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Didn't realise Forster played for Southampton against West Ham, his first start since 2017. Pulled off some decent saves too. 

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Mowbray said the Hart rumour is a false one.

Would like to pick up an experienced keeper capable of making his presence felt on balls in to the box. 

Somebody of the Scott Carson/John Ruddy mould.

 

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Just now, Norbert Rassragr said:

Hart is over paid clown pants. He'd be the highest paid player and not that much better than Raya.

Friedel was a clown pants at Liverpool until he came here and reinvented himself.

With the right management, playing to his strengths, Hart could do a job.  However, I don't think we have the coaching expertise to tap into that.

We can find better value on the continent.

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Your last sentence is pretty much what I am saying. And that Hart is pretty crap. Been to a few clubs since Citeh, and always bungled things up. Torino didn't want him, West Ham were not keen, and now Burnley decided he was not good enough. Considering he is probably on something like 50,000 p/w, we can do better than some washed up has been with no confidence trading on past glories. He is no Friedel, not now.

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19 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

It would appear from the outside that there's been a falling out between Raya and TM, otherwise why would he be completely frozen out for the last four games after being persisted with all season?

I actually thought he'd picked his game up somewhat after being singled out for public criticism  but the next news he's dropped. Very odd.

I echo the sentiments above, when you see the howlers being made week in week out by De Gea and various other keepers costing 50m or 70m I really don't think Raya is that far away from being a top class keeper.

If he is demoted or allowed to leave it will be a monumental blunder imo.

 

I still half suspect that when things have settled down and focus is elsewhere they'll announce they are keeping Jason on and the purpose of this run of games is to allow his extra year to kick in whilst having a look at him.

I'm thinking cheap option with any available funds going elsewhere although of course it could change after Mowbrays India trip.

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Just now, tomphil said:

I still half suspect that when things have settled down and focus is elsewhere they'll announce they are keeping Jason on and the purpose of this run of games is to allow his extra year to kick in whilst having a look at him.

I'm thinking cheap option with any available funds going elsewhere although of course it could change after Mowbrays India trip.

I think things may have changed once Mowbray started criticising Raya. It seemed that Mowbray had finally losed confidence in him so keeper moved up the priority list

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Just now, dingles staying down 4ever said:

I think things may have changed once Mowbray started criticising Raya. It seemed that Mowbray had finally losed confidence in him so keeper moved up the priority list

Such an un-Mowbray thing to do though seeing as he comes across as very much a players man as is intent on swapping around regardless at times just to give everyone some game time.

Maybe I've got it completely wrong and he's just giving the back up keeper a shop window opportunity hoping he'll get himself fixed up if he's released. That would very much be a TM thing to do.

 

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The commentary team for the game mentioned that Mowbray had told both keepers another keeper is being sought so I don't think its pschology. Im still undecided if it will be as competition for Raya or his replacement .

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Just now, dingles staying down 4ever said:

The commentary team for the game mentioned that Mowbray had told both keepers another keeper is being sought so I don't think its pschology. Im still undecided if it will be as competition for Raya or his replacement .

Precisely- telling him to up his game or else!

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Isn't Raya to have face surgery in this off-season? No coincidence that his form went off after that "assault" v West Brom.

Surely we have to see how he recovers? That doesn't mean we shouldn't sign another keeper, I hope we do but I wouldn't write off Raya yet.

Had too much responsibility too soon, needed an older keeper to watch and learn from.

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There is a lad at Wimbledon who is on loan from Bournemouth. Aaron Ramsdale. Got rave reviews and tipped for big things. Bournemouth want to loan him to a championship club next season. Would provide competition for raya. Wimbledon fans and pundits alike are saying he will be a premier league goalkeeper in the near future

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Leutwiler played well at Norwich but reverted to poor again against Swansea.

I would get rid of Leutwiler, keep Raya, get a much better keeper and, most importantly, get a better goalkeeper coach.

I think TM should review all his backroom staff and be brave enough to replace the poor ones.

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I think his comments in the LT are prepping for Leutwiler to be getting retained it's classic Mowbray blowing out some bold statement a few weeks back and then gently winding it in a little while later 😛

There'll be no big keeper signing folks it'll be as you were with maybe a similar or another young back up brought in and possible one out on loan then if they keep JL.

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The standard of goalkeeping in this league is pretty shocking really. Its not just us. 

 

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I don’t think the Goalkeeper situation is necessarily that bad. The Goalkeeper Coaching situation, however...

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The same pair will see us through another similar season no problem but will you build an assault on the play offs on that ?  Maybe not but other areas at the back are pressing for improvement as well particularly when there is lots of swapping and changing in front of them in terms of personnel and tactics, several times per game often.

All good teams are built on solid foundations.

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The more I think about the current events the less sense it all makes.

We have a goalkeeper with potential but who isn’t being pushed (because the number two isn’t credible) and is being coached via a text book.

So what do we do?

Re-sign the number two and tell the number one that his services are under question. Then allegedly entertain advances from Brentford for him.

Let’s say he leaves and we bring in Fielding (for instance), then we still have the same problem scenario, just with a different name on the number one shirt.

The only way this ends well is if we bring in either another Friedel (unknown but outstanding - and impervious to injury) or we bring in a talented keeper with top level experience and an experience and mentor-like new gk coach - who can also improve Leutweiler.

If Raya doesn’t leave then his confidence has been kicked and he still has the same lack of competition.

Keeping Leutweiler seems a very poor bit of business when actually upgrading the number two should have been the required first step.

Or does Mowbray see Leutweiler as the new number one - on the back of a good run of results at the end of last season when the pressure was off? 🤔

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52 minutes ago, Stuart said:

 

Or does Mowbray see Leutweiler as the new number one - on the back of a good run of results at the end of last season when the pressure was off? 🤔

That's the worry. Mowbray replaced Steele with Raya for the last few games of his first season and moved Steele on in the summer!

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Just now, Rogerb said:

That's the worry. Mowbray replaced Steele with Raya for the last few games of his first season and moved Steele on in the summer!

Steele was injured when Mowbray brought Raya in. Would he have dropped Steele?

We'll never know.

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Raya is a good shot-stopper but, if we're being truthful, he lacks in too many other areas to be a major part of a promotion-challenging side.

There's a lot of focus on the need for defenders, but I also get the impression that Raya is simply not a commander. I've never seen him get angry at his defence, bollock them for being out of position, communicate strongly with them, and so on. That was a key feature of the Friedels, Robinsons, and so on - you could always visualise the organisation. Maybe it's to do with age and maturity, but whatever it is, and despite Raya having potential, there may be some characteristics that will never change. If we want promotion, we need better - and probably older.

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At our level, it will take a fair bit to improve on  Raya. There are few outstanding, fault free keepers even in the PL.

Sign Ter Stegen and reluctantly I’ll be happy with letting Raya go.

Raya is an academy product and will play in the PL at some point. Will be devvoed if it’s not with us.

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51 minutes ago, S8 & Blue said:

At our level, it will take a fair bit to improve on  Raya. There are few outstanding, fault free keepers even in the PL.

Sign Ter Stegen and reluctantly I’ll be happy with letting Raya go.

Raya is an academy product and will play in the PL at some point. Will be devvoed if it’s not with us.

Its not that he makes mistakes, it is the regularity of them.

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1 hour ago, S8 & Blue said:

At our level, it will take a fair bit to improve on  Raya. There are few outstanding, fault free keepers even in the PL.

Raya has (admittedly with the help of our defence) conceded a massive amount of goals this season. I don't think it would take a fair bit of doing to improve on him.

I know what the next question will be: "Then who?" 😁 I don't know, but it seems as though Mowbray is looking to replace him (presumably with someone who he thinks his better), so that's good enough for me. If we are going to find out what Tony is really made of, then the squad needs to be largely his own.

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