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A few points or place either way is neither progression or regression it just is what it is midtable mediocrity and can only be glossed over as stability at best. 

Zero signs of actual progress on the field lets have one player of our own whose shown that  ?  A few have more mins and experience and there's been a few had purple patches countered by being poor so overall just the same.

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2 hours ago, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

Hull (twice), Reading (twice), Sheff W (twice), Bristol City (twice), Barnsley, Millwall, Brentford, Derby, Stoke, Boro, QPR, Charlton, Cardiff. 

The teams Tony has beaten this season. Not at lot of stand-out results. 

We can give teams a game if they let us play football, as long as they aren't too good at it. We can't give teams a game who come for a dogfight as witnessed last night and on many other occasions. You have to be able to fight for the right to play football and obviously we can't. Nowhere near enough bastards in his signings and too many he sees as son in law material.

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1 hour ago, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

https://www.lancs.live/sport/football/football-news/blackburn-rovers-mowbray-budget-transfers-18646217

"Apart from that, we're a very proud football club and we will strive to get to the top six next year. We believe we can, and yet you never how strong the relegated Premier League sides are going to be. We have to keep building and looking after ourselves and strive to make the top six as soon as we can."

Not the words of a man who thinks he's under pressure. 

Not in any hurry is he?

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6 minutes ago, 47er said:

Not in any hurry is he?

Back to papping on about the historic club blah blah this playing to the gallery has been done to death now it's becoming a bit annoying. We know exactly who and what we are but i'm sure he'd spout the same if he was managing MK Dons !

They are liked pre programmed timed tweets on twitter set for a certain time or situation but you know exactly what's coming and when.

As for the top 6 well they had the best opportunity for years not long ago yet he chose that exact moment to not push for it but to plod on with his experiment to sit back and keep the ball.

Accept some ####### responsibility man !

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70 points was his target, which he missed. 
This total would have made the playoffs to boot.

Will he be held accountable for this? No.

 

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The recruitment is bad but perhaps we focus on how the 12m could have been spent elsewhere in terms of progress, in terms of how it could push us on, that few extra goals.

Theres a knock on effect though, in terms of solely spending that money in one area. Potentially the second time to try and fix the mistake of the first one. Many believe in the conspiracies regarding Venkys allowing Mowbray only to sign strikers, I am not sure about that, and even so, why promise reinforcements, why force out the keeper, why last year was a central midfielder Plan B when Bauer didnt come? (who came top this season in headed clearances I think)

So how has he tried to fix it over 2 summers? By signing Brereton, and putting Bauer top of the list in terms of getting a cheap fix for our centre back problems, then telling him basically that we would struggle to dislodge the mighty Charlie Mulgrew. He then felt it appropriate to resort to plan B, a midfielder! On a one year deal. Surpisingly Rodwell didnt fix that hole.

His budget the next summer was slightly reduced, so he has to get a centre back on loan. And a fairly handy one too. So then what does he do. He sells the goalkeeper we own, gets an inferior one on loan, in order to buy another striker to misuse. 2 summers in, and the defence/keepers we own is in a worse state than when we came up. Not acceptable and not (ironically) defendable.

Mowbray not for the first time publically comes out and slags off his defence, yes the defence is incapable. But look at the above.

Total passing of the buck. The set of defenders 3.5 years into his reign that we have are clearly not capable of dealing with the defensive side of things. Its been neglected. It wont change without external help. Seemingly that would need to be a manager as well as players. Neither will come anytime soon.

 

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Mowbray moaning on saying the players are inconsistent 1 week they are a 8/10 the next they are a 2/10 yet he picks the same players week in week out uses the same subs. Change it up there is plenty of younger players that would grasp the chance but nope Mowbray picks washed up over paid 30+ age players have no legs and no desire they coming to the end of there careers and just taking the money. There’s only 1 person to blame and it’s Mowbray himself. He needs to take responsibility instead of passing the book to the players. They all playing and doing what he trains them too do and it isn’t good enough!!

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One of this seasons failings has been results against the bottom six excluding Wigan in this assessment. This season it stands at w4 d2 l6. Looking back at last season 2018-19 it was w6 d3 l3. So results this season have gone backwards there is no progress at all against the bottom six. If we had replicated the results against the bottom six those extra seven points would have had us knocking on the door in sixth place!

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Just now, Rogerb said:

One of this seasons failings has been results against the bottom six excluding Wigan in this assessment. This season it stands at w4 d2 l6. Looking back at last season 2018-19 it was w6 d3 l3. So results this season have gone backwards there is no progress at all against the bottom six. If we had replicated the results against the bottom six those extra seven points would have had us knocking on the door in sixth place!

We can't play against teams who put a foot in and give us the " hurry up ".

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1 minute ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

We can't play against teams who put a foot in and give us the " hurry up ".

Yet last seasons results suggest we could but Tony has now changed the philosophy to tippy tappy allegedly

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44 minutes ago, Rogerb said:

Yet last seasons results suggest we could but Tony has now changed the philosophy to tippy tappy allegedly

It’s not good football though if it’s tippy tally in your own half and sideways. It’s like Paul Inces triangles equally pointless and woefully boring and painful to watch. 

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12 hours ago, JHRover said:

Anyone observing Mowbray's body language tonight would see that as a man who had at best a passing interest in the game, perhaps a pre season friendly attitude, and certainly not a man desperate for a win. Contrast to that cretin Jones who spent the entire evening like a rabid dog on the touchline, whereas Mowbray was slouched over the advertising boards and benches like he was on his holidays. Did he even stand up? Was Venus even there?
The most exciting point of the evening was David Lowe's skirmish with Jones at the full time whistle. At last someone showing some passion and anger.

Sadly it just isn't good enough.

 

Saw a tweet from you last night, sure it said that you thought Waggott and Mowbray would be off? (unless I read it wrong, was late).

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43 minutes ago, Rogerb said:

Yet last seasons results suggest we could but Tony has now changed the philosophy to tippy tappy allegedly

Last season we had the dire Ipswich and Bolton teams in the division, nobody's been that bad this season (apart from Hull in the last few months) - that might explain it.

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21 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

Saw a tweet from you last night, sure it said that you thought Waggott and Mowbray would be off? (unless I read it wrong, was late).

Yes, going off his demeanour and body language wouldn't surprise me. I think when Mowbray does decide to depart then Waggott will follow very shortly afterwards. His power base will be gone.

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The only possibility of that I foresee is if the owners massively cut his budget.

There’s no doubt his stint here has improved his reputation in the game as it was on the floor when he arrived. 

So jump ship whilst his stock is high and become one of those managers always linked to the conveyor belt of Championship management jobs.
 

Edited by Mattyblue

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This time last year Mowbray was talking about changing to a possession based game and (I honestly don't know) I would hazard a guess and say that the possession numbers are higher but in every game were we have had more of the ball we haven't hurt the opponents. As demonstrated last night we are so easy to play against. I personally think it was a case of Mowbray talking again without thinking. How many of our players are able to play an incisive passing game? Very few in my book. After three years we have no identity in terms of how we play and if Mowbray wants to address this he needs to sign players who can play that way and play the right tactical game. I am really fearful of our chances next season under Mowbray but after a decade of mismanagement throughout the club I shouldn't be.

Another fundamental issue has been the dropping of 28 points from winning positions which just shouldn't happen. I believe the root cause of this has been a lack of real leaders, another area where Mowbray has been negligent.

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31 minutes ago, frosty said:

Last season we had the dire Ipswich and Bolton teams in the division, nobody's been that bad this season (apart from Hull in the last few months) - that might explain it.

Still managed to lose to Ipswich though

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4 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Sorry, I won't let up on the issue of the manager until he's gone or improves beyond all recognition as I think he's taking the owners and supporters for complete mugs as evidenced by his body language and demeanour last night.

There's no hope until he goes imo.

Ya fair enough, but it's pointless in this echo chamber. 

Correct me if I am wrong, but going off what some of you who live locally say, it's not the unanimous consensus? 

I'm not even sure I do want him to go. I would picture it playing out something like this

July 31st- sacked

August 10th- Players who to be fair are loyal to him(as much as that is possible these days) like Armstrong and Dack say they want to leave. Still no new manager or signings

August 20th-  They both leave, with possibly a couple more. Still no manager or signings

August 29th- Damien Johnson is caretaker for season opener. Still no full time manager or signings

Mid September- Results are going badly, Johnson resigns to focus on coaching Norther Ireland. Still no manager or signings

October 1st- We appoint someone ridiculous and sign some free or cheap shit just before the window closes

December 1st- We are firmly in the relegation places 

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4 hours ago, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

https://www.lancs.live/sport/football/football-news/blackburn-rovers-mowbray-budget-transfers-18646217

"Apart from that, we're a very proud football club and we will strive to get to the top six next year. We believe we can, and yet you never how strong the relegated Premier League sides are going to be. We have to keep building and looking after ourselves and strive to make the top six as soon as we can."

Not the words of a man who thinks he's under pressure. 

Cos he isn't. How many more "1 more seasons" can he be here for. Surely next year has to be the year we do it under him or there is a parting of ways? 

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1 hour ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

We can't play against teams who put a foot in and give us the " hurry up ".

Inertia on the pitch.

Inertia off the pitch.

That's where we are.

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5 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Ya fair enough, but it's pointless in this echo chamber. 

Correct me if I am wrong, but going off what some of you who live locally say, it's not the unanimous consensus? 

I'm not even sure I do want him to go. I would picture it playing out something like this

July 31st- sacked

August 10th- Players who to be fair are loyal to him(as much as that is possible these days) like Armstrong and Dack say they want to leave. Still no new manager or signings

August 20th-  They both leave, with possibly a couple more. Still no manager or signings

August 29th- Damien Johnson is caretaker for season opener. Still no full time manager or signings

Mid September- Results are going badly, Johnson resigns to focus on coaching Norther Ireland. Still no manager or signings

October 1st- We appoint someone ridiculous and sign some free or cheap shit just before the window closes

December 1st- We are firmly in the relegation places 

Or Mowbray leaves, new man appointed, players respond, we are in promotion contention. This is just as hypothetical as your scenario 

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On 19/07/2020 at 17:34, jim mk2 said:

Hands up who'd kick out Mowbray and bring in Pearson?

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9 hands in the picture, 9 likes for the post; that's uncanny!!

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26 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Cos he isn't. How many more "1 more seasons" can he be here for. Surely next year has to be the year we do it under him or there is a parting of ways? 

I dont think there has ever really been a "one more season" scenario. League One season we went up,  last season was about consolidation,  this one was about progress.  I would say next season should be his first "one more season" as very little progress has been made this year 

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268 pages virtually all missing the point that not once has Venkys changed manager for football reasons. Not once have they shown any concern for fans feelings or gates, and not once have they approached a close season with a plan, let alone lists of potential managers.

I get confused by equally strongly-held opinions that the squad was good enough to get in the playoffs yet it’s a relegation battle for sure in seven weeks time. But that’s what most predicted this time last year.

The only real pluses from this season were replacing 3/4 of the Mulgrew/Graham/Dack goals from the previous year, which most including me would have regarded as fantasy, the development of Travis into a dirty bastard, and the fact we can’t possibly sign a goalie as bad as Walton. Midtable beckons again and those in Pune will continue to give no shits.

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