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2 hours ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

With all this talk of us signing Gallagher can I just ask those postera who don't think he is a good signing, to just say that once please. Some posters will literally tell you they don't like the manager or players every hour, on the hour. Ye know who ye are! 

Did you say that whilst sniggering, sat with S8? Bet you did.

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34 minutes ago, Stuart said:

Not addressed the issue though, dude.

You were seemingly trying to make a point that Mowbray was (statistically at least) far superior to Lambert. That’s just not true.

On a side note, it’s been a funny old day today. Everyone seems really on edge. Maybe it’s the crushing sense of impending monotony. At best.

I think we desperately need a positive Championship-standard signing.

Alright drama queen, calm down.

There's a lot of clubs yet to do business. We are hardly desperate.

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Just now, Dreams of 1995 said:

Alright drama queen, calm down.

There's a lot of clubs yet to do business. We are hardly desperate.

:lol: 

As long as you are happy, bud.

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I wouldn't mind Sam Gallagher coming in, as long as it was to play through the middle. I know the going rate for players has risen quite sharply in recent times, but £5 million does sound steep. £3 million would be fair for a player of his calibre and experience. 

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I think I would rather have Marquis from Doncaster than Gallagher back.  Too much like Brerton for me in that hes big but doesn't use his size to his advantage.

 

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Just now, pjt said:

I think I would rather have Marquis from Doncaster than Gallagher back.  Too much like Brerton for me in that hes big but doesn't use his size to his advantage.

 

I agree and if you rolled them both together you wouldn't have a Danny Graham.

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1 hour ago, Stuart said:

Not addressed the issue though, dude.

You were seemingly trying to make a point that Mowbray was (statistically at least) far superior to Lambert. That’s just not true.

On a side note, it’s been a funny old day today. Everyone seems really on edge. Maybe it’s the crushing sense of impending monotony. At best.

I think we desperately need a positive Championship-standard signing.

For absolute clarity, my original post was in response to the comment in the screen grab...

I haven't compared Mowbray to Lambert (or anyone else specifically)... just a statistical response to the comment referencing "high success rate" - then I realised the graphic was out of date...so I updated it...& for good measure I acknowledged the different divisions involved...

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Just now, Herbie6590 said:

For absolute clarity, my original post was in response to the comment in the screen grab...

I haven't compared Mowbray to Lambert (or anyone else specifically)... just a statistical response to the comment referencing "high success rate" - then I realised the graphic was out of date...so I updated it...& for good measure I acknowledged the different divisions involved...

Screenshot 2019-06-23 at 22.30.01pm.png

The green highlighting isn't mine... ! It's in the original screen grab ;)

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5 hours ago, Herbie6590 said:

Different divisions involved obviously but....🤷‍♂️

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As you say----different divisions! Many of those managers are worse than TM anyway!

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Just now, 47er said:

As you say----different divisions! Many of those managers are worse than TM anyway!

Yeah and all of those worse than Mowbray with the exception of Ince are in the Venkies era.

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4 hours ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Fans want us to get the Eddie Howes before he becomes famous. For every Eddie Howe there are 50 "young managers" who do jack shit. They are retrospective football experts.

It's the same with signings, "oh we should sign a top quality striker and CB for 3 million each". Who should we sign? "oh I don't know, it's not my job to know." 

 

and there are also 50+ older / experienced managers who have done or do jack shit.

Think Mowbray at best is a 'has been', if he ever was anything!

It's a pathetic and defeatist argument to say there is no one better out there.

Loads of managers would snatch your arm off in the Championship if they were given £6million to find a 'quality' centre back and striker.

Sadly, for Rovers, I think Mowbray spunked £10million away in last summer's window.  The failure of the Brereton signing alone, IMO, merits his sacking. 

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Although not my first choice at this moment in time Gallagher is better than Brereton and unless BB comes on leaps and bounds getting started in real position it'll probably stay that way for a while so having him in would surely add some strength to the squad plus it might keep Samuel out, he offers a lot more than him as well.

Get him on loan with a view to buy then it covers all bases.

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8 hours ago, Stuart said:

Bennett is Mr Versatile. Rodwell has been offered a new deal. Evans is one of the preferred CM players. Smallwood is a valuable squad player who won’t complain about being on the bench.

This is Mowbray’s view on life, and is why he can be so frustrating.

The regular excuse of “we don’t have a squad to challenge for promotion” is pretty self-fulfilling if the manager can’t or won’t upgrade them and just brings in new players to “help them”.

Mentally, TM is still in Div 1. I do not believe we will ever be promoted further while he is manager. Hasn't got it.

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7 hours ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

God I would love if wr do very well this season. The word eating here would be good. 

I see the papers are linking Rakeem Harper with Liverpool and juventus. Remember him? Another singing that people said was useless before they even watched him. 

We would ALL love to do well this season but not because it gives gloating rights. What if we do badly and everyone queues up to remind you of this post?

This is NOT what the MB is for.

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4 hours ago, Butty said:

If we sign Gallagher too play up top then yes he’d be a good signing. If we sign Gallagher too play on the wing in the Armstrong role of not tracking back and just not even being a winger in the first place then it’s a no. Don’t know why anyone is talking about changing manager though, he’s not done much wrong and if he hasn’t got a pot too piss in this summer it won’t make a difference who’s in charge we won’t be making the play offs even if Pep was our manager. 

We had a pot to piss in last summer and he pissed it away on Brereton.

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36 minutes ago, Herbie6590 said:

For absolute clarity, my original post was in response to the comment in the screen grab...

I haven't compared Mowbray to Lambert (or anyone else specifically)... just a statistical response to the comment referencing "high success rate" - then I realised the graphic was out of date...so I updated it...& for good measure I acknowledged the different divisions involved...

Screenshot 2019-06-23 at 22.30.01pm.png

Al that shows is that, under Venkys, we've suffered a series of rubbish managers. 

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17 minutes ago, Mercer said:

and there are also 50+ older / experienced managers who have done or do jack shit.

Think Mowbray at best is a 'has been', if he ever was anything!

It's a pathetic and defeatist argument to say there is no one better out there.

Loads of managers would snatch your arm off in the Championship if they were given £6million to find a 'quality' centre back and striker.

Sadly, for Rovers, I think Mowbray spunked £10million away in last summer's window.  The failure of the Brereton signing alone, IMO, merits his sacking. 

Doesn't matter what you think though does it?  We can't get him sacked if we wanted to. And I'm not sure the majority of fans, however much they moan about him, want him sacked anyway

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37 minutes ago, 47er said:

We had a pot to piss in last summer and he pissed it away on Brereton.

Well we are just fooked then. Another season of mid table mediocrity pending. That’s as most as we could hope for with our current squad. 

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10 hours ago, Ewood Ace said:

Swansea away, Brentford away, Sheffield United home and away and the list goes on. Bennett is an a atrocious full back (and not much better elsewhere) but Mowbray likes him, so he continuously get's shoehorned into the side despite not being good enough. Nyambe on the other hand made an error against Birmingham, was publicly criticised by the manager and dropped to the bench and sometimes from the squad entirely until injuries meant he got a recall to the staring 11. 

You’ve missed Norwich away when I was convinced they stopped running at him cause they felt bad.

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Make no mistake about it, our most important players for next season are already at the club. We have a very limited budget by the sounds of things, I can smell what’s cooking here. You don’t make Stewart Downing at 35 your first signing when your desperately trying to shift season tickets.

For the record, we have decent squad with a lot of potential, with even more potential coming through with Butterworth, Buckley and Magloire.

I’m fine with being skint next year(use to it) but don’t lie to us, and don’t spend 7m on Brereton when we have no money.

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Just now, Fraserkirky said:

Make no mistake about it, our most important players for next season are already at the club. We have a very limited budget by the sounds of things, I can smell what’s cooking here. You don’t make Stewart Downing at 35 your first signing when your desperately trying to shift season tickets.

For the record, we have decent squad with a lot of potential, with even more potential coming through with Butterworth, Buckley and Magloire.

I’m fine with being skint next year(use to it) but don’t lie to us, and don’t spend 7m on Brereton when we have no money.

I'm not convinced by the Downing signing, and I certainly haven't been by the Brereton signing either.

But I must say, this logic that a few people have put out, of it mattering what our 'first' signing is...I find it strange. Sure, if you got to pick which order things will land, you wouldn't ideally make the 35-year old winger your opening gambit, due to temporarily affecting fan morale. I do get that. But why should we gear our transfer policy around selling season tickets? If you don't want to make Downing your first signing, but you do intend to sign Downing, what do you do? Tell Stewart "Sorry mate, we're going to sign you but we can't have you be the first one, it'll be a bit embarrassing and stop us selling season tickets"? He sure as hell won't sign then (possibly a good thing in this case, but management obviously don't think so).

Or do you suddenly throw more money at one of your other targets to get him over the line first? That could easily cost more than the small increase in season tickets will recoup.

You have to sign players in the order you finalise the deals. It's the only practical thing to do. On top of which...let's just assume (I'll exaggerate to make the point clearer) that our business this summer was to be Downing, Assombalonga, Stones and Cristiano Ronaldo. If you sign them in that order, or you start with the big names, is it going to really make any difference to how many we sell? I doubt it would do much more than dictate the times at which the tickets were sold. Nobody is going to reach the end of the window, contemplating whether to buy a season ticket, then when the big names rocked up in the last week go "Actually nah I'm good, they signed Downing at the start of the window and now my soul is dead to football". The season ticket sales which are dependent on names signing will make the same decision regardless of when the names are signed (not accounting for chaos theory of course).

Some clarification since people on here like to take things out of context to fabricate an argument: I know our big names won't be as grandiose as that, and possibly won't come at all. I know we need defenders and I only listed one. It was just for illustrative purposes. I also know how it looks when we badly need defenders and the first name in is another aged winger. I'm not inspired either. But the point is, as long as the right players get in during the window, that's all that really matters. The only reason to hold off on one deal for longer is if the resources for it might affect another target, and frankly we'll never know the ins and outs of that dance (unless a Brereton-level fee is used up early, which would obviously impact other signings).

And another clarification - yes I know getting players in earlier means they get more time to bed in, but I doubt that tends to be worth the extra money. I'm also not expressly talking about you, Fraser, just this particular notion I've seen a few times. Agree with you on your other points, including that maybe it will transpire our budget is limited.

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14 hours ago, K-Hod said:

I’m sure it does. People have different opinion, such is life.

Deffo and I am entitled to mine too! 

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14 hours ago, Butty said:

If we sign Gallagher too play up top then yes he’d be a good signing. If we sign Gallagher too play on the wing in the Armstrong role of not tracking back and just not even being a winger in the first place then it’s a no. Don’t know why anyone is talking about changing manager though, he’s not done much wrong and if he hasn’t got a pot too piss in this summer it won’t make a difference who’s in charge we won’t be making the play offs even if Pep was our manager. 

All true. 

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