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18 hours ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

All this talk of retained lists reminds me about Whittingham. He never announced he was retiring, but he hasn't found a club since here. A bit strange 

Last time he wanted a player with technical ability and experience on the ball that's what we ended up with and he's another who ended being paid off.

Not sure spotting a midfielder is Mowbrays strong point hence why I think he'll continue to work his way through the Evans/Smallwood/Travis triangle next season. Gives him chance to rotate according to opposition which he loves and keeps available the cautious approach which he also loves.

He dropped on a very good midfielder in Reed but was terrified of giving him a regular slot in his real position so that says a lot I think but we don't want any Whittingham types again anyway.

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44 minutes ago, tomphil said:

Last time he wanted a player with technical ability and experience on the ball that's what we ended up with and he's another who ended being paid off.

Not sure spotting a midfielder is Mowbrays strong point hence why I think he'll continue to work his way through the Evans/Smallwood/Travis triangle next season. Gives him chance to rotate according to opposition which he loves and keeps available the cautious approach which he also loves.

He dropped on a very good midfielder in Reed but was terrified of giving him a regular slot in his real position so that says a lot I think but we don't want any Whittingham types again anyway.

The lack of trust in some of our more enthusiastic players, Reed being one and Travis eventually getting the position, once we were safe.

I wonder if it is to avoid raising expectations? Reed being played out wide to accommodate the crab brothers was the daftest decision last season but ultimately effective in keeping us up. Even though more ambition could have seen us competing with Derby.

Mowbray seems to steadfastly stick to his targets and ignores the urge to raise his standards during the season. Promotion, when we could have been champions; safety, when we could have pushed on. This is why I was hopeful when he came out and said that this season’s target was promotion. To do that he has to win football matches rather than draw them and to do that he needs to cut away the deadwood and barnacles that are slowing us down. A solid non-nonsense defence and an attacking mindset.

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37 minutes ago, Stuart said:

The lack of trust in some of our more enthusiastic players, Reed being one and Travis eventually getting the position, once we were safe.

I wonder if it is to avoid raising expectations? Reed being played out wide to accommodate the crab brothers was the daftest decision last season but ultimately effective in keeping us up. Even though more ambition could have seen us competing with Derby.

Mowbray seems to steadfastly stick to his targets and ignores the urge to raise his standards during the season. Promotion, when we could have been champions; safety, when we could have pushed on. This is why I was hopeful when he came out and said that this season’s target was promotion. To do that he has to win football matches rather than draw them and to do that he needs to cut away the deadwood and barnacles that are slowing us down. A solid non-nonsense defence and an attacking mindset.

He did it in patches this season but seems to bottle it every time an attacking approach back fires but in some of those away games where we were cruising then ended hanging on or got beat he himself made some terrible calls in chopping and changing things around.

I think when you play a more attacking game and use the more bold players especially in the middle you will get caught out a time or two and you will take the odd pasting but you've got to stick with it imo. Changing things around every week and in games several times only serves to add to confusion but it's a trademark with Mowbray wherever he's been and so I really can't see it changing now.

I think to be really successful here he'll need a large squad with some quality in every area to pick from and allow him to get away with the constant adjustments a bit like us in league 1 last year. Apart from preferring the two defensive mids and counter attacking he doesn't really have a core style he sticks to like the Bruces, Dyche  and the like where they tend to stick to the same methods, best first 11 and put guys in place who can operate in those methods. They're all accused of being boring but they tend to get teams promoted.

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8 hours ago, Stuart said:

The lack of trust in some of our more enthusiastic players, Reed being one and Travis eventually getting the position, once we were safe.

I wonder if it is to avoid raising expectations? Reed being played out wide to accommodate the crab brothers was the daftest decision last season but ultimately effective in keeping us up. Even though more ambition could have seen us competing with Derby.

Mowbray seems to steadfastly stick to his targets and ignores the urge to raise his standards during the season. Promotion, when we could have been champions; safety, when we could have pushed on. This is why I was hopeful when he came out and said that this season’s target was promotion. To do that he has to win football matches rather than draw them and to do that he needs to cut away the deadwood and barnacles that are slowing us down. A solid non-nonsense defence and an attacking mindset.

You are reading far too much into it I suspect. The lack of importance/effort placed by Mowbray on a potential League 1 title, I share your frustration in.

But playing Reed wide was something he did because as he said, Evans and Smallwood "played the position better." Something I disagreed with at the time, but I put it down to over-cautiousness and over-loyalty to those 2 in question rather than trying to lower expectations, that seems incredibly far-fetched.

The shackles did come off once relegation was mathematically impossible, notably the defensive winger nonsense was knocked on the head, why would Mowbray even give the supporters a glimpse of a potentially both more exciting and more effective side when nothings to play for, only furthering the evidence of those who felt that he had made incorrect decisions earlier in the season, if he was primarily managing expectations?

By doing that at the end of the season, hes left himself wide open to judgement. If at the start of next season he returns back to old ways, defensive wingers, Smallwood and Evans etc, then we really can worry.

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Mowbray is just a naturally overcautious manager, he'd rather play it safe than potentially leave the team in a vulnerable position by exposing gaps for the opposition to exploit. It's a commendable attitude in some respects, but there are two major issues I have with his approach.

Firstly, he seems to wait far too long to change things. We went on an embarrassingly long run of terrible form from the beginning of February before he finally made some serious changes which brought instant results. At that point he had little choice but to continue on with it, and since we were safe at that point and had no realistic chance of reaching the playoffs there was no real pressure if we got a couple of really bad results along the way.

Secondly, he is far too cautious against teams which are inferior to us - particularly at home. Because of his overthinking we rarely start off on the front foot against teams we should be beating. I have no issue with taking caution away from home (although our away form this season was pretty poor anyway) or at home against the better teams in the division, but I don't understand it when we're playing teams like Rotherham, Ipswich, Millwall, etc. Those are situations where he needs to be more courageous if he has serious ambitions of getting promoted.

I'm still hopeful that the tail end of the season will have opened the manager's eyes a bit, and with a decent summer we may have a good 19/20 season. A poor summer window and no lessons learned from last season could see us in some serious trouble though. At this point I really feel like it could go either way. 

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