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2 hours ago, Leonard Venkhater said:

If only, Parson. I started late. We were relegated in my second proper season. Even in the previous season, we crashed and burned after selling Keith Newton, but I was hooked. I have grieved for the loss of many star players, since then too.

The difference was that I believed that Bancroft, Keighley, Brown, Fox etc had the interests of the club at heart

I remain disgusted by what has been allowed to happen to our club. This is the longest malaise in all my Rovers time. 10 years of (almost entirely)no hope managers minus the appropriate CV's and serious unease about the reasons behind too many signings!

Sometimes, I even catch myself thinking it would be better if the Raos went now and brought the moment to a crisis sooner, so we could start building a proper club again. The alternative seems to be remaining with the sword of Damacles hanging over us.

Death by a thousand shite transfer windows!

I remember being one of “The faithful few” in the 70s, but I was never as pissed off with the Rovers as I am now.

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19 minutes ago, rigger said:

I remember being one of “The faithful few” in the 70s, but I was never as pissed off with the Rovers as I am now.

Its been a harrowing ten years for genuine fans that's for sure and at times it's the anger, adrenaline at the injustice of it that fires the passion over the rubbish football.  Right now though its just difficult to bother about we are every the bit the water treader that seems just set up like an old boys club.

As long as the manager is a nice guy he's safe all because what went before and in turn as long as he looks after his mates the whole thing will plod on.  Nobody gets held accountable for anything and the fans are the villians every time there's an air of restlessness.

A plonker on twitter this afternoon told me Walton is a good keeper we are lucky Mowbray got him and the manager himself should have the job for life. And to top it all Brereton is a good investment he'll come good.

Unbelievable mentality the slightest bit of ambition is met with derision, oi leave things as they are we are doomed if it changes. I sometimes wonder what some of these lot are like in real life they seem fans of the manager rather than the club.

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30 minutes ago, rigger said:

I remember being one of “The faithful few” in the 70s, but I was never as pissed off with the Rovers as I am now.

I probably stood next to you!

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Just now, tomphil said:

Its been a harrowing ten years for genuine fans that's for sure and at times it's the anger, adrenaline at the injustice of it that fires the passion over the rubbish football.  Right now though its just difficult to bother about we are every the bit the water treader that seems just set up like an old boys club.

As long as the manager is a nice guy he's safe all because what went before and in turn as long as he looks after his mates the whole thing will plod on.  Nobody gets held accountable for anything and the fans are the villians every time there's an air of restlessness.

A plonker on twitter this afternoon told me Walton is a good keeper we are lucky Mowbray got him and the manager himself should have the job for life. And to top it all Brereton is a good investment he'll come good.

Unbelievable mentality the slightest bit of ambition is met with derision, oi leave things as they are we are doomed if it changes. I sometimes wonder what some of these lot are like in real life they seem fans of the manager rather than the club.

That first sentence speaks to my life!

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21 minutes ago, rigger said:

I remember being one of “The faithful few” in the 70s, but I was never as pissed off with the Rovers as I am now.

i grew up in the kendall/saxton era,although there were some lean times it was never boring which is where i am with rovers now,completely bored of the frightened way we approach games,the f*****g false 9 garbage and mowbrays crap tactics,if you mentioned the phrase " are we playing a false no 9" to bobby saxton i think he`d likely put you through the dressing room partition😊

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I still think he should go, and we need to either go for it with a manager like Hughton, or if we're going to try and survive a financial starvation diet, get Mark Robins or take a bit of a punt on Ainsworth. Sticking with Mowbray is not really doing either, just plodding along with no direction, being happy with a slow fade into obscurity.

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Posted (edited)

We had a squad that should have been a middle of the road championship team in 2017. Mowbray has turned it into another middle of the road championship team.

He's not done a bad job because he's got us back to where we actually should have been with our team from when he took over. However he hasn't took us any further forward.

Average. Stability.

How do we move forward?

If we can have a go at spending another £12 million without weakening the existing squad that that will help up move forward. However FFP doesn't allow this without moving on Dack / Lenihan/Travis,  and after last summer I don't really trust Mowbray to bring in the right replacements.

I'm also nervous we could end up with Coyle Mk II and things could go drastically worse.

However, if you don't want fans to drift away you have to have realistic plans to push on further, and at this crossroad that means gambling on a change of manager in my opinion. 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Gav said:

The buck ultimately stops with the manager, but the purchase of BB didn't feel right then and doesn't feel right now. 

Gallagher is a replacement for Graham, that makes sense to me, but BB, I'm not sure whats gone on there...

Nothing I saw in Gallagher's first spell here would lead me to think he could be Danny Graham mk 2.

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4 hours ago, JHRover said:

Mowbray is droning on about wanting to copy the possession based styles of the top clubs and this is apparently our route to the Premier League, although he accepts we don't have the budget to do this and that it could take a long time to deliver.

He's so contradictory. 

He then goes on to always say that we have to setup a team based on the opposition because we aren't strong enough to beat teams staying as a consistent team. 

 

LOL

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27 minutes ago, tomphil said:

Its been a harrowing ten years for genuine fans that's for sure and at times it's the anger, adrenaline at the injustice of it that fires the passion over the rubbish football.  Right now though its just difficult to bother about we are every the bit the water treader that seems just set up like an old boys club.

As long as the manager is a nice guy he's safe all because what went before and in turn as long as he looks after his mates the whole thing will plod on.  Nobody gets held accountable for anything and the fans are the villians every time there's an air of restlessness.

A plonker on twitter this afternoon told me Walton is a good keeper we are lucky Mowbray got him and the manager himself should have the job for life. And to top it all Brereton is a good investment he'll come good.

Unbelievable mentality the slightest bit of ambition is met with derision, oi leave things as they are we are doomed if it changes. I sometimes wonder what some of these lot are like in real life they seem fans of the manager rather than the club.

I'll bet the " plonker " has never kicked a ball in anger in his life. I don't know about Blackburn but in Rochdale where I live the number of blokes playing amateur football has fallen off a cliff in the last twenty years. Most young guys watching now don't play at an organised level.

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10 minutes ago, RoversClitheroe said:

He's so contradictory. 

He then goes on to always say that we have to setup a team based on the opposition because we aren't strong enough to beat teams staying as a consistent team. 

 

LOL

He’s sounding like Steve kean 

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He talks twaddle, it's not Coyles verbal steaming pile of utter nonsense and not the hideous one's outright lies. It is however contradictory twaddle with a hefty dose of speaking to the ownership and arse covering thrown in.

Although he's always overdone playing to the gallery he used to talk quite a bit of sense in between and when he wasn't giving it the old when i was a lad in the backstreets of Boro. Since that bad run the middle of last season though when he began floundering he's disappeared into a world of his own.

We get the odd glimpse of how he really sees it though, he sounds more like a player welfare officer.

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4 hours ago, Gav said:

Everyone talks about this £12m like it should have propelled us to the Premiership had it been spent better.

Part of it was funded by Raya, so it was actually £9m, spent in isolation seasons apart, chump change in the grand scheme of things.

Could it have been spent better, on the face of it absolutely, but its not the reason to sack the manager for me.

Blimey Gav, you can't on the one hand say we need to wee with the willy we've got and then describe 9 million net spend wasted as 'chump change'.

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“Ryan has played a lot of football for us, I’m not sure he’s up to speed, from after lockdown he’s found it difficult, he’s a lad who needs to practice every day on his technique and his ability with the ball.

“I thought Joe Rankin-Costello warranted his place in the team (at left-back) and thought Elliott Bennett brings some character and personality to our team and takes the game-plan on to the pitch.  

“It was a balance of a few things, confidence levels, and the fact he’s played a lot of football, we decided to go with Elliott and Joe.”

 

 

Absolutely deluded. What a load of drivel that is. Cowardice

**late to the party on this quote. But jesus I couldn't believe it when I read it

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9 minutes ago, CambridgeRover said:

“Ryan has played a lot of football for us, I’m not sure he’s up to speed, from after lockdown he’s found it difficult, he’s a lad who needs to practice every day on his technique and his ability with the ball.

“I thought Joe Rankin-Costello warranted his place in the team (at left-back) and thought Elliott Bennett brings some character and personality to our team and takes the game-plan on to the pitch.  

“It was a balance of a few things, confidence levels, and the fact he’s played a lot of football, we decided to go with Elliott and Joe.”

 

 

Absolutely deluded. What a load of drivel that is. Cowardice

**late to the party on this quote. But jesus I couldn't believe it when I read it

this is mowbray parlance that he is giving bennett the right back slot next season😪ryan obviously to adventurous in his maraudings up the wing,i do think he`s going to drive a cracking player out of the club,probably already arranged to sell him

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Just now, simongarnerisgod said:

this is mowbray parlance that he is giving bennett the right back slot next season😪ryan obviously to adventurous in his maraudings up the wing,i do think he`s going to drive a cracking player out of the club,probably already arranged to sell him

I wouldn't be surprise if Rankin Costello start at right back next season. He has played the right wing back role for under 23's so he would be natural fit for that role

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1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

I wouldn't be surprise if Rankin Costello start at right back next season. He has played the right wing back role for under 23's so he would be natural fit for that role

you could be right,another player out of position though,in a tough league that gives no quarters,be perfect fit for tony,a forward looking midfielder playing in defence

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If Rankin Costello is to be around the starting line up ahead of the new season, it should be in his actual position which Mowbray himself said is out wide. We dont have any competent wingers so stick him there tomorrow and Tuesday/Wednesday.

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6 minutes ago, simongarnerisgod said:

you could be right,another player out of position though,in a tough league that gives no quarters,be perfect fit for tony,a forward looking midfielder playing in defence

But it isn't out of position at all. He has played the right back/wing back role quite alot for under 23's 

1 minute ago, roversfan99 said:

If Rankin Costello is to be around the starting line up ahead of the new season, it should be in his actual position which Mowbray himself said is out wide. We dont have any competent wingers so stick him there tomorrow and Tuesday/Wednesday.

Of Course he will be around this team next season. Rankin Costello long term could be attacking right back. 

Mowbray doesn't play with natural wingers and hasn't since he came to the club. 

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10 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

But it isn't out of position at all. He has played the right back/wing back role quite alot for under 23's 

Of Course he will be around this team next season. Rankin Costello long term could be attacking right back. 

Mowbray doesn't play with natural wingers and hasn't since he came to the club. 

I am saying what I think should happen, not providing a prediction of what Mowbray will do. If that is the case, then I would suggest that Bennett is odds on favourite to start the season there. I dont want strikers plodding down the wing.

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9 hours ago, Miller11 said:

A large section of our support are complicit in the dumbing down and ever declining ambition.

Every day you see people claiming we should be ever so grateful to Venky’s because “we could easily become the next Bury/Bolton/Wigan/Sunderland”... Bury?!?! We are Blackburn fucking Rovers, and our own fans are comparing us to Bury!

We could easily have become the next Wolves, Sheffield United, Leicester or Burnley. Why is that considered a pipe dream for Blackburn Rovers? Why is this never mentioned?

We have a CEO, or whatever Waggotts title is, who sees Preston and Brentford as teams we should be aspiring to be like. 

No doubt there will be people who think this view is one of entitlement - not at all. I don’t think we are entitled to be in the Premier League, but I do think the club is entitled to be treated with proper attention and respect. And yes, I came along after the tough times Of the 70’s and 80’s, but so did Jack Walker’s influence and legacy, which has been pissed all over. The current mess we are in is akin to that idiot who pissed and snorted away his entire lottery win and ended up back on the dole.

I’m fairly indifferent to Mowbray, it doesn’t look like he will ever make us into genuine promotion contenders, but he’s just a symptom of Venky’s horrendous reign.

It’s precisely because of Venkys that we could become the next club in dire straits. Thanking them for that seems just a little odd.

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8 minutes ago, Stuart said:

It’s precisely because of Venkys that we could become the next club in dire straits. Thanking them for that seems just a little odd.

Because of Venky's -absolutely! 

I have spent some time being irritated by /trying to get my head around this determination to re-define the architects of our decline, as our actual saviours.

I really am beginning to think that it is a similar kind of psychological defence mechanism to the one, where victims deny and reframe the reality of their own abuse etc

I just stop short giving our own fans any blame for what has been done to our club.

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4 minutes ago, Leonard Venkhater said:

Because of Venky's -absolutely! 

I have spent some time being irritated by /trying to get my head around this determination to re-define the architects of our decline, as our actual saviours.

I really am beginning to think that it is a similar kind of psychological defence mechanism to the one, where victims deny and reframe the reality of their own abuse etc

I just stop short giving our own fans any blame for what has been done to our club.

It’s Stockholm Syndrome is what it is.

And very short memories.

And apathy.

”It’s only a game, eh?”

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10 hours ago, Miller11 said:

A large section of our support are complicit in the dumbing down and ever declining ambition.

Every day you see people claiming we should be ever so grateful to Venky’s because “we could easily become the next Bury/Bolton/Wigan/Sunderland”... Bury?!?! We are Blackburn fucking Rovers, and our own fans are comparing us to Bury!

We could easily have become the next Wolves, Sheffield United, Leicester or Burnley. Why is that considered a pipe dream for Blackburn Rovers? Why is this never mentioned?

We have a CEO, or whatever Waggotts title is, who sees Preston and Brentford as teams we should be aspiring to be like. 

No doubt there will be people who think this view is one of entitlement - not at all. I don’t think we are entitled to be in the Premier League, but I do think the club is entitled to be treated with proper attention and respect. And yes, I came along after the tough times Of the 70’s and 80’s, but so did Jack Walker’s influence and legacy, which has been pissed all over. The current mess we are in is akin to that idiot who pissed and snorted away his entire lottery win and ended up back on the dole.

I’m fairly indifferent to Mowbray, it doesn’t look like he will ever make us into genuine promotion contenders, but he’s just a symptom of Venky’s horrendous reign.

Excellent post.

Sadly, I think the chickens are about to come home to roost.

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