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On ‎25‎/‎05‎/‎2019 at 11:26, philipl said:

You have to remember:

1) Man U still labouring under Glazer ownership costing them gazillions

2) Man U have the highest wage bill and in a post-Champions League era need to get the wage bill down

3) Man U not confident of signing targets with OGS as Manager and no Champions League football to offer

I stressed Dack is on their radar, I didn't say expect an offer tomorrow.

In terms of quality of my source, the Man U one is much closer to the action than the Everton one.

There's more chance of me staring the season in goal for Rovers than of Manchester United making a bid for Dack. Pure fantasy.   

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57 minutes ago, joey_big_nose said:

I'd pay 3.5m tops for Gallagher. 5m is way too much in my estimation.

If we say got Gallagher, gk, a lb, a rb and a cb that would be decent business. How we do that on our budget I'm not sure.

Linked to this I don't really think we should prioritise buying a central midfielder, but that seems to be near the top of TMs shopping list. I'd be happy loaning someone in again as we have Travis and Davenport coming through, plus Evans and Smallwood hanging about. Obviously I would like an upgrade but limited funds need to be spent up front, at gk and in defence for me.

To be fair, I think that £5mil for Gallagher is fair.  The issue all along has been his wage/wage demands.  Not sure how we can suddenly afford those.

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Gallagher needs to understand that his career is at risk of falling by the wayside if he stays where he is. He isn't going to play for Southampton in the Premier League any time soon and so sooner or later will have to accept that the Championship is where he will need to go. He's going to be very lucky to get a salary close to his current one and will have to drop his demands. 

Harrison Reed is in a similar position albeit probably has more chance of making the grade at Southampton and if not will have more interest in him.

I'd be very happy if we went to Southampton with £8 million for the pair of them. I think in 12-24 months both could be worth more than that each and in the meantime would fit seamlessly into the squad. Bring Hanley back from Norwich and we'd have strengthened the side well. 

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3 hours ago, Oldgregg86 said:

Completely hypothetical but would anyone do a straight swap with Southampton with dack going one way and Reed and Gallagher coming to ewood ?

(There's no real transfer stories to discuss so why not )

I would say in today's market Dack could be worth 20m off the back of some good form. Not at the moment because he's had some poor games, but I can see him hitting the heights again.  

With the best will in the world Reed and Gallagher are more like 10m combined. So no....

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Bauer scoring last gasp Winner for Charlton in play off final!

Edited by neophox

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I guess Bauer to Rovers extremely unlikely after that.

Quietly effective today after his no show against Doncaster.

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Just now, joey_big_nose said:

I would say in today's market Dack could be worth 20m off the back of some good form. Not at the moment because he's had some poor games, but I can see him hitting the heights again.  

With the best will in the world Reed and Gallagher are more like 10m combined. So no....

Dack has all the attributes to make it to the top but it depends how much he wants it.  He needs to really appraise his own lifestyle.

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Just now, philipl said:

I guess Bauer to Rovers extremely unlikely after that.

Quietly effective today after his no show against Doncaster.

He was better today definitely. He’s still a free agent, he might see us or another championship club as a step up. I’d like too think we could do better but who knows what Mowbray has been told in India regarding this season’s budget. They may well have turned the tap off after the Brereton signing. 

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11 minutes ago, Butty said:

He was better today definitely. He’s still a free agent, he might see us or another championship club as a step up. I’d like too think we could do better but who knows what Mowbray has been told in India regarding this season’s budget. They may well have turned the tap off after the Brereton signing. 

He looked like another Downing to me.

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Really not bothered either way about Bauer we should've taken that punt on him ages ago even though he was on his way out of contract they'd have got him for very reasonable wages probably and maybe 800k+ ,  Even if it was a million it's easy to get back it's peanuts these days and he would have represented a reasonable punt/gamble.

As it is he'd cost silly money now and he's proved nothing in the Championship there must be some decent centre defenders out there gettable for a club like us others seem to manage ok.

Lets see this non foreign recruitment dept that's allegedly been being worked on since TM arrived actually deliver something this summer.

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50 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

He looked like another Downing to me.

Like I said I’d like too think we could do better, but it’s hard too say without knowing whether the Chicken farmers are making TM shop in Waitrose or Aldi this summer.

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1 hour ago, Butty said:

Like I said I’d like too think we could do better, but it’s hard too say without knowing whether the Chicken farmers are making TM shop in Waitrose or Aldi this summer.

Or Poundland most likely

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2 hours ago, Butty said:

Like I said I’d like too think we could do better, but it’s hard too say without knowing whether the Chicken farmers are making TM shop in Waitrose or Aldi this summer.

That's always the problem. I think it usually depends on what side of the bed they got up on. 

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4 hours ago, tomphil said:

Really not bothered either way about Bauer we should've taken that punt on him ages ago even though he was on his way out of contract they'd have got him for very reasonable wages probably and maybe 800k+ ,  Even if it was a million it's easy to get back it's peanuts these days and he would have represented a reasonable punt/gamble.

It was 2 million. So we rightly told them to swivel, not knowing he'd ask for pie in the sky wages come summer.

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Just now, bluebruce said:

It was 2 million. So we rightly told them to swivel, not knowing he'd ask for pie in the sky wages come summer.

Not strictly true we were quoted a million but baulked because his contract was nearly up so offered 500k and then it went up to 2 mill when he indicated he might stay with them. Pretty sure some middle ground could've been found and he's on about 7k pwk at Charlton on the new deal he signed so a good wage offer may have got him deciding to come.

They played hardball and we offered peanuts, chance missed he's not worth it now imo so hope we move on. If this goes on months then we don't sign another good CB and use this as an excuse again i'll be asking serious questions.

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I'd think most of our seniors are on double that and more.

Edited by tomphil

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6 hours ago, JHRover said:

Gallagher needs to understand that his career is at risk of falling by the wayside if he stays where he is. He isn't going to play for Southampton in the Premier League any time soon and so sooner or later will have to accept that the Championship is where he will need to go. He's going to be very lucky to get a salary close to his current one and will have to drop his demands. 

Harrison Reed is in a similar position albeit probably has more chance of making the grade at Southampton and if not will have more interest in him.

I'd be very happy if we went to Southampton with £8 million for the pair of them. I think in 12-24 months both could be worth more than that each and in the meantime would fit seamlessly into the squad. Bring Hanley back from Norwich and we'd have strengthened the side well. 

Yep,pretty well agree with that assumption.

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Unless all this is a complex 3D chess media game to hide our financial ambitions from our opponents...TM's recent comments have been depressing as hell. Pretty much admitting Venkys arent going to help with anything, only cheap miracle buys will save next season. 

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10 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Gallagher is bang average at best. Reed would be useful if Mowbray would actually play him in the middle rather than wasting his talents out wide but hypothetically sacrificing Dack to bring them in would be a seriously backwards move imo.

That said even if we signed no-one for the next season or two we'd probably fall foul of FFP purely on the basis of our operating losses so blowing £7m on BB and not playing him, handing out new contracts like sweeties to players who should have been discarded and talk of slow burns and long term plans seems all the more baffling and negligent.

and to think many on here espouse the virtues of Mowbray and Waggott.  I think dumb and dumber would be a more apt description.

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18 hours ago, J*B said:

I believe the following is correct... The losses to fail FFP are 36m. Last year we lost 17m. Simply put, we can lose 19m over the next two seasons?

I think it is £39m. I might be wrong but I don’t think the season in league 1 counts towards the loss for the 3 years. So it will be what ever the loss is for this season and the next 2. To be honest I’m not sure our ambition should be to lose another 40m, and to be fair still not have spent enough to get promoted. I believe we are already on track for a 39m loss over 3 seasons, so I guess we will see. 

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13 minutes ago, AshleyClifford said:

I think it is £39m. I might be wrong but I don’t think the season in league 1 counts towards the loss for the 3 years. So it will be what ever the loss is for this season and the next 2. To be honest I’m not sure our ambition should be to lose another 40m, and to be fair still not have spent enough to get promoted. I believe we are already on track for a 39m loss over 3 seasons, so I guess we will see. 

Yes the frightening thing- the status quo without transfer "investment" lands us in FFP bother.

This is why Waggott is so focused on gate and commercial income.

In football terms, these are small numbers.

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