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2 minutes ago, tomphil said:

Bury is a silly example but that desperado will chuck any name out to defend Venkys and Mowbray.

Sadly for them they've always been a tiny club for probably 50 years or more they just can't get fans in. The people of Bury by and large just don't care about them that's the awful truth.  Plenty in Blackburn DO care about Rovers though some are far too easily put off whilst a lot of others can see and smell bullshit at a thousand paces.  There's been and continues to be far too much of that hence why some just don't take Rovers seriously anymore.

THat probably doesn't transmit itself to leafy Surrey where the righteous sit and bemoan a load of northern ingrates from the comfort of their favourite armchair.....every Saturday afternoon !

I don't defend Venkys - I saw through them from the day they fired Sam. But people talking lightly of the club going in to administration need to get real about the consequences.

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2 hours ago, phili said:

I am more worried about this being the perfect time and excuse for Venky's to put us into administration without losing any face.

You can easily spin it and get lots of positive press in India by saying they have put us into administration to invest the £15m a year on Indian healthcare projects during this extremely difficult time.

They'll never do that whilst there are assets to cash in it wouldn't make any sense really. Like last time we were sailing close to the wind the 30 million they recouped reset the clock for a bit longer.

Bound to need re sting again soon though.

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2 minutes ago, tomphil said:

They'll never do that whilst there are assets to cash in it wouldn't make any sense really. Like last time we were sailing close to the wind the 30 million they recouped reset the clock for a bit longer.

Bound to need re sting again soon though.

What assets can they cash in ?

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54 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Haven't we been over this Stuart before? Why don't you accept that other posters have a different view of Mowbray and the job he has done then yourself. Are you going to accept it? 

No, we haven’t.

How can I accept your view if you don’t give it?

Do you thing Mowbray has more positives than negatives based on his Championship record with Rovers?

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Just now, Sparks Rover said:

Brockhall

Isn't there a covenant over it which severely restricts the possibility of development ?

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7 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Depressing article.

As tomphil rightly says, all Mowbray seems bothered about is whether or not he can give new contracts to the six players whose deals are due to run out. The only one who should be under any sort of consideration is Downing and even he isn't really someone who's going to get us promoted at his age.

Mowbray also seems to be conceding that we won't even be able to bring in a permanent keeper for next season. Selling Raya without securing a decent permanent replacement first should be a sackable offence on it's own. 

Edited by RevidgeBlue

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37 minutes ago, Stuart said:

No, we haven’t.

How can I accept your view if you don’t give it?

Do you thing Mowbray has more positives than negatives based on his Championship record with Rovers?

But I have Stuart. I have answered Sparks and Mercer(twice) questions about my view on Mowbray and me backing him. My view hasn't change since yesterday answer to Sparks or to Mercer last week

 

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5 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Haven't we been over this Stuart before? Why don't you accept that other posters have a different view of Mowbray and the job he has done then yourself. Are you going to accept it? 

Do you mean agents? 

If so, Gallagher's agent is crown football and Brereton's agent is Wasserman 

Here is a list of Rovers player's agent

https://www.transfermarkt.com.hr/blackburn-rovers/berateruebersicht/verein/164

Seemingly, a huge majority (almost 80%) want him out!

There is not a single person in my circle of Rovers' fans who wants Rovers to keep Mowbray.

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2 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

The fact that hes totally in the dark about the budget to the extent that he doesnt even know when he will found out really shows how disinterested our twattish owners are.

But hey, lets be grateful that we havent gone into administration!

Without wishing to defend their record over the entire period of ownership I think that's rather harsh on the owners.

Since we were relegated to League 1 Mowbray has had excellent budgets to work with and since promotion back to the Championship he has largely wasted it, as much on wages by handing out unnecessary contracts as the £12m in transfer fees wasted on SG and BB. To the point where we don't even own a keeper going forward. Arguably the most important position in the team.

If there is financial turmoil in India it's maybe understandable that budgets for next season haven't been forthcoming yet. In an ideal world you'd hope the delay and apparent silence was because the owners are dissatisfied with what they've seen on and off the pitch over the last two seasons and are considering major changes.

I doubt it, you can but dream though.

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Just now, Mercer said:

Seemingly, a huge majority (almost 80%) want him out!

There is not a single person in my circle of Rovers' fans who wants Rovers to keep Mowbray.

Point is? 

Still plenty of support out there whether it facebook and Twitter groups for Mowbray. 

Anyway I not going to keep going this every day. I have posted my views on Mowbray and it ain't change. 

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Got to say, I can’t say I see what Mercer sees, I can’t particularly feel much of a groundswell for him to go.

The best thing to happen for the club, in terms of scrutiny, was that relegation, we are now a club ‘that was in League 1 not long ago’, so plodding along in Championship mid table with a nice fella like Mowbray and owners ‘who put more money in than Jack’ is fine for evermore with most fans I come across out there.

Try and say you expect the club to strive for better and you are usually shot down as we are ‘a small club’.

Thank you Venky’s, from the most successful town club in the country, the archetypal ‘big club in a small town’, to being grateful to those fools in Pune for not playing Fleetwood each year... 
 

Edited by Mattyblue

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1 hour ago, tomphil said:

They'll never do that whilst there are assets to cash in it wouldn't make any sense really. Like last time we were sailing close to the wind the 30 million they recouped reset the clock for a bit longer.

Bound to need re sting again soon though.

Other option is for the next 12 months to reduce the amount they will put in down to £3m for the season, meaning we need to generate or reduce costs by £12m. If they do want to do that, there will be no contract extensions and all sellable players will be gone. So we'll need someone better than Tony at developing youth players and much more experienced at player trading to put a team out for next season.

I am not sure which is worse administration or death by a 1000 cuts.

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2 hours ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

What assets can they cash in ?

Playing assets although the prices aren't likely to be what they might have been.

I think a lot of clubs might be battening down the hatches this summer but then again if you are ambitious that will open up doors.

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7 minutes ago, tomphil said:

Playing assets although the prices aren't likely to be what they might have been.

I think a lot of clubs might be battening down the hatches this summer but then again if you are ambitious that will open up doors.

I concur but if nobody's buying there's nothing to sell.

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5 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

I concur but if nobody's buying there's nothing to sell.

It could be a buyers market though.

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20 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

If you've got something to buy with.

Maybe we could sell one of our 2 defenders for peanuts to afford another non-goal scoring striker that transitions  to play left wing?

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26 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

If you've got something to buy with.

Dependent on the budget the freeing up of deadwood might allow the wages of one decent bargain to be snapped up. That's the kind of wheeling and dealing good strong managers do.

Weak ones waste money on their favs and their pals pals.

Over to Tony.

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48 minutes ago, Angry_Pirate said:

Maybe we could sell one of our 2 defenders for peanuts to afford another non-goal scoring striker that transitions  to play left wing?

Don’t even joke about that

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3 things that will end up defining this season

In no particular order......

1)  The poor efforts in losing 3 in a row after lockdown and the good start.  Having got yourselves in a good position with not many left and nothing to fear in 2 of them you simply have to go for it.  We didn't, end of.

2)  The loss of Dack - Whilst i don't adhere to the assumption we'd be loads of points better off as it's never that simplistic i'm pretty confident we'd have at least 3 more.

3)  The 5 million wasted following on from the silly punt the summer before.  Wrong player, wrong position...again.

 

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Set himself a target of 70 points minimum and has failed.

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Mowbray has signed four players (Holtby, Rothwell, Brereton, Gallagher) who all play their best football in the same position- Dack's position.

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3 hours ago, philipl said:

Mowbray has signed four players (Holtby, Rothwell, Brereton, Gallagher) who all play their best football in the same position- Dack's position.

I'm not sure Gallagher is a number 10.

I remain convinced that Brereton & Gallagher were signed to learn "our way of playing" as Mowbray always puts it, in view to replacing the Dack/Graham partnership from the 20/21 season.

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3 hours ago, MarkBRFC said:

I'm not sure Gallagher is a number 10.

I remain convinced that Brereton & Gallagher were signed to learn "our way of playing" as Mowbray always puts it, in view to replacing the Dack/Graham partnership from the 20/21 season.

If Dack is being replaced by Rothwell/Holtby and Graham is being replaced by Gallagher/Brereton, then Dack’s injury and Graham’s age should have provided a great opportunity to get them used to that this season. Instead he has played all four of them predominantly as wide forwards - to poor effect.

Personally I’m with @philipl and would expand to say that we’ve not really had much of a plan at all. They just became available. Gally in particular was an ex-loanee so “knew the club”. Rothwell and Holtby were opportune. Brereton is the only curious one. Certainly an investment given his pedigree as an England youth international but how many of those have failed to kick on? The price tag alone may have ruined that lad because of the expectation. Especially when it was one the club couldn’t afford.

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