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10 minutes ago, Neal said:

I hope Waggot laughed and ended their interest then and there.

I believe Waggott has had one eye on that deal for a very long time.

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Just now, islander200 said:

Unless Dack signs a new deal he will only have a year left on his contract at the end of next season.We won't be getting huge money for him then

Unless he signs an extension, which is entirely realistic 

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Jake cooper would be excellent, although I feel like there may be other clubs ahead of us in the que (if we are even in the que). Would probabaly cost around 5 million, which is a lot but would rather us spend a chunk on one player who we know is going to do the buisnness than a mixture of players and hope one of them is up to it. 

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High wages but has lived and played in the north west.

Gary Cahill anyone

I realise how highly unlikely this is but he did say older PL players on higher wages.

Supposedly off to fulham so would come to a championship club. 

Would be a massive sign of ambition and would help attract other players . Exactly what we need. How doable it is would be anyone's guess

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Interesting to hear Mowbray acknowledged Cooper as a possibility.

Not only does he fit the bill for being the tall commanding centre back we need, he's been involved in 12 goals (6 goals, 6 assists) in this seasons Championship. None of them free kicks or penalties, just seems to be a monster in the box.

We concede more goals with Mulgrew in the side, however the one down side to leaving him out of the side is goals scored.

Cooper would go a long way towards resolving both of those aspects in one signing, on paper it seems like he'd certainly be worth the money, if doable.

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Just now, Oldgregg86 said:

High wages but has lived and played in the north west.

Gary Cahill anyone

I realise how highly unlikely this is but he did say older PL players on higher wages.

Supposedly off to fulham so would come to a championship club. 

Would be a massive sign of ambition and would help attract other players . Exactly what we need. How doable it is would be anyone's guess

Fulham have 2 years parachute money to pay him and he probably lives in west London 

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3 minutes ago, Don Said said:

Interesting to hear Mowbray acknowledged Cooper as a possibility.

Not only does he fit the bill for being the tall commanding centre back we need, he's been involved in 12 goals (6 goals, 6 assists) in this seasons Championship. None of them free kicks or penalties, just seems to be a monster in the box.

We concede more goals with Mulgrew in the side, however the one down side to leaving him out of the side is goals scored.

Cooper would go a long way towards resolving both of those aspects in one signing, on paper it seems like he'd certainly be worth the money, if doable.

I had a look at the stats earlier and from recollection we gained very few points from the games Mulgrew scored in, so I don't think losing his goals would make much difference. I'd much rather be stronger at the back and have the midfielders chip in with more goals.

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2 hours ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Not really shit or bust though. He referenced Norwich selling Maddison and coming out of it stronger when referring to a potential Dack sale if things don't work out. 

If we get near promotion, it will surely be on the back of Dack having a good season. We would be looking at big money then. 

Yeah i'd go along with that it's the right way to do it as long as they keep re-investing what they can. Burnley sold a few strikers along the way and similar to the later Trust years there's nothing wrong with selling for a huge fee every now and then as long as the team is doing ok and others are coming through.

The way that post was put though was saying they'll go for it then if it doesn't work they'll start selling again immediately to recoup their outlay and there's a difference.

Continued steady investment for me and after another couple of seasons of that as well as pruning deadwood we'll be in a strong position - as long as TMs judgement of deadwood is the same as ours obviously !

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Just now, tomphil said:

Yeah i'd go along with that it's the right way to do it as long as they keep re-investing what they can. Burnley sold a few strikers along the way and similar to the later Trust years there's nothing wrong with selling for a huge fee every now and then as long as the team is doing ok and others are coming through.

The way that post was put though was saying they'll go for it then if it doesn't work they'll start selling again immediately to recoup their outlay and there's a difference.

Continued steady investment for me and after another couple of seasons of that as well as pruning deadwood we'll be in a strong position - as long as TMs judgement of deadwood is the same as ours obviously !

The problem we had in the Bowyer years was that we waited too long to start selling. We were already under embargo by the time it became apparent we needed to move players on. This should have been addressed MUCH earlier by whoever was meant to be responsible for that. If there even was anybody responsible. It probably fell under Bowyer's remit, as almost everything did back then. This time at least we seem to be more on the ball in terms of keeping an eye on our financial responsibilities and how signings affect the club's FFP obligations. Had we been more aware before the first embargo we might have been able to avoid it, and not been forced to sell Cairney on the cheap and do everything we could to shove Rhodes out the door. Although the latter was probably inevitable.

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Just now, DE. said:

The problem we had in the Bowyer years was that we waited too long to start selling. We were already under embargo by the time it became apparent we needed to move players on. This should have been addressed MUCH earlier by whoever was meant to be responsible for that. If there even was anybody responsible. It probably fell under Bowyer's remit, as almost everything did back then. This time at least we seem to be more on the ball in terms of keeping an eye on our financial responsibilities and how signings affect the club's FFP obligations. Had we been more aware before the first embargo we might have been able to avoid it, and not been forced to sell Cairney on the cheap and do everything we could to shove Rhodes out the door. Although the latter was probably inevitable.

If Lowe had turned into the player GB was clearly trying to make him the sale of him for 5 million plus would've made things a bit more stomachable. What we had then was the 1 day per week shelf salesmen who told everyone FFP was coming ages before then did sod all about it but watch us blindly march right in.

Maybe he tried telling them and then gave up I don't think he gave much of a toss he only hung around to see Rhodes out the door and I wouldn't be surprised if he had a stake in that.

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Just now, DE. said:

I had a look at the stats earlier and from recollection we gained very few points from the games Mulgrew scored in, so I don't think losing his goals would make much difference. I'd much rather be stronger at the back and have the midfielders chip in with more goals.

Yeah me too. Defenders defend and attackers attack first and foremost, anything on top of that (when they're actually good at the initial role) is a bonus worth having though.

Suppose it would add the aspect of being more dangerous in the box from set pieces, something we're okay-ish but not great at. 

No idea on the stats but Millwall themselves seem to score a good percentage of goals from corners, and on the flip side Sheff U seem to score a lot from corners. They've stayed in the league and got promotion from the league by 4 or 5 points respectively, so could be worth signing a player who might give you that bit extra compared to a similar player who plays the same position.

 

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Just now, tomphil said:

If Lowe had turned in the player GB was clearly trying to make him the sale of him for 5 million plus would've made things a bit more stomachable. What we had then was the 1 day per week shelf salesmen who told everyone FFP was coming ages before then did sod all about it but watch us blindly march right in.

Maybe he tried telling them and then gave up I don't think he gave much of a toss he only hung around to see Rhodes out the door and I wouldn't be surprised if he had a stake in that.

Come to think of it I'm sure I can remember Bowyer warning about an embargo coming quite far in advance of it actually happening. It's amazing that nobody at the club bothered to step in and try to fix things until it was too late. Just shows how rudderless the ship was at that time. I believe it was around that period that Suhail became more involved, getting rid of Bowyer, hiring Lambert and then by January we were out of embargo. So it was clearly something that was fixable, it's just for some reason nobody did anything about it before the summer. I believe the season after was when we had the emergency loan situation? Some very odd goings on around that time. 

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8 hours ago, JacknOry said:

Have to admit I watched it about 5 times too. His finger bashing on the table was a favourite part of mine. Defenders (bash), well I have no defense. New defenders are coming (bash). In no uncertain terms he has said that the're not good enough collectively at this level. 

Its completely right though, how many goals were down to individual errors from the likes of Williams, Bell, Raya and Mulgrew this season? You could argue that the way we've set up a lot has invited pressure on them too but they should be doing better. Also, how many times did we bottle it collectively in the last 15 minutes? Going from winning to losing in a matter of minutes - thats mental strength if you ask me.

If Mowbray was a poster on here he’d be given a hammering!!

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Just now, Stuart said:

If Mowbray was a poster on here he’d be given a hammering!!

If ?   😎

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I liked what Mowbray said more than the next guy but I hope with all my fecking heart that the comments about selling a player to avoid an embargo are a bit of excitement rather than an actual plan. Surely no one buys as many new players as we need for enough money to push us into embargo territory with the plan of selling some if it doesn't work.

What if we buy tosh? What if they don't cut it? What if Dack breaks his leg, back or neck? Let's not be pinning our financial future on the POSSIBILITY of recouping fees on certain players.

Buy players but buy well.

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Someone remind me, is George Boateng still at the club? If so, could this be where the Dutch scouting mission has originated from? Maybe Boateng has contacts that he has been able to tap up.

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Just now, Stuart said:

Someone remind me, is George Boateng still at the club? If so, could this be where the Dutch scouting mission has originated from? Maybe Boateng has contacts that he has been able to tap up.

I had no idea George Boateng was ever at the club? What was he doing, coaching?

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4 minutes ago, Stuart said:

Someone remind me, is George Boateng still at the club? If so, could this be where the Dutch scouting mission has originated from? Maybe Boateng has contacts that he has been able to tap up.

That’s correct. He’s our under 13’s manager. 

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4 hours ago, OnePhilT said:

I believe Waggott has had one eye on that deal for a very long time.

Surely there comes a point where you just wash your hands of it? Give the lad and silly bollocks agent a final offer that they can either take or swivel. If he signs it will be with a bitter taste the greedy prick. 

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3 hours ago, Neal said:

Surely there comes a point where you just wash your hands of it? Give the lad and silly bollocks agent a final offer that they can either take or swivel. If he signs it will be with a bitter taste the greedy prick. 

... Never mind! 😁

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19 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

What Mowbray has said has to be taken with a pinch of salt as all managers tend to speak well at these things, talk is cheap, but i agree it is going to be interesting. The footballs been turgid in the main to watch this season really, there have been shoots of promise lately and lets see if he can carry it on through.

Its going to be incredibly difficult to move senior players like Mulgrew, Smallwood and Bennett on because they are all on flush new deals, thats Mowbrays doing.

But the bottom line is irrelevant as to whether anyone "deserves" more supporters, ultimately if Waggott puts the prices up again it will do nothing to tempt anyone back, and it will be him that has let Mowbray and the team down, no one else. Waggotts attitude is to put the onus on the supporters who are essentially floating fans, almost as if hes removed of any responsibility and control in terms of getting fans back to support the team.

The onus works both ways. The club have made some positive steps since appointing the manager. What V’s did to our club was horrendous but it’s clear to me that all of the rotten stench from Kean and Anderson has gone now....money isn’t the issue imo. People will find the money to pay for anything that is a priority in their lives. 

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Just now, Paul Mani said:

The onus works both ways. The club have made some positive steps since appointing the manager. What V’s did to our club was horrendous but it’s clear to me that all of the rotten stench from Kean and Anderson has gone now....money isn’t the issue imo. People will find the money to pay for anything that is a priority in their lives. 

Richie Smallwood is a SEM client.

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30 minutes ago, Stuart said:

Richie Smallwood is a SEM client.

Is he the only one? 

If a player we want is SEM do we avoid?

Is there links between the club, agents and players signing like it was 'alleged' before?

One player I would suggest is manageable and although not great it is not a plague that infected us previously

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