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Venkys - Welcome or Not?

Venkys - Welcome or unwelcome?  

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  1. 1. If Venkys apologised and stated that they would attend the next home game, how would you feel?

    • Hostile towards them
    • Willing to forgive and draw a line
    • Wouldnt care at all


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2 hours ago, joey_big_nose said:

I'd say a 7/10. Hes got us promoted and competitive in the top half of the Championship on very little if you exclude Brereton. If Dack goes he will bring £20m+ into the club.

I can't see how that's a 5/10.

Im not sure its fair to ignore a 7 million elephant in the room! Hes had favourable budgets in both League 1 and in terms of net spend, the Championship. Has to be a factor in any judgement.

If he had to name his best 11 now, I suspect that Raya, Nyambe, Lenihan, Mulgrew, Williams, Evans, Bennett and Graham would all be in it.

That would leave only 3 of his own signings making the team. Dack is the first name on it. Reed has been a terrific temporary acquisition. The 3rd is one open to debate with no one really nailing it down, with even Conway (another inherited signing) seemingly as close to the team as any of Rothwell, Palmer and Armstrong at the moment.

The likes of Bell, Downing, Smallwood and even Armstrong have big question marks in terms of competence at this level, albeit the latter 3 contributed plenty towards last season. Palmer, Rodwell, Rothwell and Brereton (as well as Armstrong again) all have big question marks in terms of identity and tangible contribution. A few come under the category of supporting roles in League 1, Antonsson, Payne, Samuel, 2 temporary and one injured but I would again doubt that any of them 3 would be good enough in this league. And there have been some total stinkers, Hart, Gladwin etc

I would personally give the most recent transfer window the lowest mark. Although quite a few of his signings from last season have question marks at Championship level, I don't think you could argue against them contributing to various degrees last season, Smallwood and Armstrong played major roles, Downing was important with Lenihans injury and Antonsson chipped in with a few goals again in the first half of the season. He spent a lot of money in the summer, only Reed has nailed down a place, and there are question marks about many of the others and how fit for purpose they really are with the squad looking slightly imbalanced and shallow in a few areas.

Compared to player recruitment and balance of squad, Mowbray comes up particularly favourably in terms of the job hes done getting the best from those he inherited. Raya, Nyambe and Lenihan have all developed under his management. Mulgrew has thrived as a leader as captain and been able to concentrate on his best position, centre back. Evans has gone from fall guy to unsung hero this season and Graham was written off by many but now he seems better than ever, and has been as good as any of our players this season.

Of course, the main thing to judge on is results. And hes come up favourably on that too! 

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New filing at Companies House today. Another £6.550 million cash injection into Venkys London Limited which will no doubt be loaned on to BRFC limited as previously.

Total cash outlay by Venkys since day one now stands at just over £163 million with over £16 million being spent in the last 12 months.

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They must rue the day Anderson came knocking almost as much as we do.

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12 minutes ago, PLJPB said:

New filing at Companies House today. Another £6.550 million cash injection into Venkys London Limited which will no doubt be loaned on to BRFC limited as previously.

Total cash outlay by Venkys since day one now stands at just over £163 million with over £16 million being spent in the last 12 months.

Ouch. That's a costly clusterfuck 

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7 hours ago, PLJPB said:

Another £6.550 million cash injection into Venkys London Limited which will no doubt be loaned on to BRFC limited as previously.

 

That doesn't buy you much from Forest these days.

 

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On 04/03/2019 at 16:24, SIMON GARNERS 194 said:

163 Million...to relegate a Club from the Premiership to Div 1.

Beggars belief.

I bet the club under Jack almost broke even - including the stadium build.

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If I met Balaji this weekend.........I would try to see how the power dynamics in the VH group members panned out, and what sort of guy he is before paying the cards out ("there's usually only one of those in a pack"). Then I'd try and talk him round to the point of view that a proper board and youth/recruitment structure is important and needs investment. Don't listen to agents and go for some snake oil miracle cure, find the right manager and build the club again. Do a Bournemouth.

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Would probably have you addressing him as Sir and have you on your knees in his devine presence Norbert!

Bet he'd let you kiss his Medallion though :rolleyes:

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1 hour ago, Norbert Rassragr said:

If I met Balaji this weekend.........I would try to see how the power dynamics in the VH group members panned out, and what sort of guy he is before paying the cards out ("there's usually only one of those in a pack"). Then I'd try and talk him round to the point of view that a proper board and youth/recruitment structure is important and needs investment. Don't listen to agents and go for some snake oil miracle cure, find the right manager and build the club again. Do a Bournemouth.

🤣 There's more chance of training with Theresa May.

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17 hours ago, Pedro said:

I bet the club under Jack almost broke even - including the stadium build.

I was curious about this...in the a/cs year ending June 2001 (i.e. after his death) Rovers lost £31m & the balance sheet showed accumulated losses of £70.9m.

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7 hours ago, Herbie6590 said:

I was curious about this...in the a/cs year ending June 2001 (i.e. after his death) Rovers lost £31m & the balance sheet showed accumulated losses of £70.9m.

Ahh, yes. There was all the nonsense signings during the Kidd and Hodgson era.

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21 hours ago, Rover_Shaun said:

🤣 There's more chance of training with Theresa May.

I know, I was trying to paint a more constructive way of talking than incoherently calling him and his family a shower of s--t who ruined the club like many of us would in this hypothetical situation. And it hasn't snowed for a while.

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I know Uncle Jack was lurking behind the scenes for a while but it was essentially 1991 when he was acknowledged to be funding the club prior to becoming the owner. As we know, he sadly passed away in August 2000. Nine years.

We have now had the ‘honour’ of suffering under under the wretched Venky’s for the same length of time. Nine frigging years.

It’s like death by a thousand cuts. And then some.


 

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He'll only use the standard 20 million per season to keep us going get out of jail card again.  Totally sidelining the fact they've created that themselves but i think in the Ewood hierachys world and Vs themselves as long as they do that everything else is ok and should be forgiven.

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It’s quite upsetting that Venkys now have owned us longer than Jack. A huge insult to his legacy. Even worse that the current mantra around the club seems to be “think small”.

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7 hours ago, JHRover said:

Incredible how much time has been and gone under their ownership. 

At my age I was too young to really enjoy the golden era of the early to mid 90s and wasnt old enough to be able to go to the European games abroad in the 2000s. The point at which I was able to travel and immerse myself in Rovers was in the late Hughes era of 2007-08. Unfortunately for me 9 of the 12 years since then have been dire. Bad timing.

As for Venkys - I can't think of a single thing in 9 years that they have improved at Rovers. 9 years and god knows how many millions of pounds and not a single element of the club is better than it was when they arrived.

Financially it is a disaster zone.

Footballing wise we are nowhere near.

Comercial/Corporate - regression

Infrastructure- zero investment beyond essential maintenance and it shows 

Boardroom- almost an insult to compare to what it was.

All the while smaller clubs without the 'benefit' of billionaire owners and Walkers legacy have caught up and overtook us.

Simple question for Waggott at the start of the next consultation meeting -

Steve, please can you name one single thing at Rovers that has benefited from Venky involvement in the last 9 years?

If not, why should we be grateful at being £150 million in debt to them for it?

 

 

 

In those nine years with the club sinking inexorably all we have received in the way of communication are reports on how things are improving and how the future is bright. Only Lambert has ever dissented from the party line. The consultation meetings are a waste of time since it only gives a platform to those with a vested interest to propagate further spin. Hats off to those who attempt to put them on the spot but the cynic in me tells me that evasion, obfuscation and lies will prevail.

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5 hours ago, Stuart said:

It’s quite upsetting that Venkys now have owned us longer than Jack. A huge insult to his legacy. Even worse that the current mantra around the club seems to be “think small”.

Not to be pedantic (as I liked the latter 2 sentences) but Jack owned the club for 9 years and 7 months. Plus his influence was there in the immediate aftermath of his death (and shortly before his takeover) though obviously that didn't last long. 

Edited by Vinjay17

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Quite a problem that it is now more than 18 years since the owner/largest shareholder in the club actually wanted to own it, wanted to improve it, wanted to better it and acted on that.

I don't need to repeat things about Venkys and their complete lack of interest or pride in Rovers (can't even be bothered to come to the UK to watch the odd game). 

But even before Venkys we had reluctant and disinterested owners who had no interest in the club or growing and improving it. Admittedly they had the sense to employ capable people to run it for them but they were at best caretakers holding the fort whilst trying to get rid of the club.

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3 hours ago, JHRover said:

Quite a problem that it is now more than 18 years since the owner/largest shareholder in the club actually wanted to own it, wanted to improve it, wanted to better it and acted on that.

I don't need to repeat things about Venkys and their complete lack of interest or pride in Rovers (can't even be bothered to come to the UK to watch the odd game). 

But even before Venkys we had reluctant and disinterested owners who had no interest in the club or growing and improving it. Admittedly they had the sense to employ capable people to run it for them but they were at best caretakers holding the fort whilst trying to get rid of the club.

...but JH they were not supporters and they didn't care about football. That's the usual excuse from certain people isn't it?

So let's say Jack had left a trust fund for scientific research of rare diseases. Would people say "oh well they don't have that disease themselves. They probably won't get it either so why would they care about it?". Would they give in to every whim of a greedy family there as well (and still have legal action taken against them) or is it just football clubs where trustees can make up rules as they go along?

Edited by Vinjay17

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