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Just now, tomphil said:

The longer it goes on the more attractive a signing it becomes, never a fan but to be fair his cock ups and wobbles have come at top level. If he's shot he's shot but we know how  Uncle Mowbray loves these types I half think he's setting up his own football rehab academy here sometimes,  However Hart wouldn't be facing what he was in the Prem at this level so if he has any confidence left surely he can cope.

Having said that if they tie up tens of thousands of pounds per week in him I think i'd sack the lot of them !!!!

He's not going to be on peanuts so if he is coming here it is going to cost us. I think most keepers we've been linked with will be on massive wages tbf. 

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I have no idea why my previous post looks like it does but it's happening a lot and I cannot go back into it to edit the space out. ☹️

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Brentford is a bit of enigma. They seem to have a great scouting network and are able to unearth great talent and sell for a profit. However looking a bit closer at their stats that doesn't translate into results in the league. They have basicly treaded water finishing between 8-11 for the last 4 seasons. Have a very high turnover of players, and there are several duds for each player they sell for profit. 

Sheffield United on the other hand have had a pretty poor transfer record the last two seasons, buying players who failed to establish themselves and dissapear after one season. They basicly went up with the same core of players that took them from League One to Championship in 2017. 

 

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Just now, Miller11 said:

Let’s use Konsa as an example. 

Bought 12 months ago from League one for 2.5 million, played a season with them and sold to a Prem team for 12 million. They have already made signings in that position and could well make more.

No fan of any club wants to see their best players sold, but when a team from a higher division comes in and gives you a big profit, you accept it as inevitable.

If we were to sell Dack, Lenihan it Travis, I’d have very little faith in us bringing in anyone remotely near the same level... fucking hell, I’d be pretty amazed if we replaced them with players who even play in the same position.

Getting raided for your better players by top flight teams shows you are doing something right... it’s the nature of transfers. We are lightyears behind Brentford in terms of identifying players and recruiting them. Barring Dack, and to a much lesser degree Armstrong and Rothwell, the only players we have of any real value are academy products.

Ah so when other teams do it it's a fantastic model let's take Dack for example we bought him for 750k if we were to sell him now how much do you think he would go for how is selling your best players used as a pro for some yet a negative for others at least be consistent in the criticism. 

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Just now, tomphil said:

The longer it goes on the more attractive a signing it becomes, never a fan but to be fair his cock ups and wobbles have come at top level. If he's shot he's shot but we know how  Uncle Mowbray loves these types I half think he's setting up his own football rehab academy here sometimes.

You know, I think you've uncovered the secret behind Tony Mowbrays transfer policy.

Chat promises for 3 months, blame the market, chat more excuses, sell your only quality player at that postion... wait a full week until button AZ-5 has been pressed... then bring in the players who the fans were dreading all along, yet nicely polished now as some heroic big signing... it's the classic "keep drinking until the 2 becomes a 10" mentality.

Reminds me of John Williams, circa 2008... "I think Big Sam is our man to replace Mark Hughes, but the fans don't want him... I know, I'll hire Paul Ince for 12 games, sack him (he's crap bar a solid eyebrow dance), and then Allardyce will seem like the hero!"

Joe Hart (If that is what happens), imagine telling us that 4 years ago. When he was # for Man City and England.

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Just now, AllRoverAsia said:

It's having that effect on me. The Makeemwaiteaball system of recruitment where you're grateful for whatever walks through the door.

Ha ha spot on, some clubs have an ambitious manager and recruitment dept whereas we have a mix of investment fund and retirement home spaces to fill.

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Just now, Beanie01289 said:

Ah so when other teams do it it's a fantastic model let's take Dack for example we bought him for 750k if we were to sell him now how much do you think he would go for how is selling your best players used as a pro for some yet a negative for others at least be consistent in the criticism. 

It’s not that it’s a fantastic model, it’s just the nature of things.

I think everybody accepts that Dack has a price? If a bid of £15 million came in from a prem club I’m sure we’d all be a bit gutted, but see it as him moving on like players do. 

If we then failed to reinvest that money, or wasted half of it on another Brereton, people wouldn’t be happy, but that’s a different matter. 

Look at some of the players we’ve lost in recent times - the argument isn’t that we sold them...

Cairney - went too cheap

Hanley and Duffy - weren’t replaced

King/Mahoney - weren’t tied up so we lost out

Raya - sold too soon

For a time we had a squad with virtually zero re-sale value. Now we have some players who would actually command a fee, and eventually they will go.

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Miller11 said:

Let’s use Konsa as an example. 

Bought 12 months ago from League one for 2.5 million, played a season with them and sold to a Prem team for 12 million. They have already made signings in that position and could well make more.

No fan of any club wants to see their best players sold, but when a team from a higher division comes in and gives you a big profit, you accept it as inevitable.

If we were to sell Dack, Lenihan it Travis, I’d have very little faith in us bringing in anyone remotely near the same level... fucking hell, I’d be pretty amazed if we replaced them with players who even play in the same position.

Getting raided for your better players by top flight teams shows you are doing something right... it’s the nature of transfers. We are lightyears behind Brentford in terms of identifying players and recruiting them. Barring Dack, and to a much lesser degree Armstrong and Rothwell, the only players we have of any real value are academy products.

Spot on. Notice when we sold our best players they went to rival clubs, seemingly shoved out the back door (Cairney) or hawked around to try and attract bidders.

Nobody at this level can resist selling players to the Premier League. Different story with what we did. 

Brentford have come on leaps and bounds as a club, have a new stadium nearly ready and are in good shape. Put their money to good use.

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Just now, JHRover said:

Spot on. Notice when we sold our best players they went to rival clubs, seemingly shoved out the back door (Cairney) or hawked around to try and attract bidders.

Nobody at this level can resist selling players to the Premier League. Different story with what we did. 

Brentford have come on leaps and bounds as a club, have a new stadium nearly ready and are in good shape. Put their money to good use.

Yet they bought a keeper who if we are not changing the narrative was widely derided on this message board

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Just now, Miller11 said:

It’s not that it’s a fantastic model, it’s just the nature of things.

I think everybody accepts that Dack has a price? If a bid of £15 million came in from a prem club I’m sure we’d all be a bit gutted, but see it as him moving on like players do. 

If we then failed to reinvest that money, or wasted half of it on another Brereton, people wouldn’t be happy, but that’s a different matter. 

Look at some of the players we’ve lost in recent times - the argument isn’t that we sold them...

Cairney - went too cheap

Hanley and Duffy - weren’t replaced

King/Mahoney - weren’t tied up so we lost out

Raya - sold too soon

For a time we had a squad with virtually zero re-sale value. Now we have some players who would actually command a fee, and eventually they will go.

 

 

King and mahoney were not tied up but also not great for us the raya sale whilst I agree I'd have kept him he was widely blasted on this very site

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The thing with Hart is not his stature or his ability imo, it's his confidence.

There is a genuine England International and Premier League winning goalkeeper in there somewhere, but it hasn't shone out for a couple of seasons now.

Coming down to the Championship (prime age, no less) could see him regain his confidence and form.

BUT I feel that a Ruddy or a Carson is likely to be more confident for us, and likely to improve the defence as a whole. If Hart is confident enough to bollock the defence, then maybe he can quickly regain confidence in himself too.

I'm not against his signing by any means, I think it'd be a real coup, but it is a gamble on relatively high wages compared to the less good but more solid and cheaper Ruddy/Carson.

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Just now, Mike E said:

The thing with Hart is not his stature or his ability imo, it's his confidence.

There is a genuine England International and Premier League winning goalkeeper in there somewhere, but it hasn't shone out for a couple of seasons now.

Coming down to the Championship (prime age, no less) could see him regain his confidence and form.

BUT I feel that a Ruddy or a Carson is likely to be more confident for us, and likely to improve the defence as a whole. If Hart is confident enough to bollock the defence, then maybe he can quickly regain confidence in himself too.

I'm not against his signing by any means, I think it'd be a real coup, but it is a gamble on relatively high wages compared to the less good but more solid and cheaper Ruddy/Carson.

If Duche can’t get him going not a chance Tony’s lad camp will

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2 minutes ago, Mike E said:

The thing with Hart is not his stature or his ability imo, it's his confidence.

There is a genuine England International and Premier League winning goalkeeper in there somewhere, but it hasn't shone out for a couple of seasons now.

Coming down to the Championship (prime age, no less) could see him regain his confidence and form.

BUT I feel that a Ruddy or a Carson is likely to be more confident for us, and likely to improve the defence as a whole. If Hart is confident enough to bollock the defence, then maybe he can quickly regain confidence in himself too.

I'm not against his signing by any means, I think it'd be a real coup, but it is a gamble on relatively high wages compared to the less good but more solid and cheaper Ruddy/Carson.

Joe Hart these days reminds me of Robert Green although, writing from memory, Green never 'kept' for a Premier League-winning side.

I can't think of any reason why Rovers should pay anything for, and to, someone who seems increasingly like yesterday's man. We're surely not going for a 'marquee' signing just because he once, several years ago, used to be a good 'un. Are we?

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1 hour ago, Beanie01289 said:

People on here bigging up Brentford imagine we made a slew of signings after selling Lenihan and Dack would we be bigging up us a promotion favs or bemoaning the sales. 

Crazy isn't it. People criticise the prispect of us signing Gallagher and slate Raya, saying he needs to be replaced...they sign for another club and that club somehow become a super squad.

 

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Just now, Bbrovers2288 said:

Preston join the Gallagher race now too with Robinson moving

Can't wait too see how this gets spun as a fantastic move by Preston while also blasting Mowbray for going after Gallagher 

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6 minutes ago, m1st said:

Joe Hart these days reminds me of Robert Green although, writing from memory, Green never 'kept' for a Premier League-winning side.

I can't think of any reason why Rovers should pay anything for, and to, someone who seems increasingly like yesterday's man. We're surely not going for a 'marquee' signing just because he once, several years ago, used to be a good 'un. Are we?

Did he not get a winners medal at Chelsea

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Just now, Beanie01289 said:

Can't wait too see how this gets spun as a fantastic move by Preston while also blasting Mowbray for going after Gallagher 

I see what you're saying but Preston are not desperate for a CB and GK. What might be a fantastic move for one team might not be for another.

If we signed Gally as the final day "BB" money player after the GK and CB, I'm sure people will be a lot happier than currently... and ironically more annoyed if we wait that long and then miss out to a PNE... 

So perhaps TM can't win on this one UNLESS Gallagher is finally accompanied by the GK and CB. But that's not the fault of Sam Gallagher.

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Just now, Beanie01289 said:

Did he not get a winners medal at Chelsea

He didn't go there until last close season...not even David May could claim a medal for that!

Edited by Leonard Venkhater

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Danny simpson available on a free could do a job here at right back and put nyambe at centre half.

Id also have mark bunn back whos also played here before.

Edited by AAK

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1 hour ago, Beanie01289 said:

Yet they bought a keeper who if we are not changing the narrative was widely derided on this message board

He divided opinion. Some praised him, some criticised his errors. 

Imagine that? People having different opinions. I’m so shaken by this groundbreaking news, I think I need a lie down...

Edited by K-Hod

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Brentford just sold another player making profit again, thats now £46 million incoming fees in 12 months and they still have an excellent exciting team.

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