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1 minute ago, The Hypnotic said:

I was referring to Gav’s quoted post where he said people were having a good laugh about his account being hacked. 

Yes but that wasn't on here. Your post is all about this MB and you conclude its reached a "new low".

Not true is it?

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31 minutes ago, The Hypnotic said:

I was referring to Gav’s quoted post where he said people were having a good laugh about his account being hacked. 

 

28 minutes ago, 47er said:

Yes but that wasn't on here. Your post is all about this MB and you conclude its reached a "new low".

Not true is it?

Gents, just to confirm.

I saw 2/3 posters on this site last night, laughing at the hack on chaddys twitter page that referred to a Tyrhys Dolan song and death of one of chaddys mates.

The mods took down those despicable posts and I’m sure are now looking into the hack on his account on here.

They know who the 3 stooges are, the timing of the piss take seemed very convenient.

The culprits are cowards, bedroom dwelling no marks.

Hope that clears up the confusion. 
 

 

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3 minutes ago, Gav said:

 

Gents, just to confirm.

I saw 2/3 posters on this site last night, laughing at the hack on chaddys twitter page that referred to a Tyrhys Dolan song and death of one of chaddys mates.

The mods took down those despicable posts and I’m sure are now looking into the hack on his account on here.

They know who the 3 stooges are, the timing of the piss take seemed very convenient.

Cowards.

Hope that clears up the confusion. 
 

 

Well it does and I apologise for my mistake. As the posts had been take down I didn't know they existed. 

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48 minutes ago, Parsonblue said:

The family in India will make the appointment and you actually think they will pluck some rising star from Europe or further afield?  The appointment will come from whichever agent is in favour at that particular time.  The owners won't have a clue if that appointment is an improvement on the present manager or not.

Where’s Judan Ali these days??🙈🙈

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12 minutes ago, 47er said:

Well it does and I apologise for my mistake. As the posts had been take down I didn't know they existed. 

You wouldn’t have know 47er, it was all cleared up rather rapidly by our superb mod team.

I’ve seen his account on here hacked in the exact same way previously, hopefully the mods will pounce.

I don’t agree with chaddy on most things, but one thing we all have in common is the reason we are here right now - Blackburn Rovers - His passion for the club shines through and I for one hope to see him posting back on here as soon as possible. 

Edited by Gav

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7 hours ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

Who do you think is at the club who can/will identify the "better" manager ?

I'd promote Damian Johnson to boss.

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24 minutes ago, philipl said:

I'd promote Damian Johnson to boss.

We are the England of the Championship - flat track bullies who go missing when the big guys turn up.

Let's adopt the England manager appointment approach, swing from one extreme to another.

Joey Barton, anyone?

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9 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

When he was appointed I think everyone's original reaction was "How was he even on the radar?"

I'd say he's done better than people originally expected but imo  it's been blindingly obvious for coming up to two years he isn't the man to take us any further. To try and make out we couldn't do better is nonsense.

Fully agree. His methods are not cut out for the Championship and his refusal to address the on-going issues in defence is a big factor. His rotation policy and favouritism for certain players doesn’t help either.

We have been very fortunate to have played the three de facto bottom teams in our opening fixtures or things would look very grim indeed. Even Forest who we nearly took a point from are “fourth bottom”.

When a manager has so much autonomy he needs to do a few things: first, have a clear ethos and direction, second, set high standards and be ruthless in cutting player from the team, third, a regular freshening up of the back room team when methods stop delivering.

On the face of it we don’t have clear direction, we have “progress”. As long as there appears to be progress then that’ll do. We don’t have high standards - anywhere in this organisation - if you say the right things and try hard you will be persevered with. If you have ambitions and standards of your own you will be seen as a threat. Our back room team has stagnated, with only the addition of Damien Johnson as the tech guy to measure how badly we are doing.

Mowbray needs a CEO on his case, questioning the recruitment failures, the rotation policy, demanding answers, pushing a time frame for improvement, even looking at alternative managers who could come in. We have a dwindling fanbase and a hole in the finances to worry about. Does anyone think Waggott is doing that? All I can see is the fans being blamed for not simply accepting all this and paying their money. Mind you, if we did have any of the above then he would have been gone by now.

Mowbray is the wrong guy to have this much power over the club. His nice guy jumpers-for-goalposts ethos isn’t enough. An injury to Armstrong and we are in trouble. How, after all these windows and all these attackers can we still be so reliant on one player?

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10 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

I think that's rubbish. Basically if we were looking for another manager to replace Mowbray all we'd have to do to surpass the appointment on paper  would be to appoint a manager who wasn't on the managerial scrapheap having walked out of a job with a League One Club before he was pushed!

Can you please explain to me who on the below list gives you faith that Venkys will appoint a better manager than Mowbray?

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16 minutes ago, CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber said:

Can you please explain to me who on the below list gives you faith that Venkys will appoint a better manager than Mowbray?

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Can throw that argument in the bin, despise it, stick with good old Tony due to fear of what we would get after. Refuse to be ruled by fear.

pearson or promote Johnson for me, sadly I can’t see it , mowbray would need to walk

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The club wouldn’t appoint such clowns again as we’ve had ‘optimum owners since 2017’, haven’t we? :rock:

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4 minutes ago, Bbrovers2288 said:

Can throw that argument in the bin, despise it, stick with good old Tony due to fear of what we would get after. Refuse to be ruled by fear.

pearson or promote Johnson for me, sadly I can’t see it , mowbray would need to walk

Pearson!? Again I will point you to the list. What makes you think Venkys, or whichever agent they turn to for advice on the appointment, would go for someone of the calibre of Pearson? Johnson would be far more likely and that's a massive gamble. 

I'm as fed up as anyone with Mowbray, we're not getting promoted with him as manager, but that doesn't mean I can ignore the utter calamity of the last 10 yrs under Venkys.

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Mowbray will be going at some point. If he isn't sacked he will resign or retire.

Even if we offer him a lifetime contract he won't work forever.

What are we supposed to do? Never even think about appointing anyone else because they might get someone worse?

What happens if another club comes in and approaches Mowbray to go and join them?

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Pearson would probably be a good shout but Venky's will want to do it on the cheap so it's probably a non-starter. 

Mowbray is about the best they've come up with so far,  and he can point to a fairly decent record at Rovers if we're being fair. He's got us promoted at the first time of asking, improved our league position year-on-year and increased the value in the squad by a huge amount and brought in some very good players. The football is good to watch now too. 

On the debit side, BB and SG will always be a waste of £12m and he just can't seem to organise a defence or create a system that stops us leaking goals. 

The bottom line is though that we need promotion and I think most people see that as very unlikely under Mowbray, mainly because of the defensive issues. 

Given that Venky's will just go for the cheapest option again I think it would be a huge gamble to sack hi unless we are down near the bottom. 

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12 minutes ago, JHRover said:

Mowbray will be going at some point. If he isn't sacked he will resign or retire.

Even if we offer him a lifetime contract he won't work forever.

What are we supposed to do? Never even think about appointing anyone else because they might get someone worse?

What happens if another club comes in and approaches Mowbray to go and join them?

Who is "we"? We the fans can think about appointing someone else for sure, I'd absolutely love if we unearthed some unknown gem like Reading have (albeit only 8 games in). 

"We" being Venkys? I can guarantee they are thinking absolutely fuck all about Blackburn Rovers currently, in their mind the ship is safe under a lovely man whose wife bakes a great cake. 

And if another club approaches Mowbray and he goes and join's them I will firstly pay you £100 (take that as an official bet). Madame on the other hand will be irritated that one of her under-performing outposts have the temerity to contact her, and then employ some clown to ask a filthy agent to recommend replacements. 

It genuinely blows my mind that anyone can think that we would go through the process of  appointing the best available Manager for Rovers if Mowbray were to go, with our current owners in place. 

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10 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Possibly the same person who identified Mowbray who you seem perfectly happy with? 

I assume that was Paul Senior who is no longer at the club.

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3 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

I assume that was Paul Senior who is no longer at the club.

Is he on the books of HSH ?

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4 minutes ago, CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber said:

It genuinely blows my mind that anyone can think that we would go through the process of  appointing the best available Manager for Rovers if Mowbray were to go, with our current owners in place. 

And that's the elephant in the room. I'd take half the managers in the Championship over Mowbray but Venky's wouldn't. They'd take a bloke that's on the dole due to being utter shite in his last few jobs.

Coyle > Warnock in their world. 

Edited by Hoochie Bloochie Mama

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1 hour ago, CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber said:

Can you please explain to me who on the below list gives you faith that Venkys will appoint a better manager than Mowbray?

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I’ll attempt a response.

We keep being told that Venkys are different now than they were then but as soon as a change in manager is talked about it’s back to “...but Venkys!”.

The very fact they have given Mowbray nearly four years should suggest that they are taking different advice from the stupidity of six managers in three years.

People don’t want to hear it but Paul Lambert and his team were an excellent signing. With no money he brought in key players that we relied on for an awful long time afterwards. He should have been allowed to reinvest the Rhodes money.

We cannot keep having the same debate time and time again every time the realisation hits home that Mowbray can’t take us to the next level that “we won’t get anyone better”.

If Venkys were to replace Mowbray with another Owen Coyle then this current regime is a complete facade anyway. With BCD continuing indefinitely that would be the switching off point for even more fans.

At some point we need to make the change. The worry is that this will happen too late - and of course the next manager will get the blame.

We used to be a club who were perennial play-off chasers not satisfied with midtable and another season. That is what Venkys have done to us - gratitude for mediocrity. They get away with it because fans don’t demand more.

The second division record books show Mowbray as a poor man’s Bobby Saxton. We need a Don Mackay, and a change from a middling team to genuine challengers.

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44 minutes ago, Stuart said:

We keep being told that Venkys are different now than they were then but as soon as a change in manager is talked about it’s back to “...but Venkys!”.

Their MO is 'unemployed and cheap' when choosing a manager. Nothing to suggest that will change next time, and given the pandemic plenty to suggest they'll just do the same again. 

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Just now, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

Their MO is 'unemployed and cheap' when choosing a manager. Nothing to suggest that will change next time, and given the pandemic plenty to suggest they'll just do the same again. 

I’m not convinced that Lambert, Irvine and Kelly were cheap.

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Think this is Mowbray getting his excuses in already!

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/18829099.rovers-boss-left-frustrated-early-season-unavailability/

All teams are in the same boat with injuries and coronavirus - it's par for the course.

Also, it was Mowbray's actions, or inaction more likely, in the window which resulted in either 3 or 4 signings on the last day of the window.  For all the so called planning and different lists, to get to the last day of the window to make what's perceived as crucial signings is a nonsense.  There was nothing to stop him wheeling and dealing in the 'close season', just as countless other Rovers' managers have had to do.  One poster claimed it was Lenihan for whom we turned down a £10million bid - if that's correct, it's worse, IMO, than paying £5million for Gallagher!

Just feckin sick of, IMO, excuse after excuse and trite soundbite after trite soundbite.  IMO, the day Mowbray leaves Ewood (and i will open a bottle of my finest red in celebration) will be a day perhaps when a replacement brings hunger, dynamism, positivity and innovation to the club. 

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Appointing managers on the so called cheap is a nonsense when you were in then for some £130million+ which has now risen to almost £200million+.

Would you allow KwikFit or ATS to service your Bentley or the local school art teacher to restore your newly discovered Rembrandt!?

Pay peanuts and get monkeys.

The three key appointments for any football club, IMO, are the football manager, the chief scout and the CEO.  IMO, our three are 3rd rate.

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Just now, Mercer said:

Appointing managers on the so called cheap is a nonsense when you were in then for some £130million+ which has now risen to almost £200million+.

Yep, getting a manager on the cheap and then giving him £12m to spend on two 'wide forwards' is lunacy. Spend £12m on the contract of the best manager available...like Leeds did with Bielsa. 

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