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Just now, J*B said:

Rhodes had scored 1 Championship goal when we signed him. Gestede was playing in Cardiff’s reserves. It’s not illogical to think that Brereton - who had scored a few for Forest and had brilliant ‘scouting’ reviews and Gallagher who had already been successful for us would score a fair amount of goals. 

It's a humungous punt RHodes cost money but had a great scoring pedigree, Rudy Gestede was a 6'4" out and out target man that was a punt for a few hundred grand.

Incomparable really, What happened to the Brereton is one for the future there's no rush guff if they now say they expected him to hit the ground running ?

It's bull at worst mate or very very silly recruitment at best.

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Just now, tomphil said:

It's a humungous punt RHodes cost money but had a great scoring pedigree, Rudy Gestede was a 6'4" out and out target man that was a punt for a few hundred grand.

Incomparable really, What happened to the Brereton is one for the future there's no rush guff if they now say they expected him to hit the ground running ?

It's bull at worst mate or very very silly recruitment at best.

It’s terrible recruitment. They’ve not spent 7m on him for no reason. They thought he had everything and was good value. 

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@J*B. thanks for the points you have made regarding FFP and you made some good points about signings and being top 6. 

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24 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

To say we "would" have been is a huge logic leap. Both Dack and Lenihan have played in 22 of 28 games and we have not once been in the top 6. 

If Gallagher had scored the goals he did before here and Brereton carry on the performances he had at Forest. Plus Lenihan and Cunningham been fit all season it would have helped..

Still feel we can get top 6 even now. Keep Armstrong, Adarabioyo and Lenihan fit I dont think we be far away

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25 minutes ago, J*B said:

We’ve been very close though at points. They hoped Brereton and Gallagher would be scoring Rhodes and Gestede amounts of goals - if we had that sort of firepower on top of being close, we would have been top 6. 
 

The striker signings haven’t worked - yet - and we’ve been unlucky with injuries. That’s the reality. 

There was absolutely no logic to expect them 2 strikers with their respective ability and records to even come close to scoring goals with that level of consistency. To have a 40 goal strikeforce is incredibly difficult to get though, especially with 12m, a decent amount of money but not to afford a striker with a record of scoring that amount of goals, fee or wages, for example Dwight Gayle. I understand that Gestede was an unexpected gem but Rhodes had scored 36 goals in League 1 the year before. You say Gallagher was successful, he was average and thats the best hes ever been. And Brereton couldnt make the Forest bench.

The Cunningham injury was a certain blow but Dack and of course Evans have only just got injured, and Lenihan has only missed 6 games. Even up until now, we have been at best a couple of results away, and at worst deep in the bottom half, with the injured players being fit. Neither our attack nor our defence is top 6 quality do even if you add one of sufficient quality the other would let us down.

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5 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

If Gallagher had scored the goals he did before here and Brereton carry on the performances he had at Forest. Plus Lenihan and Cunningham been fit all season it would have helped..

Still feel we can get top 6 even now. Keep Armstrong, Adarabioyo and Lenihan fit I dont think we be far away

Lenihan has missed 6 games, Cunningham was a blow I will concede. Gallagher was scoring goals at a (career best) 1 in 4 ratio and Brereton was performing at a level that had seen him drop out of the Forest matchday squad.

Id love you to be right on that but I dont see any chance.

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7 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Lenihan has missed 6 games, Cunningham was a blow I will concede. Gallagher was scoring goals at a (career best) 1 in 4 ratio and Brereton was performing at a level that had seen him drop out of the Forest matchday squad.

Id love you to be right on that but I dont see any chance.

Of those 6 games Lenihan has missed we have lost 4 games, draw 1 and won 1. 

As I keep telling you I think Gallagher will score goals if we create chances for him. And I told you before there is a player in him. 

Brereton was performing when Warburton was manager there. 

I know you dont. 

Edited by chaddyrovers

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1 hour ago, darrenrover said:

I think Billy Sharp would be a great signing if Danny Graham is finished and moved off the payroll. I'm guessing that's unlikely to happen.

Where Mowbray has been extremely negligent, is extending contracts to those that were unlikely to feature in the first team long term. The squad places should be taken by developing under 23s and not by experienced players who are deemed to be generally past it.

It will be an absolute travesty if the likes of Mols, Butterworth, Lyons etc are moved on to develop their careers elsewhere, whilst Mulgrew, Smallwood etc sit on their arses and their contracts.

 

Graham is still our best striker by a comfortable distance.

I've no idea why fans are trying to rush him out the door.

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Match his f@$ wage???? For a player that's no wanted...... he can f@#K RIGHT OFF the way he left and now no one is interested wants back and on same money he is on......... the boy is on crack...... if we take him back ill be letting him know every time he or TM is in ear shot of me that I'm no happy 

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54 minutes ago, J*B said:

Yep league 1 doesn’t count.
 

The Dack injury is massive - if we had him available to sell in Summer, or January (much to Mani’s disappointment!) we would be in a position where despite being close to FFP we can spend, as we had an asset worth millions to FFP ready to be cashed in at any point. We could have got 20m for Dack at basically any point we wanted. 
If Dack didn’t get injured we would be spending THIS window. We haven’t bothered scouting players between 3-5 million for no reason. We can afford to buy them if we have a Dack sale in our back pockets. We can’t if we don’t. 
I can’t express just how much of an asset having a player signed for 750K and sold for 20M is in FFP terms. It’s basically a PlayStation cheat code and gives you a license to go from loses of about 38m over three seasons to just under 60m over three seasons. 

£20m?! On what planet are we getting £20m for Dack?!

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10 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Of those 6 games Lenihan has missed we have lost 4 games, draw 1 and won 1. 

As I keep telling you I think Gallagher will score goals if we create chances for him. And I told you before there is a player in him. 

Brereton was performing when Warburton was manager there. 

I know you dont. 

Im not saying that he isnt really important, I was correcting the implication that hes missed a high proportion of our games and its cost us. Same with Dack, we never once spent a day in the play off places even with him playing.

He will be spending the rest of the season playing on the wing I suspect with Armstrong up top and reinforcements not coming in wide. Wherever he plays he doesnt have the knack of sniffing out chances.

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4 hours ago, JHRover said:

So if we had beat Wigan and Birmingham at Xmas and were in the top 6 when the window opened they would have sold Dack to WBA?

If their grand plan when promotion is a realistic outcome is to sell our best player mid season then I'd say they don't really want promotion.

Yes, I said a while ago that we would've sold him. Because regardless of our position, we simply wouldn't be able to invest and it amazed me how surprised lots of supporters were when the penny dropped regarding FFP - it's simple arithmetic. The terrible dealings have tied us in a tight knot and we HAVE to sell someone to improve the team. Add to the fact Dack isn't going to sign a deal, he held the card more firmly every day that goes by.  Mowbray even did a piece in the Telegraph dropping a massive hint that he might have to go.

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16 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

£20m?! On what planet are we getting £20m for Dack?!

You’ve seen some of the Championship -> Premier League transfer fees for attackers, right?

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18 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

Graham is still our best striker by a comfortable distance.

I've no idea why fans are trying to rush him out the door.

I agree and I certainly wouldn't be looking to move him on but having already spent what we have, we should be looking to do just that.

It's ludicrous that we are where we are, having committed the funds that we have on our attack.

 

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25 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

Graham is still our best striker by a comfortable distance.

I've no idea why fans are trying to rush him out the door.

Probably the way he has only scored 3 goals this season and doesn't look as clinical or fit as last season.

Armstrong is comfortably our best striker at this point, not Danny. Different type but clearly looking more dangerous of late than Graham.

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10 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Im not saying that he isnt really important, I was correcting the implication that hes missed a high proportion of our games and its cost us. Same with Dack, we never once spent a day in the play off places even with him playing.

He will be spending the rest of the season playing on the wing I suspect with Armstrong up top and reinforcements not coming in wide. Wherever he plays he doesnt have the knack of sniffing out chances.

Lenihan is very important to our side and him and Adarabioyo are good partnership. If he had played in those 6 games he missed I think we would have 4 or 5 points more. I not assed if we haven't been in playoffs yet. Neither had Villa last season at this stage I think. As long as you are in there after 46 games that's all that matters. 

Who knows what will happen this week regarding transfers. It will be busy for Championship clubs this week and hopefully us. The usually last week chaos of the window as per usual

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7 minutes ago, Pedro said:

Yes, I said a while ago that we would've sold him. Because regardless of our position, we simply wouldn't be able to invest and it amazed me how surprised lots of supporters were when the penny dropped regarding FFP - it's simple arithmetic. The terrible dealings have tied us in a tight knot and we HAVE to sell someone to improve the team. Add to the fact Dack isn't going to sign a deal, he held the card more firmly every day that goes by.  Mowbray even did a piece in the Telegraph dropping a massive hint that he might have to go.

So Forest, Derby and others are also similarly worried about FFP implications are they?

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Just now, chaddyrovers said:

Lenihan is very important to our side and him and Adarabioyo are good partnership. If he had played in those 6 games he missed I think we would have 4 or 5 points more. I not assed if we haven't been in playoffs yet. Neither had Villa last season at this stage I think. As long as you are in there after 46 games that's all that matters. 

Who knows what will happen this week regarding transfers. It will be busy for Championship clubs this week and hopefully us. The usually last week chaos of the window as per usual

Its unreasonable to expect a player to be fit to play in every single game, missing half a dozen games is not enough to raise it as a major reason as to why we arent in the top 6.

I dont think there is any tangible evidence to suggest that we are top 6 quality considering we have never been in the top 6.

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I am almost 53, got mikes in the kegs through amateur football and scored goals wherever I played. At my age and with dodgy knees with a supply line even I could bang a few in. You do not lose the art of scoring BUT you do need a decent supply to do so. Both Brereton and Gally as well as Armstrong will flourish with a decent supply. Take Dack out and Rivers have to be a 4-4-2 team with Dack it’s 4-4-1-1 

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5 minutes ago, darrenrover said:

So Forest, Derby and others are also similarly worried about FFP implications are they?

Well Derby thought they where around it through selling their stadium. Forest have sold 20m of players since Brereton last January. 

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Just now, roversfan99 said:

Its unreasonable to expect a player to be fit to play in every single game, missing half a dozen games is not enough to raise it as a major reason as to why we arent in the top 6.

I dont think there is any tangible evidence to suggest that we are top 6 quality considering we have never been in the top 6.

Like I said neither were Villa at this stage. so what? doesn't matter now. I would say Lenihan and Adarabioyo partnership is top 6 quality IMO. Armstrong, Downing and Dack is top 6 quality also

Like I said if we had Lenihan fit for every game we would be top 6 now IMO. Should be captain permanent now. 

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As a side note, if Dack is out for 12 months we surely must have his wages covered under his medical insurance? Can we not spend that?

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30 minutes ago, darrenrover said:

So Forest, Derby and others are also similarly worried about FFP implications are they?

I have no idea and not sure what your point is tbh. All I know is, our manager and CEO clearly are - as they frequently reference it as an excuse or fear.

Edited by Pedro

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22 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Like I said neither were Villa at this stage. so what? doesn't matter now. I would say Lenihan and Adarabioyo partnership is top 6 quality IMO. Armstrong, Downing and Dack is top 6 quality also

Like I said if we had Lenihan fit for every game we would be top 6 now IMO. Should be captain permanent now. 

He does more than his fair share of clangers too.

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28 minutes ago, J*B said:

As a side note, if Dack is out for 12 months we surely must have his wages covered under his medical insurance? Can we not spend that?

I take it your taking the piss and you know that's not how ffp or medical insurance for players works?? 

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