultimately, we are a lot closer to returning to the top ten or mid table premier league club that they inherited.

If they can achieve that, I’d accept that as apology. Minimum. 

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Find it very interesting that slightly more would be willing to forgive and forget rather than greet them with hostility.

I know that when the topic arose ie when a junior member of the family tested the water in the way he did the other day, I still felt animosity towards the idea in the pit of my stomach.

Would I protest? (as in the past) No I wouldnt. But I certainly hope they stay well away and a League 1 promotion and a year and a bit of stability hasnt removed my dislike of them by any means.

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43 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I'm off the same opinion tbh as you. 

Tho I differ on the Rao coming to watched a game, I see as they are connected again with the club and willing to invest in the club and Mowbray again. Mowbray has build a rapport up with them where they trust him and his judgement. So to be their big thing with them Trust

Do I trust them? no

So out of interest, if they came back, would you think it was positive or would you dislike it?

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Just say Mowbray was lured away by a more successful club. What would happen then ? We'd be back playing a guessing game as to who the Chokers would appoint next. We could go backwards as quickly as we've gone forwards. That's why I don't want them anywhere near the Club again.

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13 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

So out of interest, if they came back, would you think it was positive or would you dislike it?

if they came back? They haven't gone anywhere yet, they still owned the club. 

if your question was if they were to attend games again I would I feel about it? Its would depend on what happens at the time and whether they keep investing in the club and backing Mowbray. 

For me, there isn't a right answer here but everyone opinion will be differ and their choice

9 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Just say Mowbray was lured away by a more successful club. What would happen then ? We'd be back playing a guessing game as to who the Chokers would appoint next. We could go backwards as quickly as we've gone forwards. That's why I don't want them anywhere near the Club again.

very hypnotical comment judging by Mowbray just signing a new contract and his comments about owing the club something regarding the potential Dack problem ahead. I feel that Mowbray feels that he owned the fans and the club the duty to get back to the Premier League 

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4 hours ago, DE. said:

I wouldn't welcome them back, but at the same time I wouldn't be openly hostile to them as I don't think violence or indecent behaviour does anything to paint the support in a positive light. No option for that, so, other, I guess? 

I'm with you on this. No-one is advocating violence or abuse of any kind on here as far as I can see, so I don't think anyone should be assuming they will like @JHRover has. Let's not jump the gun, they've had 1 snowball thrown at them and not a lot else since they rocked up. Considering the damage they've wrought Rovers fans have been incredibly restrained. So I take exception to posters painting it like there's a hate mob ready to lynch them. There isn't. 

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