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Just now, jim mk2 said:

New signings normally go straight into teams because they're better than you've already got. This new lad clearly isn't better - so fans are entitled to ask why we signed him.

You are ignoring the fact he was only signed yesterday and has had no time to work with the squad. 

I am sure all this week the focus has been on Charlton. Talking tactics, what their strengths are. Tosin hasn't been involved in that. 

I'm not saying he shouldn't go in for the next game after getting up to speed. 

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Just now, Bigdoggsteel said:

You are ignoring the fact he was only signed yesterday and has had no time to work with the squad. 

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Irrelevant. The best new signings go straight in - because they're very good players. Our new boy clearly isn't in that category. 

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Just now, Mattyblue said:

As an example we signed Paul Downing on deadline day... the following Saturday? Straight in at centre half!

3-0 win. Good job the opposition didn’t realise he hadn’t spent weeks working on set pieces at Brockhall!

Yes, 9 days after he signed. Giving him the week to work with the squad on the pre-game build up. Tosin hasn't had any time to do this. 

See the difference? 

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Just now, jim mk2 said:

Irrelevant. The best new signings go straight in - because they're very good players. Our new boy clearly isn't in that category. 

You writing him off before hes even kicked a ball for us Jim ..? ..Brave..

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Just now, HowieFive0 said:

You writing him off before hes even kicked a ball for us Jim ..? ..Brave..

Would ya expect anything else? 

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Just now, HowieFive0 said:

You writing him off before hes even kicked a ball for us Jim ..? ..Brave..

Nope. But his non-selection says alot. 

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Just now, Bigdoggsteel said:

Yes, 9 days after he signed. Giving him the week to work with the squad on the pre-game build up. Tosin hasn't had any time to do this. 

See the difference? 

Oh I see. 3 days of training over about 5/6.

Come off it BDS. It obviously can be done, as I’ve just proven, it just won’t be on this occasion, so maybe hold off the insults in future.

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Colin Hendry played hours after signing from Dundee in Full Members semi final....

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Just now, jim mk2 said:

Nope. But his non-selection says alot. 

Ah ok ..thank god for that then !

Reading the interview TM gave out about Tosin its quite obvious he does rate him and im sure he wouldn't be here if he didn't. 

Can understand him not being thrown in three days after signing for tactical reasons worked out this week (hopefully) ..should have been signed earlier and he probably would have but we ve faffed about getting him in.

Im sure he will  become a regular..although my only other concern is if we have two clean sheets in two games would TM drop Mulgrew and would we as fans want him too ?

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1 hour ago, JoeHarvey said:

Wigan getting themselves rather excited about their transfer window, but to me they've spent nearly £7m on some absolute toss. We all moan (including me) about who we do and don't sign, but we can safely say we've had a better window than them. Antonee Robinson for £2m, absolute tosh. Joe Williams who sunk with Bolton into League One for £2m, well overpriced. Jamal Lowe, an unproven winger who did okay in League One, £2m, again a risk.

I look at Millwall who've let their key forward go, signed the likes of Frankie Fielding and think, Walton's better than him. Reading have gotten weaker, Luton signing the likes of Butterfield who we rejected after trial, Birmingham sold Che Adams AND Jota. It goes on and on.

I think Bradley Johnson and Sam Gallagher ALONE as two signings alone trump almost all of the bottom half of the league in terms of transfer business this window. 

Agree but we’re not really ones to talk. We’ve spent £15 million on strikers in the last 2 summers and none of them will play up front.

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Just now, jim mk2 said:

Irrelevant. The best new signings go straight in - because they're very good players. Our new boy clearly isn't in that category. 

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Just now, Mattyblue said:

Oh I see. 3 days of training over about 5/6.

Come off it BDS. It obviously can be done, as I’ve just proven, it just won’t be on this occasion, so maybe hold off the insults in future.

No, 9 days over 2. In the week before a game many different bases are covered. It seems you either don't understand that or are so entrenched in your view now that you are refusing to acknowledge this. You've proven nothing apart from something in your own head it seems. 

It would be interesting to read you and others views if Mowbray did start Tosin and he had a shocker of a game. Very interesting. I can imagine what they would be. 

 

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And he had to buy his own boots from the first JJB in Blackburn near the market he told me and few of us in a pub one night

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Just now, Bigdoggsteel said:

No, 9 days over 2. In the week before a game many different bases are covered. It seems you either don't understand that or are so entrenched in your view now that you are refusing to acknowledge this. You've proven nothing apart from something in your own head it seems. 

It would be interesting to read you and others views if Mowbray did start Tosin and he had a shocker of a game. Very interesting. I can imagine what they would be. 

 

No chance 9 days of training in an international week, the players are given a fair few days off. Seems you don’t understand training schedules. 

I would say ‘give him a chance’, obviously. You must be confusing me with someone else.

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i think alot of us are frustrated  because  the teams not far off . And with a couple of experienced defenders  we could have a cracking season

 

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3 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

As an example we signed Paul Downing on deadline day... the following Saturday? Straight in at centre half!

3-0 win. Good job the opposition didn’t realise he hadn’t spent weeks working on set pieces at Brockhall.

Swear Mulgrew was injured and then put back into the team the following game when he wasn't.....

He stayed in the bench for a few games before unseating Elliot Ward around the Gillingham game if I remember correctly?

Don't let that get in the way of your argument though.

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Tosin probably could play but I doubt we'll see more than a late cameo to be honest, but I'm fine with that.

In fairness a big part of training for a new defender will be on set pieces, an area with obvious room for improvement for us both offensive and defensively. He won't really be up to speed on routines yet. Given how fragile we were last season though you could argue theres nothing to lose throwing him in at the deep end.

I'm almost certain his full debut will be vs Oldham in the cup, ease him in gently rather than baptism of fire at Fulham next week.

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1 hour ago, JoeHarvey said:

Wigan getting themselves rather excited about their transfer window, but to me they've spent nearly £7m on some absolute toss. We all moan (including me) about who we do and don't sign, but we can safely say we've had a better window than them. Antonee Robinson for £2m, absolute tosh. Joe Williams who sunk with Bolton into League One for £2m, well overpriced. Jamal Lowe, an unproven winger who did okay in League One, £2m, again a risk.

I look at Millwall who've let their key forward go, signed the likes of Frankie Fielding and think, Walton's better than him. Reading have gotten weaker, Luton signing the likes of Butterfield who we rejected after trial, Birmingham sold Che Adams AND Jota. It goes on and on.

I think Bradley Johnson and Sam Gallagher ALONE as two signings alone trump almost all of the bottom half of the league in terms of transfer business this window. 

I expect Wigan will finish above us this season, or will be in a similar area of the table. Call me negative but I see them as signing players for specific roles within their team, whereas we seem to like collecting players the manager 'trusts' or for their professionalism and versatility rather than With a particular job in mind and an immediate place in the team.

I see Mowbray as a manager who ties himself into knots with his recruitment and tactics, trying to balance his desired way of playing with the realities of the squad and an inability/refusal to do anything about it hence starting the season with the same old defence.

Only time will tell but I'm at this point unimpressed and quite astonished by our approach to the transfer window this summer. We're a 2nd division side who finished in the bottom half of the table likely to be starting the season with a defence made up of midfielders and £12 million on the bench.

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8 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

New signings normally go straight into teams because they're better than you've already got. This new lad clearly isn't better - so fans are entitled to ask why we signed him.

I always remembered Dalgish in his Liverpool days buying players who then had to wait to force themselves into the first team.

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Just now, Dreams of 1995 said:

Swear Mulgrew was injured and then put back into the team the following game when he wasn't.....

He stayed in the bench for a few games before unseating Elliot Ward around the Gillingham game if I remember correctly?

Don't let that get in the way of your argument though.

Don’t get your point?

My point was simply Downing signed and played straight away.

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Just now, Mattyblue said:

Don’t get your point?

My point was simply Downing signed and played straight away.

Because he had to due to fitness issues.

Whereas now he doesn't need to play because Mulgrew is fit.

Paul Downing sank into a defence with Elliot Ward and I remember most on here dreading the thought of it. It worked out ok but don't pretend like it didn't worry us at the time, and that was a poorer opposition (although only just, Charlton aren't any great shakes).

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Just now, Mattyblue said:

Don’t get your point?

My point was simply Downing signed and played straight away.

Could be argued Matty(and im not arguing !) that Downing came in at the end of the window after playing three games for MK and a full pre season behind him so fully upto speed fitness wise.

Maybe Tosin has nt had any pre season as such ..?

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Just now, Dreams of 1995 said:

Because he had to due to fitness issues.

Whereas now he doesn't need to play because Mulgrew is fit.

Paul Downing sank into a defence with Elliot Ward and I remember most on here dreading the thought of it. It worked out ok but don't pretend like it didn't worry us at the time, and that was a poorer opposition (although only just, Charlton aren't any great shakes).

So you CAN put a new signing in then. That’s ALL I’m saying. Though every situation is different and will be judged on its merits.

Thought it was a fairly innocuous post, but obviously it makes me a ‘clueless FIFA 19er’.

Fair enough, debating brfcs style ^_^

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Just now, Mattyblue said:

Thought it was a fairly innocuous post, but obviously it makes me a ‘clueless FIFA 19er’.

No youre not ..

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Just now, JHRover said:

I expect Wigan will finish above us this season, or will be in a similar area of the table. Call me negative but I see them as signing players for specific roles within their team, whereas we seem to like collecting players the manager 'trusts' or for their professionalism and versatility rather than With a particular job in mind and an immediate place in the team.

I see Mowbray as a manager who ties himself into knots with his recruitment and tactics, trying to balance his desired way of playing with the realities of the squad and an inability/refusal to do anything about it hence starting the season with the same old defence.

Only time will tell but I'm at this point unimpressed and quite astonished by our approach to the transfer window this summer. We're a 2nd division side who finished in the bottom half of the table likely to be starting the season with a defence made up of midfielders and £12 million on the bench.

This comes across a bit “grass is greener” in my book, since I’m sure most balanced Wigan fans would be laughing their heads off at a rovers fan being sort of “jealous” of their overall direction.

They’ve recently lost their best player for free too. Imagine if our summer business involved losing Dack or Lenihan for nothing?

The way you see Mowbray too - he’s had two of his own seasons. For all the mistakes you’re implying, the poor tactical approach, the inadequate transfer and squad utilisation.. It’s impossible to achieve even the basics without some success on all those fronts.

As you say, only time will tell. No doubt there is room for improvement, but in my mind the steps we’ve taken under TM have actually created this expectation. I can’t fathom why many are oblivious to that.

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