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He's way too cautious. As others have said, starting Trybull and Johnson in central midfield does not give us the opportunity to quickly release our forwards.

Always over-thinks it, always over-rates the opposition.

Let's play to our strengths rather than our opponents.

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Always going to be ‘what ifs’ with Mowbray in charge I’m afraid. Right now the focus is on Dack and Travis. In the new year it’ll be something else. I’d wager we’ll coninue plodding along exactly where we are right now under Mowbray. No huge danger of doing down but we won’t lay a glove on challenging for the top 6.

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1 hour ago, 47er said:

He's way too cautious. As others have said, starting Trybull and Johnson in central midfield does not give us the opportunity to quickly release our forwards.

Always over-thinks it, always over-rates the opposition.

Let's play to our strengths rather than our opponents.

What gets me about it all is inspite of our over cautious approach, playing two defensive midfield players most of the time etc, we've never looked remotely like sound defensively. I was just reading in todays paper that the penalty Middleboro conceded yesterday was the first goal they'd conceded in 452 minutes of play. Obviously they are building from the back, we've never attempted to do that.

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1 hour ago, 47er said:

He's way too cautious. As others have said, starting Trybull and Johnson in central midfield does not give us the opportunity to quickly release our forwards.

Always over-thinks it, always over-rates the opposition.

Let's play to our strengths rather than our opponents.

That's one of the regular patterns when we sit off too long we struggle to get anything going attack wise and then predictably at some point we concede a poor one. Lenihen has taken over from Mulgrew as being the chief culprit of that, then we have to get back into and when we do we rarely take games late on. Usually after the standard subs and juggling about leave even less balance on the pitch.

When we go at teams early and press using a higher tempo if we get in front we go on and wallop them. Don't understand why that can't be in evidence at places like Luton away. Are we really just flat track bullies or is there more to it. like as you've said too much fearing certain opponents and too much over cooking the team instead of the emphasis being on encouraging them to do what they are good at ?

 

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So how long does he get?

Should he be allowed to ruin yet another season or should someone else be given the chance to try and salvage something out of it?

If the latter we need to be making the change in no more than four or five games time imo.

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Happy Birthday, Tony.   57 today!  Just saying.......

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Top 6 before his 60th ?

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1 hour ago, RevidgeBlue said:

So how long does he get?

Should he be allowed to ruin yet another season or should someone else be given the chance to try and salvage something out of it?

If the latter we need to be making the change in no more than four or five games time imo.

I reckon he'll leave halfway through next season and he'll jack it in rather than get fired. We'll finish 10th-14th this season and he'll use Covid and the Travis/Dack unavailability to conveniently blame.

We'll then lose Dack and/or Armstrong in the summer and be battling relegation when he finally falls on his sword in Jan '21, with the profits made on Dack and Armstrong to service our monstrous debt the only thing to shout about as 'progress' in his 5 yr tenure  

Fuck you Venkys. 

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He’ll go when he’s had enough on his own terms. Remember that and it will save you all a lot of pointless angst.

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Spot on JH. Excellent post.

I only hope someone that matters in Pune is reading it and beginning to see through this "slow build" jam tomorrow nonsense.

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We've made jokes about Mowbray and his pension fund but there must be a serious side and an element of truth to it ......he will have added a good seven figure sum to his already likely substantial pot while he's been at Ewood. I'm sure his pension adviser will have worked out  that if he can eke out another 18 months he will be able to enjoy a very lucrative and comfortable retirement indeed.   

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1 hour ago, Mattyblue said:

He’ll go when he’s had enough on his own terms. Remember that and it will save you all a lot of pointless angst.

I'm under no delusion whatsoever that this will actually happen with Swag in charge, unless the owners decide to take a closer look at what's going on and cease to be taken in by the 'we're bang on course" routine.

However whilst I don't think it will happen, the day you don't think a manager who isn't up to scratch SHOULD leave is the day you should give it up as a bad job!

I'm really fed up now, normally I can't stand international breaks but I took a complete two week break from Rovers news, didn't miss worrying about Moggasaurus in the slightest, and returned to it full of idle curiosity wondering if a two week break would have healed some limbs and recharged our batteries.

Sadly not it seems. In that two week period I'd almost forgotten how bad in general we are under Mowbray.

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Great posts from JH and revidge.

Yes the ref robbed us blind at Luton but we were never set up right for collecting 3 points and in this game Mowbray had the luxury of up to 5 subs to shake it up.

He had no plan B when we have been in that sort of situation against robust dangerous but frankly limited opposition and totally failed to change approach or energy level.

That observation is probably true of 30% of our games in the Championship under Mowbray.

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He's a good solid manager nothing more nothing less but there are vital ingredients still missing. In truth promotion (and relegation) aside he's not really done anything the inexperienced Gary Bowyer didn't do.  Apart from fill up the infracstructure with his mates,spend millions on single players and increas running costs again of course.

Squad is similar strength wise arguably apart from a Rhodes, style is still bland and over cautious most of the time still. We  have the tools to be challenging towards the top 6 but still look a million miles away. So not much has changed from 5 years ago really but of course we have to consider the intervening years.

TM has had to build it back to that after taking over a mess although we probably arrived at that point over a year ago. Which brings me to what is really the remit here and why does he never seen under any urgency to push it on at all ?

He could well have a job for life here.

 

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21 hours ago, tomphil said:

Are we really just flat track bullies

Wins this season:

Wycombe, Coventry, Derby and QPR--- suggests that's exactly what we are!

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Thing is I don't believe Mowbray is over cautious. He's in-balanced. I wouldn't have a problem with an over cautious approach if we were keeping clean sheets and grinding out wins. Someone else pointed out Boro under Warnock.

Mowbray has full backs absolutely bombing forwards, even when they aren't offering a huge amount in terms of goals scored. Then unless he has the trio of Holtby, Johnson and Rothwell all on song in the middle the midfield gets stuck with too many players who pass sideways, but still don't offer that overall discipline that will protect the defence. So it's neither here nor there really. An attacking philosophy not adapted when we don't have the right players available. The only tactical tweaks i've seen Mowbray make at all this season is JRC in for Nyambe as he can cross a ball better. Apart from this is just been players with different skill sets slotting into the same roles. 

When we've got everyone available it has kinda clicked. The rest of the time we've been passing the ball around a lot. Looking a bit cautious in midfield. A long diagonal into our fullbacks and the entire defensive set up is bypassed. 

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Just now, ben_the_beast said:

 if we were keeping clean sheets and grinding out wins. Someone else pointed out Boro under Warnock.

Warnock has achieved a solid defence almost immediately,  mowbray hasnt in 4 years.  

He's either taking the piss or doesn't know how...either way he should just go.

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9 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

I'm under no delusion whatsoever that this will actually happen with Swag in charge, unless the owners decide to take a closer look at what's going on and cease to be taken in by the 'we're bang on course" routine.

However whilst I don't think it will happen, the day you don't think a manager who isn't up to scratch SHOULD leave is the day you should give it up as a bad job!

I'm really fed up now, normally I can't stand international breaks but I took a complete two week break from Rovers news, didn't miss worrying about Moggasaurus in the slightest, and returned to it full of idle curiosity wondering if a two week break would have healed some limbs and recharged our batteries.

Sadly not it seems. In that two week period I'd almost forgotten how bad in general we are under Mowbray.

I look forward to international breaks now. At least Rovers can't ruin your weekend when they're not playing  !

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1 hour ago, ben_the_beast said:

Thing is I don't believe Mowbray is over cautious. He's in-balanced. I wouldn't have a problem with an over cautious approach if we were keeping clean sheets and grinding out wins. Someone else pointed out Boro under Warnock.

Mowbray has full backs absolutely bombing forwards, even when they aren't offering a huge amount in terms of goals scored. Then unless he has the trio of Holtby, Johnson and Rothwell all on song in the middle the midfield gets stuck with too many players who pass sideways, but still don't offer that overall discipline that will protect the defence. So it's neither here nor there really. An attacking philosophy not adapted when we don't have the right players available. The only tactical tweaks i've seen Mowbray make at all this season is JRC in for Nyambe as he can cross a ball better. Apart from this is just been players with different skill sets slotting into the same roles. 

When we've got everyone available it has kinda clicked. The rest of the time we've been passing the ball around a lot. Looking a bit cautious in midfield. A long diagonal into our fullbacks and the entire defensive set up is bypassed. 

It's not the vibrant front foot pressing style he began talking up in summer though we are straight back to sit back and possession based stuff.

Obviously availability might affect that and it is a difficult tactic to employ every game twice a week but some teams manage it, Only really Travis missing affects it in midfield because in the others he's collected don't have that intensity. He's always expected his full backs to do the work and try and provide the quality yet never really recruited for that purpose.

So in essence to me he is over cautious 80% of the time because add into that he alters for the opposition as well. He's gone to Luton and decided not to go after them.

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2 hours ago, ben_the_beast said:

A long diagonal into our fullbacks and the entire defensive set up is bypassed. 

This is a great point.

There is very little concern shown on here for our full back area yet every single team we play looks to exploit this area and the majority get joy there.

A personnel or tactical issue?

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Just now, LDRover said:

There is very little concern shown on here for our full back area

Not a lot we can do mate, but I've mentioned a few times we are exposed down our flanks. That's the 'beauty' of 4-3-3, very little cover for our FB's (who bomb on anyway). The thinking presumably is that out attacking threat will compensate for our openness at the back. However, apart from the few teams we've hammered we are toothless up front.

6 goals in 8 games against everyone that isn't Cov, Wyc, QPR and Derby. Pretty shite really. 

 

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