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On 05/06/2019 at 19:52, bluebruce said:

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Joe Rothwell looking sharp in training on Instagram. Big player for us next season. 

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12 hours ago, Fraserkirky said:

I'd prefer Charlie Adam over Downing or Whelen.

Would you? He has only played around 60 games in the last 4 seasons. If he was fit and hungry I would take him over Whelan, but you would have to admit Whelan appears to be the fitter and hungrier players at this point, even if he is a bit older. 

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14 hours ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Nothing lasts forever matey, especially in football, Whittingham proved that. I wouldn't say that being an improvement on Conway and Smallwood is much of a recommendation at this moment in time. I would have been pretty pleased even a year ago but not now.

Nothing lasts forever no and of course there is that risk with older players, but plenty of 33 and 35 year olds still do well at this level and higher. The two lads did pretty well last season, so going off that would eleviate my concerns somewhat. 

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Can only see one of Whelan and Downing coming in. Could it be that Mulgrew could be about to leave and Mowbray wants a steady older player in squad. Think Whelan is the better of these two.

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Just now, neophox said:

Joe Mason, striker is available on a free...

Gone to MK Dons

 

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Just now, ChrisPriceBaldSpot said:

John Stones anyone? 

No thanks , we have enough  non tackling centre halves...

 

Edited by Waggy76

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Free transfers available for the defence.

 

Chris Samba centre back 35

Gregory Van Der Wiel Right back 31

 

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Just now, neophox said:

Free transfers available for the defence.

 

Chris Samba centre back 35

Gregory Van Der Wiel Right back 31

 

God no. It would be horrible to see him here now in his current state. He was a colossus. Lets remember him like that. 

Van der Wiel not a bad shout at all. I wonder was he on much at Toronto 

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Just now, neophox said:

Free transfers available for the defence.

 

Chris Samba centre back 35

Gregory Van Der Wiel Right back 31

 

Forget Samba he's another busted flush and ruined his legacy here by being a greedy barsteward who's move from Rovers summed him up and what was going on here at the time..money money money.

Could've had a top move and been a top player that lad.

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Just now, tomphil said:

Forget Samba he's another busted flush and ruined his legacy here by being a greedy barsteward who's move from Rovers summed him up and what was going on here at the time..money money money.

Could've had a top move and been a top player that lad.

I don't blame him for leaving. Kean was manager.  He picked a move for money alright though and it ended any hopes for a really impressive career. As you say, he could have been a top, top player. One of my favourites. 

How many players have had the same experience after moving to Russia for money? 

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Just now, tomphil said:

Forget Samba he's another busted flush and ruined his legacy here by being a greedy barsteward who's move from Rovers summed him up and what was going on here at the time..money money money.

Could've had a top move and been a top player that lad.

I agree completely. He got several new contracts around transfer window time when he sulked about not getting a move. As good as he was for us he sullied his reputation through sheer greed and blackmail.

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6 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Van der Wiel not a bad shout at all. I wonder was he on much at Toronto 

VdW was pretty mediocre when he played (not terrible... but struggled to fit into the coach's system), and then was cut loose to start the year after a bust up with the coaching staff. Definite attitude issues... Seems more interested in his business ventures than football nowadays.

Was making the equivalent of £12,350/wk last year (MLS actually publishes all salary info!).

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Just now, RoverCanada said:

VdW was pretty mediocre when he played (not terrible... but struggled to fit into the coach's system), and then was cut loose to start the year after a bust up with the coaching staff. Definite attitude issues... Seems more interested in his business ventures than football nowadays.

Was making the equivalent of £12,350/wk last year (MLS actually publishes all salary info!).

Ya, I thought there must be some reason why a lad with almost 50 caps for the Netherlands is playing for Toronto at age 31 

Would he have been a top earner on that much? 

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Just now, Bigdoggsteel said:

I don't blame him for leaving. Kean was manager.  He picked a move for money alright though and it ended any hopes for a really impressive career. As you say, he could have been a top, top player. One of my favourites. 

How many players have had the same experience after moving to Russia for money? 

Sadly I don't even think that one can be pinned on that scumbag they probably had their eyes on nice commission from the 65k pwk they were allegedly offering. Plus there probably was a 20 mill pound player there if the right club had come in.

Something very odd about that transfer but once the wages were put in front of Samba he was off.  What a waste, he probably gambled it all away anyway.

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Just now, tomphil said:

Sadly I don't even think that one can be pinned on that scumbag they probably had their eyes on nice commission from the 65k pwk they were allegedly offering. Plus there probably was a 20 mill pound player there if the right club had come in.

Something very odd about that transfer but once the wages were put in front of Samba he was off.  What a waste, he probably gambled it all away anyway.

Ya, it was crazy. Didn't it happen a week after the European deadline closed? 

He probably would have left looking for more money regardless alright. Terrible, terrible choice on his behalf. I bet he had English and European clubs interested at the time. 

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31 minutes ago, neophox said:

Free transfers available for the defence.

 

 

Gregory Van Der Wiel Right back 31

 

Thats an interesting shout, might be on a heavy wage for us even if its slightly modest for him.

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Just now, Bigdoggsteel said:

Ya, I thought there must be some reason why a lad with almost 50 caps for the Netherlands is playing for Toronto at age 31 

Would he have been a top earner on that much? 

He wasn't a 'designated player', who can earn up to $6 million+/~£90,000/wk (e.g. Michael Bradley on TFC. Rooney's on $2.8 million, or about £41,000/wk, at DC), but I think his $800k salary he would have required using 'target allocation money', so he was one of the higher earners for sure (about 6th on the team going by the 2018 numbers).

MLS teams tend to have a few players making $2 million+, several in the $200-500k range, and then a bunch of younger/depth players stuck at $60/70k.

(MLS finances may be more transparent in some respects, but all the salary allowances/restrictions/exceptions are a bit of a labyrinth!)

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1 hour ago, RoverCanada said:

VdW was pretty mediocre when he played (not terrible... but struggled to fit into the coach's system), and then was cut loose to start the year after a bust up with the coaching staff. Definite attitude issues... Seems more interested in his business ventures than football nowadays.

Was making the equivalent of £12,350/wk last year (MLS actually publishes all salary info!).

Been blighted by injuries for most of his career since leaving Ajax too. Last season in the MLS was his most active for quite a few years. Injury and stiff competition at PSG meant he was mostly used as a sub for four years and then injuries pretty much ruined his time at Cagliari and Fenerbache.

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My god that list is terrifying mostly and when we look at the losses in recent years you can just see why they keep adding up, ridiculous.

Just reinforces the point of Why gamble on those odds when the wages can be used on something more likely to get useful. It's not building a promotion team it's just plugging gaps again to tread water.

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