Backroom Tom Posted January 14, 2020 Backroom Share Posted January 14, 2020 Mowbray questions where the goals will come from, singles out Holtby as someone who can’t score Dacks goals Seems he forgets to mention the £12m of strikers with less than a handful between them https://t.co/9jZM8rIOmA?amp=1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jim mk2 Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 15 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said: Have the various CEOs actually had the powers and authority that would normally be associated with that position ? The impression I get is that these people are really just administrators. If they are just "administrators" they should be paid accordingly. Waggott was on a basic £350,000 at Charlton 10 years ago. Do you think he will be on any less than us? Not bad for a pen pusher with no powers or authority. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mashed Potatoes Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Just now, jim mk2 said: If they are just "administrators" they should be paid accordingly. Waggott was on a basic £350,000 at Charlton 10 years ago. Do you think he will be on any less than us? Not bad for a pen pusher with no powers or authority. Agreed - but an indication of how the owners have set the club up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigdoggsteel Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Tom said: Mowbray questions where the goals will come from, singles out Holtby as someone who can’t score Dacks goals Seems he forgets to mention the £12m of strikers with less than a handful between them https://t.co/9jZM8rIOmA?amp=1 This comment makes me just think "eugh". “We’ll keep rolling and see if we can get the right balance. We’re in there with all the other 14, 15 or 16 teams that believe they can get into the play-offs if they can put a run together.” Even when he does find the right balance, he won't stick with it. The worst thing is, I think this would be a great season to break into the play-offs. A lot of inconsistent teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomphil Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Fact is until there is someone either very good in high office operating independent of the manager or someone with BRFC and it's best interests first and foremost in their hearts nothing will ever change. All far to cosy again in house now at Ewood and open to misleading decisions but the Vs will only operate that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBTF Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 (edited) 17 hours ago, JHRover said: Which do you think is more likely. 1) Venkys mysteriously and suddenly decide, after nearly 9 years of operating the club without one, that there is an immediate need to appoint a CEO. To this end they go off and employ an agency to headhunt someone to fill the roles and then after a lengthy process whittle it down to one bloke who was unemployed having had brief stints at other crisis clubs Charlton and Coventry. After lining him up by amazing coincidence he knows the manager well from recently working with him at Coventry. 2) Mowbray tells Venkys they need to appoint a CEO because the shell of a club they have created is struggling to function with Cheston out of his depth and Pasha doing nothing useful. He's well in with them. They ask him for suggestions because they couldn't pick their own noses let alone a CEO of a football club and so Mowbray puts forward his mate who he gets on with who needs a new job. Hello Waggott. Option 1 or Option 2? As I've said before I suppose it is progress of sorts that Mowbray has the clout to persuade them to do it and we are surely better off with Waggott than nobody as before. Arguably Mowbray has more idea than anyone else around when it comes to appointing high level staff. Still doesn't detract from the reality - that Mowbray was involved in appointing his own boss Yes JHR and it reminds me of the pantomime when Pashas job was “ advertised “. we are living in an ewood world with lots of smoke and many mirrors with regular infusions of lies and deceit. By the way that Mowbray flag makes me want to vom . Any normal guy would be embarrassed by it . Edited January 14, 2020 by TBTF 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue blood Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 For all those saying we won't get better there's an article on BBC football (I can't copy the link) saying Warnock is tempted by one last job to get over the 1500 league games milestone. But of course there's no one better out there than TM. As for where the goals will come from, funny TM isn't talking about Gally and Bereton. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davulsukur Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Bigdoggsteel said: This comment makes me just think "eugh". “We’ll keep rolling and see if we can get the right balance. We’re in there with all the other 14, 15 or 16 teams that believe they can get into the play-offs if they can put a run together.” Even when he does find the right balance, he won't stick with it. The worst thing is, I think this would be a great season to break into the play-offs. A lot of inconsistent teams. This. He always goes back to his "Footballing Philosophy" of being a possession based, passing team. Even if we win 4 on the bounce playing more direct and on the counter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davulsukur Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51100089 Probably been mentioned but Warnock wants one last challenge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderation Lead K-Hod Posted January 14, 2020 Moderation Lead Share Posted January 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, davulsukur said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51100089 Probably been mentioned but Warnock wants one last challenge. As much as I’d love it if we did hire him, I simply can’t see it, after the hash we made of it last time when we ultimately appointed Coyle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davulsukur Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 8 minutes ago, K-Hod said: As much as I’d love it if we did hire him, I simply can’t see it, after the hash we made of it last time when we ultimately appointed Coyle. Yer he won't be coming here. There have been a few times where people have claimed he has retired when discussing a Mowbray replacement. Just putting the link up as he clearly wants to manage again and would be an upgrade on Mowbray. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaddyrovers Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 7 hours ago, arbitro said: Mowbray recommended Waggott. you know for sure? just another guess? 3 hours ago, Mashed Potatoes said: Have the various CEOs actually had the powers and authority that would normally be associated with that position ? The impression I get is that these people are really just administrators. I would guess very few CEO in Football now have permission to sack the manager without authorisation from the owner of the club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldjamfan1 Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said: I would guess very few CEO in Football now have permission to sack the manager without authorisation from the owner of the club If I was the CEO I would expect to hold the power to hire and fire. I should think the opposite of what you say is true Chaddy. That's partly why they are employed - to be the owner's guardian of the club. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arbitro Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said: you know for sure? just another guess? I would guess very few CEO in Football now have permission to sack the manager without authorisation from the owner of the club It's an educated guess. Just like you are guessing with your assumption but if you join the dots my guess holds more water than yours. I don't for one second think you will see if the same way as me though. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaddyrovers Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 10 minutes ago, oldjamfan1 said: If I was the CEO I would expect to hold the power to hire and fire. I should think the opposite of what you say is true Chaddy. That's partly why they are employed - to be the owner's guardian of the club. If I was owner of any football club it would be my decision to whether hire or fire the manager. I watched the class of 92 series on Sky Sports and the decisions on the manager choice/future was with the owners and the sporting director of Salford City club. Then I have watched the Sunderland TV Documentary series where it was Sunderland CEO Martin Bain choice on the manager hiring and firing. 9 minutes ago, arbitro said: It's an educated guess. Just like you are guessing with your assumption but if you join the dots my guess holds more water than yours. I don't for one second think you will see if the same way as me though. Fair enough. I have used both Mowbray and Waggott comments on the situation for my viewpoint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JacknOry Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said: If I was owner of any football club it would be my decision to whether hire or fire the manager. I watched the class of 92 series on Sky Sports and the decisions on the manager choice/future was with the owners and the sporting director of Salford City club. Then I have watched the Sunderland TV Documentary series where it was Sunderland CEO Martin Bain choice on the manager hiring and firing. Fair enough. I have used both Mowbray and Waggott comments on the situation for my viewpoint You would be the dream owner for a manager - as you would never fire them. Edited January 14, 2020 by JacknOry 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaddyrovers Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 9 minutes ago, JacknOry said: You would be the dream owner for a manager - as you would never fire them. sadly not. I would be very thoughtful and careful as owner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JacknOry Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said: sadly not. I would be very thoughtful and careful as owner. Would you fire TM today? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaddyrovers Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Just now, JacknOry said: Would you fire TM today? no I wouldnt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JacknOry Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said: no I wouldnt Exactly my point. Your manager has just shoveled 12 million of your money into a hole you will never get it back from. Your club is now on the cusp of FFP difficulties - yet you would still not fire him. You have more money than sense Chaddy. Edited January 14, 2020 by JacknOry 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaddyrovers Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 1 minute ago, JacknOry said: Exactly my point. why? cos I don't agree with your view of sacking a manager Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JacknOry Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Just now, chaddyrovers said: why? cos I don't agree with your view of sacking a manager See my edit above to answer that question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaddyrovers Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 14 minutes ago, JacknOry said: Your manager has just shoveled 12 million of your money into a hole you will never get it back from. Your club is now on the cusp of FFP difficulties - yet you would still not fire him. You have more money than sense Chaddy. well it would be my money funding the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amo Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 47 minutes ago, JacknOry said: You would be the dream owner for a manager - as you would never fire them. Yes, he would. Then just as they're leaving the car park, he'd open the window and call them back. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercer Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 3 hours ago, chaddyrovers said: no I wouldnt What is your justification for not firing Mowbray ? Do you trust Mowbray in the transfer market ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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