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1 hour ago, Mellor Rover said:

So if he can’t be trusted in a 4, who plays there?

In the absence of having addressed the situation in January, Williams until the summer.

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10 minutes ago, SIMON GARNERS 194 said:

Can someone explain why Graham looks knackered,has he some serious long-term physical condition?

Players who can only perform half a season are NO good to us.

I suspect,admittedly without any evidence, that like a lot of older, high-mileage and heavily-built strikers he has a chronic back or hip condition 

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45 minutes ago, Neal said:

Wow. Well all of a sudden we're in a real mess. I hate to say it but a lot of it is down to the manager. Today was an absolute sh*t show from start to finish. No style of play, no method, no creativity and no leadership on and off the pitch. Today was a complete embarrassment, as my dad said, the players looked puzzled by what the manager was saying to them, he was changing formation and tactics every 2 minutes, Dack was playing centre half... It was an utter joke. I've seen him in his post match comments blaming the players, fair enough but he has to take a big slice of the blame here too because his management as of late has been totally inept. There comes a time when a manager has to realise throwing your players under the bus isn't the answer and take some of the blame. Tactics aside, he's making a lot of problems for himself. His use of Brereton has landed us in a really dire situation, his protection of him and constant playing him out wide has seemingly shattered his confidence and the confidence the fans have in him (Brereton) also. I've just spoken to my dad who was rightly saying that he needs to be taken out of the firing line because even sections of the fans are starting to turn on him (wrongly in my opinion). Had he played him through the middle when we first bought him this situation could be quite different. I'm not saying he'd have banged them in but he might have got himself a few and things would be looking a bit rosier. Now the only answer seems to be is to loan him out somewhere. If he goes to league 1 and does well then it's good for us because we might make some money back or he'll have gained much needed experience. If he fails then we have our answer and at least he's not done it on our time. If we were getting beat like we have done these past 4 games whilst experimenting and playing our younger players then I'm sure the fans would be more forgiving but obviously that's not the case. TM desperately needs to learn from these recent results, see the warning signs and crucially stop saying one thing in the press and doing another. He's invited a lot of unnecessary pressure onto himself, I don't like to tear him to bits in this way and it will take a lot more to be questioning his position but results, performances and decision making like this is only going to end up one way. 

 

There's not a lot a can say about the game. The first half was beyond a joke, I can't recall a performance as unorganised as that under TM, I've seen us play badly but today was just a complete shambles. Williams being sent off was a saving grace for the manager because he was forced into actually having a plan. I'm starting to have serious questions about Mulgrew and was surprised he stayed on ahead of Rodwell, I can only assume for set pieces. I think going forward Charlie has had his day and should now be used as a squad player, same goes for Benno. Graham looks knackered, it's time to bring Armstrong in through the middle and put Rothwell out wide. Nyambe at right back. Reed in the middle. Game time to Butterworth, Davenport and Magloire. Bring in Chapman when fit. Things need freshening up, players with nothing to fear can just add a spark to the current squad and sharpen everyone up, rather than picking the same old same old, it can only help and we have nothing to lose by trying. A lot that he should do, hope he has the bottle to do it else I fear things will get even worse. 

 

 

 

 

Good post. 

I was confused watching. Bennett was right back next thing he is left wing back. He's a trier, but why does Mowbray think he is undroppable? Makes no sense. 

Brereton out wide at this stage is just now plain stupid. Graham could barely move second half. Why isn't Brereton coming on for him? 

Mowbray is creating a right mess of his own making 

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1 hour ago, Mercer said:

"Lamb rogan josh with chips" - bloody hell Chaddy, chips with lamb rj, show a bit of class man!  Anyhow, enjoy!!!

You wanted Paul Hurst to replace Mowbray - wow, are you drunk?

I did enjoyed it. Cheer me up at least. 

No Im very happy with Mowbray in charge. 

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Same problems, different day. 

First half absolutely terrible but then again, how many decent first halves have we had at home this season? Hull and Leeds? Either by remarkable coincidence, or by design, we nearly always witness abject first half performances. Time after time we are devoid of any real creativity or intensity in the first half and don't show anything of any note until into the 2nd half. I'm sick and fed up with it. Countless times the opposition look brighter, bolder, quicker, and we go into half time with a zero next to our name and very little excitement. Turgid stuff.

I've been concerned for some time that Mowbray is tying himself in knots with his selections and tactics, and today took it one step further. It seemed half the players had no idea what they were supposed to be doing, half the team was moved around the pitch into various positions and formations. That might appeal to those who like to play Football Manager but I prefer to see a team well drilled, organised with a game plan that is stuck to and players who know their roles in the team. When i watch Rovers I don't see that, I see a team and manager all over the place, constantly chopping and changing, often for no real reason or to give people a rest etc. 

You get your best XI, get a formation that suits their skill set, and train them to understand their jobs. Numerous times Harrison Reed came running over to the technical area to speak to Mowbray and Mowbray was waving his arms around shouting. Seemed to me Reed was struggling to understand what the latest roll of the dice was. It must get confusing for people like him and Bennett when playing in 3 different positions and in 3 different formations, each changing by the game. 

The fact that we appear so confused, so disorganised and unclear as to what we are trying to do is solely the manager's responsibility. He has spent the season making needless changes, moving people around, changing formations and it looks like he's no nearer arriving at a set system or team which is very alarming. 

The speed with which we have disintegrated from being 2-0 up at Brentford and occupying a top 6 position to this shambles is very concerning, as has been our form since November, with the exception of that purple patch in January. Too many defeats and too many goals conceded - only going to end one way - if not this season then next - unless surgery is carried out.

I'd say it is time to go 'back to basics' but I don't think we are capable. We'll be missing players so it will be another case of shuffling the pack and coming up with some other weird selection to accommodate it. Two tough away days coming up. Can we 'do a Bolton' and grind out a win at Birmingham? Rotherham will be a dogfight as they desperately fight for survival and aren't bad at home. Could easily be looking at 6 defeats on the bounce here.

Special mention for the referee. The same one who booked Harrison Reed for 'timewasting' on a throw in at Bolton earlier this season managed to avoid sanctioning Middlesbrough., who took an age for every throw. Absolute disgrace. 

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Just now, JHRover said:

Either by remarkable coincidence, or by design, we nearly always witness abject first half performances. Time after time we are devoid of any real creativity or intensity in the first half and don't show anything of any note until into the 2nd half. I'm sick and fed up with it. Countless times the opposition look brighter, bolder, quicker, and we go into half time with a zero next to our name and very little excitement. Turgid stuff.

Spot on. It was the same last season too. The really good performances stand out because they are so rare.

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Anybody who's ever played football knows that teams don't like travelling away. Even top pro's prefer to be at home. The time to get at teams when you're at home is right from the off. The first 5 or 10 minutes. Get your foot on their throat  and keep it there. When did we last come out full of running and aggression ? 

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Another game when I looked at the starting lineup and knew we weren’t getting anything.

my guess on Tony’s plan is that the idea was to get in round the side of boro’s back 3 and the wing backs using the two repurposed strikers out there. Williams inclusion I think was due to his Ariel ability against a big side when we lack big Cb’s. Bennett at right back I can’t get my head round because he’s proved every week that he’s not a right back, my guess he trying to mould him into a right back as a long term option. 

Anyways Mowbray lost us that game with some poor tactical decisions, they completely overran us in midfield and we didn’t have a single touch in their box in the 1st half let alone a shot, pathetic. Then when he did change the shape after 25-30 mins we had Reed as a RWB, Bennett as LWB, Dack In CM and Armstrong and Brereton floating behind. IMO he wasn’t bold enough he should’ve changed the personnel if he was committed to changing shape.

Better 2nd half, down to 10 against a tough side to break down we created 2 good chances and should’ve taken one, although they had enough good chances to run away with the game ( fletcher is a handful and rubbish at the same time) 

Mulgrew was dreadful today and I hope it’s just a blip rather than the beginning of the end.

thought Rodwell wasn’t decent before he went of but I may be wrong

Williams should’nt play for us again

Dack was shunted about too much to make an impact didn’t help that he had to run about more, didn’t look sharp.

Evans was poor, Travis was better.

Brereton after playing okay on Wednesday went back to looking like he’d won a competition, the fans around me were starting to get on his back tooo which is a worrying sign. Id put him in the under 23’s and promote Butterworth.

Reed has tailed off but doesn’t help that he’s constantly plays for of position.

my hope is that when Chapman and Davenport are fit they come straight in along with the promotion of some of the under 23’s. Give Rothwell a start next week.

tine to start more aggressively fading some of the old guard out

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Just now, JHRover said:

Same problems, different day. 

First half absolutely terrible but then again, how many decent first halves have we had at home this season? Hull and Leeds? Either by remarkable coincidence, or by design, we nearly always witness abject first half performances. Time after time we are devoid of any real creativity or intensity in the first half and don't show anything of any note until into the 2nd half. I'm sick and fed up with it. Countless times the opposition look brighter, bolder, quicker, and we go into half time with a zero next to our name and very little excitement. Turgid stuff.

I think it's 5 goals in 17 first halves at home. We just seem to lack any motivation and desire to get on the front foot at home and take the game to the opposition, instead we seem happy to go in at half time 0-0.

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Just now, Ewood Ace said:

I think it's 5 goals in 17 first halves at home. We just seem to lack any motivation and desire to get on the front foot at home and take the game to the opposition, instead we seem happy to go in at half time 0-0.

Even Mowbray's stopped lying about us 'starting the game on the front foot' like he did all last season. 

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Just now, Ewood Ace said:

I think it's 5 goals in 17 first halves at home. We just seem to lack any motivation and desire to get on the front foot at home and take the game to the opposition, instead we seem happy to go in at half time 0-0.

To be fair I think we sometimes start the first half well - for the first 10 minutes or so - and look dangerous at times - but then after that we very quickly regress and it becomes a borefest. No coincidence that the better performances like Hull and Leeds came after we managed to grab a goal inside those critical first 10 minutes - from there confidence flowed. When we can't get our noses in front early on we end up spending 10-45 minutes on a road to nowhere. 

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41 minutes ago, Gavlar Somerset Rover! said:

So we’re going to be playing Nyambe and Mulgrew at centre half in all likelihood at Big Club. All while Paul Downing is on loan at Doncaster. Madness.

Wharton, Grayson and Platt are all out on loan too. Hopefully Magliore will get a call up, at least he is a centre half.

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It's simple

 

Home team

 

Raya

Nyambe Lenihan Mulgrew Bell 

Reed Travis 

Bennet Dack Armstrong 

Graham

 

Subs: Goalie, Williams, Rodwell, Evans, Rothwell, Chapman, Brereton

 

Away team 

 

Raya

Nyambe Lenihan Rodwell Bell

Reed Smallwood

Armstrong Dack Rothwell

Brereton 

 

Subs: Goalie, Williams, Mulgrew, Evans, Travis, Chapman, Graham

 

Everyone in or around where they should play. No Bennet at six positions crap. Give younger lads the chance to just go for it away with home games being the more experienced team.

 

Obviously when Lenihan is fit he plays. Williams stays on the bench and goes in the summer.

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Just now, Tom Stinny said:

It's simple

 

Home team

 

Raya

Nyambe Lenihan Mulgrew Bell 

Reed Travis 

Bennet Dack Armstrong 

Graham

 

Subs: Goalie, Williams, Rodwell, Evans, Rothwell, Chapman, Brereton

 

Away team 

 

Raya

Nyambe Lenihan Rodwell Bell

Reed Smallwood

Armstrong Dack Rothwell

Brereton 

 

Subs: Goalie, Williams, Mulgrew, Evans, Travis, Chapman, Graham

 

Everyone in or around where they should play. No Bennet at six positions crap. Give younger lads the chance to just go for it away with home games being the more experienced team.

 

Obviously when Lenihan is fit he plays. Williams stays on the bench and goes in the summer.

Not a fan of home and away teams as it does nothing to promote consistency. Especially defensively.

But why have you gone for a more conservative choice of winger at home?

And what has Brereton done to warrant further starts every other game?

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35 minutes ago, Ewood Ace said:

I think it's 5 goals in 17 first halves at home. We just seem to lack any motivation and desire to get on the front foot at home and take the game to the opposition, instead we seem happy to go in at half time 0-0.

That's an absolutely appalling statistic if true, and I think it most likely is. We've always been a 45 minute team under Mowbray and we're not in a division where we can get away with it as often as we did last season. We had a bit of momentum and a fair bit of luck at the start of the season, but it began falling apart in November and save for that brief spell in January (where, let's not forget, we played the likes of Millwall and Ipswich) it's been a really tough slog the past couple of months. The warning signs are all there, and I fear it'll only get worse in the summer when realistically we're likely looking at Dack and Reed departing. Meanwhile Graham and Mulgrew, who are already starting to falter now, will be a year older. We're suddenly looking at a lot of urgent replacements in a very short space of time, when you consider Rodwell may also be off and being brutally honest we almost need the entire back four replaced. Bringing a couple of fresh faces in during the January window would have made this process a little easier, but no, apparently that wasn't necessary. 

Personally I am very concerned as to where Mowbray is taking us. History suggests that he finds it very difficult to get out of these slumps once his teams begin to fall away.

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2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Already been to pick it. Just eating now mercer. Mix starter, Lamb rogan josh with chips, saag aloo and 2 garlic naan breads. Its very good quality, shame Rovers performance today wasn't. 

 

This is the Boro thread, not justeat. 🤫

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We drop back very early in games. Try and play on the counter or long balls to Graham. A few bits of Dack magic from time to time then adds variety. Some great points made on here tonight. I think there are some worrying trends developing. I would give Mowbray the summer, and I think he will be here regardless of how this season ends up. He needs to get us mathametically safe ASAP and then start trying to change our style of play. There have been no signs of it happening and we can't continue to play the same way next season.  He needs to get Chapman and Davenport in. Some good signs from them will be like two new signings. Rothwell and Brereton too. Get them in and decide once and for all if he wants them here.

Once we are mathematically safe I will be raging if he continues to play the same way. 

I don't know what can be done with the defence at this point. Maybe play Magloire and see how he gets on once we are safe. Nyambe has to be right back. Lenihan is a huge loss now, but just shows we shouldn't have let Downing leave on loan without a replacement. I know that we don't have enough defenders who are quick, aggresive and robust enough for this league. Such a rebuilding job is required, I don't think it can be fully sorted in one window unfortunately 

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1 hour ago, Gavlar Somerset Rover! said:

So we’re going to be playing Nyambe and Mulgrew at centre half in all likelihood at Big Club. All while Paul Downing is on loan at Doncaster. Madness.

It really is bad management..

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The only thing that I wondered was whether the bean counters insisted on a departure before authorising the Chapman signing. Whilst I understand Downing wanted to play and don't think he's particularly good it seems lunacy to allow him out on loan along with Wharton when we're so short in that area.

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Just now, JHRover said:

The only thing that I wondered was whether the bean counters insisted on a departure before authorising the Chapman signing. Whilst I understand Downing wanted to play and don't think he's particularly good it seems lunacy to allow him out on loan along with Wharton when we're so short in that area.

It wasn't financial. Mowbray just doing the right thing by the player. Which would have been fine if he signed a replacement. We could all see it coming a mile away. Worrying that Mowbray couldn't. 

 

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The team was totally wrong from the start,with 4 forwards and none of them really players who track back. Dack's play was mystifying and Mulgrew had his worst game since Coyle's dismal period.

Go way back to Brentford Away when at 3-2 to Brentford the Manager put on forwards instead of midfield stabilisers. And Lennie V said to me " Mowbrays going for it!"

From that point the ceiling has fallen in!!

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2 minutes ago, mhead said:

The team was totally wrong from the start,with 4 forwards and none of them really players who track back. Dack's play was mystifying and Mulgrew had his worst game since Coyle's dismal period.

Go way back to Brentford Away when at 3-2 to Brentford the Manager put on forwards instead of midfield stabilisers. And Lennie V said to me " Mowbrays going for it!"

From that point the ceiling has fallen in!!

Ya, what was the story with Dack today or pretty much for the last while? Is he turning into a comfortable mid table championship player? 

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