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Rovers at the Toon FA Cup 3rd Round: Saturday 5th January 2019 - 5.30pm

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Not concerned about the result at all.

Fir me Conway is no longer good enough for our team, Smallwood, although he improved, began the game awfully as did Bell.

we move on

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2 hours ago, renrag said:

Agree with you, I watched on TV and in one angle they showed from behind the scorer, the ball was moving all over the place. However, I can’t  understand how the linesman missed the offside.

Had the linesman done a proper job the goal wouldn't have stood and we wouldn't be having the inquest and castigation of Raya's role

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2 hours ago, rovers11 said:

I thought we did quite well last night in what was a patched up side. The defence struggled but I think that's understandable when you are missing four defenders and your right back is playing centre half. The grit and determination within the squad is outstanding. We lack a lot of quality but we often make up for that in passion and energy. We saw that again last night. When that energy drains, we collapse and our lack of quality is exposed - hence why we concede so many late goals. 

Positives - What a player Lewis Travis is! One of the best players on the pitch again despite not being as good as he has been in previous games. Graham was outstanding too. Nice to see Armstrong score another. I'm not sure he particularly wanted or expected to score with that shot (it looked like he tried to hit it straight at the keeper to me and he looked gutted when it squirmed under the keeper into the net).  

Negatives - Smallwood and Bell showed again that they are the real weak links in the side. Brereton also looked woeful again, unfortunately. I think he will come good as he's only very young but he looks well off it at the moment. 

Hang on, you mean he’s better than that? First time I saw him last night and I haven’t been so excited about an academy player since Jones’ debut!

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5 hours ago, RoversClitheroe said:

Absolute disgrace in my opinion. 

Plays 3 at the back with 1 natural CB. Says he's going to put faith in youth - doesn't even put Grayson as one of the 3 in the first place. In shock.

Travis, Graham, Lenihan class.

Grayson had played for the U23's on Monday evening. I'm sure if Mowbray had known that Rodwell was going to be ill and unable to play, he wouldn't have played on Monday and may have featured last night. However, expecting the lad, no matter how young and fit he may be, to play 2 games in 24 hours probably isn't realistic.

3 hours ago, rovers11 said:

I thought we did quite well last night in what was a patched up side. The defence struggled but I think that's understandable when you are missing four defenders and your right back is playing centre half. The grit and determination within the squad is outstanding. We lack a lot of quality but we often make up for that in passion and energy. We saw that again last night. When that energy drains, we collapse and our lack of quality is exposed - hence why we concede so many late goals. 

Positives - What a player Lewis Travis is! One of the best players on the pitch again despite not being as good as he has been in previous games. Graham was outstanding too. Nice to see Armstrong score another. I'm not sure he particularly wanted or expected to score with that shot (it looked like he tried to hit it straight at the keeper to me and he looked gutted when it squirmed under the keeper into the net).  

Negatives - Smallwood and Bell showed again that they are the real weak links in the side. Brereton also looked woeful again, unfortunately. I think he will come good as he's only very young but he looks well off it at the moment. 

Not saying that Brereton played well, but I don't think he was the worst player on the pitch for Rover last night. In fact, we looked much better with him on than Conway, who did very little. Now that may not be particularly high praise, but if you try and forget the fact the price tag and remember that he is only 19, it gives me some hope, as rovers11 said, that he will come good given time. How many players currently in the championship (or even the Premier League) were the finished article, or even featuring in the first team regularly, when they were 19? I think (and hope) that Ben will continue to develop and we will see some real improvement over the next 2 or 3 years.

Now, obviously that still raises the question, why pay the money that we reportedly have on him now, if he's not really ready, but Mowbray obviously sees some promise in him and believes he will flourish. If that's true, then £7m may eventually be a bargain considering how much even half-decent English strikers go for in the current transfer market. For us fans I think the best thing is to, like I say, try and forget the price tag and view him almost as one of our home grown youth players. For example Lewis Travis is getting a lot of credit for how he's playing at the moment, but I dare say that 2 years ago, when he was 19, he probably wouldn't have done quite so well.

My only hope is that his confidence doesn't get knocked so much at the moment that it stunts his progress going forward.

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The BT feed was the worst signal I have ever experienced from an English game. This was watching in a bar with multiple legitimate channels and every one was rubbish.

Finally seen the Joselu goal on a clean screen. The only excuse for the linesman was he was so far offside during the build up to the shot he was out of his peripheral vision.  Seriously, Joselu made next to no effort to get himself onside and his stare- not glance- back at the linesman said guilty.

Such a shame Graham and Brereton missed such fabulous chances but you put those away or Premier League sides punish you.

Crowd looked and sounded good on TV and Rovers did themselves no harm after the wobbly opening. First goal was good fortune but if you don't smack it, you don't get lucky. Rovers don't shoot from distance enough for my tastes. If you are willing to take a pop, defenders need to come out more to block creating holes behind them.     

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4 hours ago, rovers11 said:

I thought we did quite well last night in what was a patched up side. The defence struggled but I think that's understandable when you are missing four defenders and your right back is playing centre half. The grit and determination within the squad is outstanding. We lack a lot of quality but we often make up for that in passion and energy. We saw that again last night. When that energy drains, we collapse and our lack of quality is exposed - hence why we concede so many late goals. 

Positives - What a player Lewis Travis is! One of the best players on the pitch again despite not being as good as he has been in previous games. Graham was outstanding too. Nice to see Armstrong score another. I'm not sure he particularly wanted or expected to score with that shot (it looked like he tried to hit it straight at the keeper to me and he looked gutted when it squirmed under the keeper into the net).  

Negatives - Smallwood and Bell showed again that they are the real weak links in the side. Brereton also looked woeful again, unfortunately. I think he will come good as he's only very young but he looks well off it at the moment. 

It was patched up but made far more unconvential by Mowbrays spontaneous decision to change to a formation that left more square pegs in round holes than round ones! So yes sympathy with the injuries and illnesses but equally he deserves criticism for playing the system he did. The gap between Bennett (who couldnt overlap being on the wrong side) and Bell was very troublesome.

You mention Brereron, you say you think he will look good, I ask the same of @DaveyB is that literally just blind hope? As age alone is not enough to suggest potential. What does he offer?

Very fair post otherwise.

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7 minutes ago, philipl said:

The BT feed was the worst signal I have ever experienced from an English game. This was watching in a bar with multiple legitimate channels and every one was rubbish.

Finally seen the Joselu goal on a clean screen. The only excuse for the linesman was he was so far offside during the build up to the shot he was out of his peripheral vision.  Seriously, Joselu made next to no effort to get himself onside and his stare- not glance- back at the linesman said guilty.

Such a shame Graham and Brereton missed such fabulous chances but you put those away or Premier League sides punish you.

Crowd looked and sounded good on TV and Rovers did themselves no harm after the wobbly opening. First goal was good fortune but if you don't smack it, you don't get lucky. Rovers don't shoot from distance enough for my tastes. If you are willing to take a pop, defenders need to come out more to block creating holes behind them.     

And Dack!

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34 minutes ago, philipl said:

The BT feed was the worst signal I have ever experienced from an English game. This was watching in a bar with multiple legitimate channels and every one was rubbish.

Finally seen the Joselu goal on a clean screen. The only excuse for the linesman was he was so far offside during the build up to the shot he was out of his peripheral vision.  Seriously, Joselu made next to no effort to get himself onside and his stare- not glance- back at the linesman said guilty.

Such a shame Graham and Brereton missed such fabulous chances but you put those away or Premier League sides punish you.

Crowd looked and sounded good on TV and Rovers did themselves no harm after the wobbly opening. First goal was good fortune but if you don't smack it, you don't get lucky. Rovers don't shoot from distance enough for my tastes. If you are willing to take a pop, defenders need to come out more to block creating holes behind them.     

Bang on. We concede a lot of goals(it feels anyway) from distance, but rarely score them! 

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1 hour ago, philipl said:

The BT feed was the worst signal I have ever experienced from an English game. This was watching in a bar with multiple legitimate channels and every one was rubbish.

Finally seen the Joselu goal on a clean screen. The only excuse for the linesman was he was so far offside during the build up to the shot he was out of his peripheral vision.  Seriously, Joselu made next to no effort to get himself onside and his stare- not glance- back at the linesman said guilty.

Such a shame Graham and Brereton missed such fabulous chances but you put those away or Premier League sides punish you.

Crowd looked and sounded good on TV and Rovers did themselves no harm after the wobbly opening. First goal was good fortune but if you don't smack it, you don't get lucky. Rovers don't shoot from distance enough for my tastes. If you are willing to take a pop, defenders need to come out more to block creating holes behind them.     

That pathetic home shirt doesn't help tv viewers if the picture isn't great.

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1 hour ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

That pathetic home shirt doesn't help tv viewers if the picture isn't great.

The feed was completely stop start. Had plenty of still views of the shirt!

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I think our game and replay perfectly illustrated the ridiculousness of applying VAR on a selective basis.

Game 1 - Newcastle are awarded a penalty after a VAR referral.

Game 2 - Newcastle are unfairly awarded a goal despite being offside because VAR wasn’t used for the replay.

We could have won twice but the technology was both used and not used against us. What a stitch up!

If it can’t be deployed for every game in a round it shouldn’t be deployed at all. (Personally it should either be included all the time or none of the time).

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20 hours ago, DavidMailsTightPerm said:

Amazing to hear this Newcastle side cost £50m

£50m is a pittance for a Premier League these days. Our 1st eleven regularly cost less than one of our opposition's players.

19 hours ago, Doaksie said:

Newcastle following milking this like they've achieved something. They're playing a lower league team, and yet it's oles with an extra time victory and 2 offside goals. Hope they go down.

Celebration Police never take a day off, do they?

19 hours ago, philipl said:

Enjoyable game.

Premier League class won through but we could have nicked it.

When you look at our injured and ill list we were 7 or 8 players down.

Disagree there is nothing to play for- only 6 points off 6th means there is plenty to play for. Should be a fun last 19 games.

Think that's generous.

 

Joselu's goal was offside, no doubt. Don't think the refereeing was particularly good for either team though. Thought we made hard work of it, all too often a lack of quality or confidence lead to our lot making the wrong decisions at key moments. Pleased that three Newcastle Academy kids got goals. No surprises that big changes to the squad lead to such a fractured display, especially with two kids in the centre of the park. 

Going to extra time wasn't ideal, looks like we've lost two more players to injuries. To be honest deciding the game at St James' would have been better, whichever way it went. We could well have done with a week off after the Chelsea game, instead of having to face you lot. But we didn't do enough then and we barely did enough last night. We'll no doubt field another weakened side against Watford, so it begs the question, what's the fucking point?

 

Good luck with the rest of the season lads.

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11 minutes ago, Stuart said:

I think our game and replay perfectly illustrated the ridiculousness of applying VAR on a selective basis.

Game 1 - Newcastle are awarded a penalty after a VAR referral.

Game 2 - Newcastle are unfairly awarded a goal despite being offside because VAR wasn’t used for the replay.

We could have won twice but the technology was both used and not used against us. What a stitch up!

If it can’t be deployed for every game in a round it shouldn’t be deployed at all. (Personally it should either be included all the time or none of the time).

Agree with that. I think VAR should be in place in the Premier League, but if the cup opponents don't have it at their place, it shouldn't be available for the home leg.

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2 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

It was patched up but made far more unconvential by Mowbrays spontaneous decision to change to a formation that left more square pegs in round holes than round ones! So yes sympathy with the injuries and illnesses but equally he deserves criticism for playing the system he did. The gap between Bennett (who couldnt overlap being on the wrong side) and Bell was very troublesome.

You mention Brereron, you say you think he will look good, I ask the same of @DaveyB is that literally just blind hope? As age alone is not enough to suggest potential. What does he offer?

Very fair post otherwise.

Not saying he will definitely come good, rather that, at 19, he has the time and opportunity to develop and so it’s worth baring that in mind when making a judgment on him. I’d wager that most professional players, outside of the very top ones, would have looked out of place in the first team at 19 - even Fergie’s ‘kids’ at Utd were around 21 when they became regulars. 

So - yes to an extent - maybe it is just blind hope - but going off last nights game - if you watched that in isolation, you’d say that Brereton had more going for him than Conway (and probably Bennett). Plus Mowbray must presumably see some potential in him, and I assume he’s a) seen more of Brereton than I have and b) knows more about what makes a good footballer than I do

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As someone who hates VAR I'm willing to take the rough with the smooth with their offside goal, after all if Raya hadn't made such an erse of it it wouldn't have been a goal anyway.  You could say the same about the 4th goal as well come to that.  I thought we did OK in both games and could easily have got through so it's a horrible way for our season to be ended but there you go.  I'll never understand the formation played though, for me 3 at the back is asking for it and we looked wide open for much of the game.  These players just aren't used to playing that way and aren't good enough to easily adapt so it's a huge risk to play like that in a big game.

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On 16/01/2019 at 01:49, Rogerb said:

Was right in line with that shot it was moving all over the place Raya did well to get something on it the way it dipped and swerved at the last second in particular

I was wondering if anyone noticed how much that ball moved, the lad was a mile offside and I don't.know hiw it was missed.  Likewise the 2nd.  Missed or ignored?

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