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Venkys - Welcome or Not?

Venkys - Welcome or unwelcome?  

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  1. 1. If Venkys apologised and stated that they would attend the next home game, how would you feel?

    • Hostile towards them
    • Willing to forgive and draw a line
    • Wouldnt care at all


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On 19/11/2020 at 16:35, Mattyblue said:

Think you are misreading the mood Dreams, like I said on the last page there’s been a real sea change in how they are perceived since League 1.

Away from this board, I seldom hear anything negative towards them. Indeed if I aired my views at Ewood these days I’d probably get rounded upon...

I can't speak for others, but I don't think there's much in the way of a significant number of 'pro-Venkys' Rovers fans. 

The divide as far as I see it is the group who believe (rightly or wrongly) that Venkys are necessary/inevitable/manageable in the short term and those who see getting rid of them as the main priority for the football club. I agree that many more fans would now fit in the first category rather than the second compared to when Coyle was in charge, but I don't think it's fair to characterise this as a sea change in how they are perceived in any meaningful way. 

Take a straw poll of Rovers fans of all persuasions and I'm certain the vast majority will say that Venkys have been a disaster - how could they not? We almost all agree that the decisions that were made under their stewardship have wrecked the club. Where lots of us differ is how we can best move forward from where are now, but I don't think you'll find too many fans in the more pragmatic camp using words like 'welcome' or 'forgiveness'. Completely misses the point, and arguing about that sort of language  serves to exaggerate the percentage of fans who are actively pro-Venkys, of whom I'm convinced there are a pretty derisory number. 

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Just my opinion, but I don’t know why things need to be so black and white as far as Venkys and the ‘protesters’ are concerned.

There was some clearly shady dealings going on during the Kean era and the overall management of the club was shambolic. People were rightly angered at what was going on and the efforts that the likes of Glen et al put in to shine a light on it all and expose it for what it was has to be commended. I think it’s to everyone’s great credit that the penny finally dropped with the owners and Kean was eventually sacked, ties with Kentaro were cut etc.

However, I think what has to be recognised is that Venkys haven’t just turned off the taps or sold up just because they were the target of a lot of hatred from the club’s supporters. They’ve actually made efforts to rectify their past mistakes by investing in our academy, covering our losses, funding transfers and putting the right people in place to run the club (finally). 

To me that speaks volumes about their character and their intentions. I’m not expecting many on here to agree with me on that point and I’m sure many don’t even agree that the right people are running the club now, but for me I see a major difference between then and now.

I’m in a completely different boat to most on here being an overseas fan, but this is the most connected I’ve felt to the club in a long time. I am not 100% convinced by Mowbray, but he is the right sort of manager that I want at the club. He’s also brought in the ‘right’ sort of players to the club. Seeing a back four of academy players in JRC, Lenihan, Wharton and Nyambe a few weeks back was a great feeling. We are light years away from the days of Kean, Shaw, Danny Murphy, Orr, Duffy etc.

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Being pragmatic, if Rovers were offered for sale today, the sort of people who destroyed Wigan, Bolton, Bury, Macclesfield, Chester... would undoubtedly be pushing aggressively to buy us.

This is the most uncontroversial post I have written on brfcs.com

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6 hours ago, Admiral Nelsen said:

I can't speak for others, but I don't think there's much in the way of a significant number of 'pro-Venkys' Rovers fans. 

The divide as far as I see it is the group who believe (rightly or wrongly) that Venkys are necessary/inevitable/manageable in the short term and those who see getting rid of them as the main priority for the football club. I agree that many more fans would now fit in the first category rather than the second compared to when Coyle was in charge, but I don't think it's fair to characterise this as a sea change in how they are perceived in any meaningful way. 

Take a straw poll of Rovers fans of all persuasions and I'm certain the vast majority will say that Venkys have been a disaster - how could they not? We almost all agree that the decisions that were made under their stewardship have wrecked the club. Where lots of us differ is how we can best move forward from where are now, but I don't think you'll find too many fans in the more pragmatic camp using words like 'welcome' or 'forgiveness'. Completely misses the point, and arguing about that sort of language  serves to exaggerate the percentage of fans who are actively pro-Venkys, of whom I'm convinced there are a pretty derisory number. 

I would have totally agreed... until recently. Now? There’s been a definite move to actual support and gratitude towards them, not just ‘we have to put up with them, we’ve no alternative’

If you haven’t spotted that shift, fair enough, but it’s happened.

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3 hours ago, Miker said:

Just my opinion, but I don’t know why things need to be so black and white as far as Venkys and the ‘protesters’ are concerned.

There was some clearly shady dealings going on during the Kean era and the overall management of the club was shambolic. People were rightly angered at what was going on and the efforts that the likes of Glen et al put in to shine a light on it all and expose it for what it was has to be commended. I think it’s to everyone’s great credit that the penny finally dropped with the owners and Kean was eventually sacked, ties with Kentaro were cut etc.

However, I think what has to be recognised is that Venkys haven’t just turned off the taps or sold up just because they were the target of a lot of hatred from the club’s supporters. They’ve actually made efforts to rectify their past mistakes by investing in our academy, covering our losses, funding transfers and putting the right people in place to run the club (finally). 

To me that speaks volumes about their character and their intentions. I’m not expecting many on here to agree with me on that point and I’m sure many don’t even agree that the right people are running the club now, but for me I see a major difference between then and now.

I’m in a completely different boat to most on here being an overseas fan, but this is the most connected I’ve felt to the club in a long time. I am not 100% convinced by Mowbray, but he is the right sort of manager that I want at the club. He’s also brought in the ‘right’ sort of players to the club. Seeing a back four of academy players in JRC, Lenihan, Wharton and Nyambe a few weeks back was a great feeling. We are light years away from the days of Kean, Shaw, Danny Murphy, Orr, Duffy etc.

I would not lump Duffy with the others mentioned.

He was a young emerging footballer who turned into a complete twat to force a transfer away from a madhouse, so it can be argued that his atrocious behaviour  towards the end of his time at Rovers was for personal and footballing reasons.

The others were complicit to varying degrees in much worse. I deem them cunts.

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2 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

I would have totally agreed... until recently. Now? There’s been a definite move to actual support and gratitude towards them, not just ‘we have to put up with them, we’ve no alternative’

If you haven’t spotted that shift, fair enough, but it’s happened.

 

Entirely possible that I've just not picked up a shift during the pandemic. It's true that I've seen the odd post on social media which have used words like welcome & forgiveness, but then again these platforms are well known for amplifying minority voices.

I'll take some convincing that the large majority of match-going fans aren't Venkys-sceptics in some form or another, albeit with a large an increasing number with a bit of a pragmatic response.

As you say though, I could be wrong.

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Not scientific at all, but take a straw poll with those around you when we are back in Ewood (whenever the feck that is), I’d be surprised if you didn’t notice it. 

There had already been a massive change in attitudes with match going fans I know and my away game crew in recent times in comparison to say 2016, nevermind 2012.

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4 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

Not scientific at all, but take a straw poll with those around you when we are back in Ewood (whenever the feck that is), I’d be surprised if you didn’t notice it. 

There had already been a massive change in attitudes with match going fans I know and my away game crew in recent times in comparison to say 2016, nevermind 2012.

The friends and family I go with very rarely give them a mention, probably a case of out of sight, out of mind so I can't gauge how they feel. I think that's the case with a lot of fans who don't use message boards and other social media.

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I’d agree that they are rarely mentioned unless prompted.

I’d say we are the Mowbray Club now more than anything, I can’t recall a time where one figurehead seemingly dominates all aspects of the club (well maybe Jack) and conversation between fans - enduringly popular too.

Though perhaps not surprising due to the power vacuum this regime has created within a hollowed out club.

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I’ve been totally nauseated this week by the Lancashire evening telegraph’s pro Venky propaganda. For all we hit the nadir with Kean and then coyle I think they’re as useless today as they were then, they’re just less involved.

Currently whether fans think we should replace Mowbray or not the one think I think everyone agrees on is that there is little chance the Venkys will make a half way decent decision. Even appointing Mowbray, which has worked out better than anyone dare think at the time, it was probably more to do with a certain Middlesbrough based football agency than any grand plans. 

The boardroom led by Swag is still a shambles. For all they unfathomably pay the bill (well run up debt with the bank of India) my position on them is unchanged over the decade never forgive never forget.

The Venkys are scum of the earth. 

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The international break, unfortunately, was  inadvertently badly timed to coincide with the ‘anniversary’, it meant the LT had loads of blank space day after day to fill with ‘drawer stories’.

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1 hour ago, Mattyblue said:

I’d agree that they are rarely mentioned unless prompted.

I’d say we are the Mowbray Club now more than anything, I can’t recall a time where one figurehead seemingly dominates all aspects of the club (well maybe Jack) and conversation between fans - enduringly popular too.

Though perhaps not surprising due to the power vacuum this regime has created within a hollowed out club.

Yes Matty it's now apparent that Mowbray has engineered himself into a pretty much autonomous position, more by chance though I think. Lots have bought into his slow build mantra and in fairness he does a decent selling job on most aspects of the playing side to the masses, mainly through his good honest guy, working class stuff. He is undoubtedly the best appointment they have made after a succession of crooks and under achievers and lots of fans are happy with that fact. My view is that it's a really low bar.

Personally I don't buy all his bluster.

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13 minutes ago, arbitro said:

Yes Matty it's now apparent that Mowbray has engineered himself into a pretty much autonomous position, more by chance though I think. Lots have bought into his slow build mantra and in fairness he does a decent selling job on most aspects of the playing side to the masses, mainly through his good honest guy, working class stuff. He is undoubtedly the best appointment they have made after a succession of crooks and under achievers and lots of fans are happy with that fact. My view is that it's a really low bar.

Personally I don't buy all his bluster.

Have to ask why this self proclaimed open, honest man of the people has (appointed) a charlatan called Swag as his lackey in all but job description.

I dont buy any of his bullshit.  

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6 hours ago, Miker said:

I am not 100% convinced by Mowbray, but he is the right sort of manager that I want at the club. He’s also brought in the ‘right’ sort of players to the club. Seeing a back four of academy players in JRC, Lenihan, Wharton and Nyambe a few weeks back was a great feeling. We are light years away from the days of Kean, Shaw, Danny Murphy, Orr, Duffy etc.

I think that's pretty much my view. He's brought some excellent players to the club (and some overpriced mediocrity) and has done well integrating the Academy lads into the first team. The club really was in a sorry state after Coyle so credit where it's due. And getting us back into the Championship first time of asking was no mean feat either if you consider the clubs that have languished in Div 1 for years.

Sadly,  I just don't think he'll ever get us in the Prem, or even the PO's. 

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10 hours ago, Miker said:

Just my opinion, but I don’t know why things need to be so black and white as far as Venkys and the ‘protesters’ are concerned.

There was some clearly shady dealings going on during the Kean era and the overall management of the club was shambolic. People were rightly angered at what was going on and the efforts that the likes of Glen et al put in to shine a light on it all and expose it for what it was has to be commended. I think it’s to everyone’s great credit that the penny finally dropped with the owners and Kean was eventually sacked, ties with Kentaro were cut etc.

However, I think what has to be recognised is that Venkys haven’t just turned off the taps or sold up just because they were the target of a lot of hatred from the club’s supporters. They’ve actually made efforts to rectify their past mistakes by investing in our academy, covering our losses, funding transfers and putting the right people in place to run the club (finally). 

To me that speaks volumes about their character and their intentions. I’m not expecting many on here to agree with me on that point and I’m sure many don’t even agree that the right people are running the club now, but for me I see a major difference between then and now.

I’m in a completely different boat to most on here being an overseas fan, but this is the most connected I’ve felt to the club in a long time. I am not 100% convinced by Mowbray, but he is the right sort of manager that I want at the club. He’s also brought in the ‘right’ sort of players to the club. Seeing a back four of academy players in JRC, Lenihan, Wharton and Nyambe a few weeks back was a great feeling. We are light years away from the days of Kean, Shaw, Danny Murphy, Orr, Duffy etc.

I agree with a lot of this. There is one inaccuracy though and that was Kean was never sacked. He walked (under pressure). 

For me an apology for Kean and the earlier mistakes would go a long way especially whilst they have their actions over the last few years to back it up. I think it would help draw a line for a lot of people who want to let go of that anger but can't

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5 minutes ago, AllRoverAsia said:

Have to ask why this self proclaimed open, honest man of the people has (appointed) a charlatan called Swag as his lackey in all but job description.

I dont buy any of his bullshit.  

My view is that it strengthened his position within the club. It gives him even greater autonomy having a chief executive who he had a hand in appointing. If the rumours of Swag retiring are true his successor will be an interesting appointment.

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I do find it quite amusing reading online comments about Venkys from the remaining 8000 as though their opinions in some way reflect reality.

Such endorsement is akin to 70 year followers of Cliff Richard discussing the merits of his latest offering compared to the last. I am not sure this is an accurate or unbiased opinion folks.

Meanwhile the same 8000 try their best to ignore what happened to the 15000 or why. Politely applauding in an empty room, punctuated by silence amidst empty seats and ghosts of "not proper fans". Yet the 15000 are ones who can remain objective and choose to remain away realising nothing has changed.

The dismantling of Jack Walker's legacy is inextricably linked to our current owners and their many previous employees. As are the hundreds of lost local businesses, destroyed livelihoods and the primary reason for the shell of what was (not long ago) our proud town.

I wonder what Jack thinks of our crumbling stadium. Of why we can't afford to wash the fascias or open the club shop, yet continue to fully fund the daily upkeep of Neville mansion.

Meanwhile the 8000 continue to debate the current shade of rosyness in their own Rovers garden and welcoming back the masters of our destruction with open arms.

Arguably the 8000 has now become 2500 elitists clamouring for forgiveness of the family, not least Mr Murray.

The silent majority of Rovers fans just don't care until they fuck off.

#VenkysOut

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For a very different take on things than the local media outlets Have put out this week...

https://roversradio.co.uk/listen-live

Todays show starting at 1pm, discussion is centred round the iFollow numbers released this week, and we move on to the marketing at the club.

 

Tomorrow from 1pm is my talk with Glen - not to be missed!!

 

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Just now, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

@Miller11 good shout on Coldplay. Fuck that 😉

They are banned!

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Just now, Miller11 said:

They are banned!

Knew there was a reason we were pals. What a bag of shite they are!

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