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10 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

I suspect the primary reason that Brereton has had his best games in pre season and in under 23 games is because of the standard of opposition to be fair, its not really achievement scoring in a friendly against a Bury side who were about to go out of business and could barely name a side or against a Doncaster kids team. I think id have fancied my chances.

I feel it is a little presumptious personally to second guess the mentality of the squad in this way but there may be some in our squad like in others who would prefer a less pressurised environment, who knows, but then again if a player cannot play in front of a crowd then hes no good for a Championship team.

Personally I think BB is the most mentally weak player we have. Yes it's presumptuous but we have to presume things we don't know. I feel it's fairly clear from his body language at various points. It has certainly created the image of a player who sorely needs sustained confidence. All players do, but he really really does.

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11 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

Personally I think BB is the most mentally weak player we have. Yes it's presumptuous but we have to presume things we don't know. I feel it's fairly clear from his body language at various points. It has certainly created the image of a player who sorely needs sustained confidence. All players do, but he really really does.

That may be the case, but the main reason that he manages to score against a soon to be extinct Bury and Doncasters kids is because of the standard of opposition.

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1 minute ago, roversfan99 said:

That may be the case, but the main reason that he manages to score against a soon to be extinct Bury and Doncasters kids is because of the standard of opposition.

That I can agree with. Same for his performances for the reserves. But I think there is some merit to Joe's suggestion that the lad might do a bit better without a crowd present. How much so, who knows.

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10 hours ago, bluebruce said:

That I can agree with. Same for his performances for the reserves. But I think there is some merit to Joe's suggestion that the lad might do a bit better without a crowd present. How much so, who knows.

If he can’t perform in front of a crowd how has he become a pro footballer. Pro players in all sports yearn for the big stages.

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1 hour ago, rigger said:

If he can’t perform in front of a crowd how has he become a pro footballer. Pro players in all sports yearn for the big stages.

It's the way football is going because it's the way life is going.

Post-2000 born footballers grew up in the world that I did, a schooling system which coddles. Lack of discipline in households, on the streets, in schools and on playing fields. Players of that age are now typically "snowflakes". You get the odd Lewis Travis, from rougher areas who are pretty tough from a young age, but a major consequence of having a youthful team is a lack of 80's and 90's resilience that the older players have instilled into them from when they were younger.

Ben Brereton isn't alone in this unfortunate trait. Way too many younger players across England are becoming this way. Countless loan spells out to other clubs where there's less responsibility, playing against youth sides til the age of 23 in some cases (see Sam Gallagher).. It's a major issue for the world of football.

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11 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

That may be the case, but the main reason that he manages to score against a soon to be extinct Bury and Doncasters kids is because of the standard of opposition.

You're right, and I wasn't even really trying to say he played particularly well in those games, he was bang average to be honest.

My main point was that it's pretty clear that players like Brereton absolutely struggle under pressure. Ewood can be a very tough environment. As a fan base we're very fickle really. Whilst we've had a much more relaxed few seasons, the Blackburn End can turn on the players very VERY quickly. I'm not saying we're the only club that's like this but it is definitely prominent here. Brereton didn't have as much pressure at Forest as he does here. He was "their" player, from their youth academy, much like Travis for us, so they were much more supportive right from the get go, and also much more forgiving.

Add in a £7m transfer fee, a real pressure was put on Brereton at just 19 years old. He is clearly lacking in confidence and whilst I think there's other major issues like his ability as a footballer in general, it seems odd to me to play down the impact that the mental side of this has had on his game. Getting booed at Birmingham, people seem to think that won't affect a 19/20 year old lad. It does and it will continue to.

If you look at his gameplay at Forest, even in that game against us in 16/17, he looks alright. He looks fairly confident to try things (see his 30-yard effort against us in that game at the end of the first half). We've never seen him like that here. That's not me excusing his shit form purely because of confidence but I'm saying it absolutely affects it. It's silly to even suggest that it doesn't have an effect. Why would a player who was coping fairly well in a Forest side the league above us in 17/18 suddenly become so poor? There has to be a huge mental aspect to that. Whether that's the transfer fee, the pressures of not being "home grown" so not being so easily forgiven, or just the general attitudes of Rovers fans.

Look, he's pretty shit. I don't think he'll ever be a Championship forward at Blackburn Rovers, but I just find it baffling that you think it's presumptuous to say he's clearly facing huge mental obstacles like big match pressure, crowd pressure and a big transfer fee looming over his head.

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3 hours ago, JoeH said:

You're right, and I wasn't even really trying to say he played particularly well in those games, he was bang average to be honest.

My main point was that it's pretty clear that players like Brereton absolutely struggle under pressure. Ewood can be a very tough environment. As a fan base we're very fickle really. Whilst we've had a much more relaxed few seasons, the Blackburn End can turn on the players very VERY quickly. I'm not saying we're the only club that's like this but it is definitely prominent here. Brereton didn't have as much pressure at Forest as he does here. He was "their" player, from their youth academy, much like Travis for us, so they were much more supportive right from the get go, and also much more forgiving.

Add in a £7m transfer fee, a real pressure was put on Brereton at just 19 years old. He is clearly lacking in confidence and whilst I think there's other major issues like his ability as a footballer in general, it seems odd to me to play down the impact that the mental side of this has had on his game. Getting booed at Birmingham, people seem to think that won't affect a 19/20 year old lad. It does and it will continue to.

If you look at his gameplay at Forest, even in that game against us in 16/17, he looks alright. He looks fairly confident to try things (see his 30-yard effort against us in that game at the end of the first half). We've never seen him like that here. That's not me excusing his shit form purely because of confidence but I'm saying it absolutely affects it. It's silly to even suggest that it doesn't have an effect. Why would a player who was coping fairly well in a Forest side the league above us in 17/18 suddenly become so poor? There has to be a huge mental aspect to that. Whether that's the transfer fee, the pressures of not being "home grown" so not being so easily forgiven, or just the general attitudes of Rovers fans.

Look, he's pretty shit. I don't think he'll ever be a Championship forward at Blackburn Rovers, but I just find it baffling that you think it's presumptuous to say he's clearly facing huge mental obstacles like big match pressure, crowd pressure and a big transfer fee looming over his head.

I just didnt really get the rationale behind selecting the specific players you mentioned as players who will thrive behind closed doors, thats all. For example Nyambe I think did look very nervous when he came in but this season he has been consistent in front of crowds. Maybe you are right in suggesting that we could benefit from playing behind closed doors but I am not sure on how much evidence there is to support it.

Regarding him as a player, ultimately he scored very few goals at Forest (of course he is young), ultimately he broke through at a time when they were in the bottom half, a year or two later and he couldnt make the matchday squad anymore. The best game he has ever had was in front of possibly one of the biggest crowds he will have played in front of and on TV too. Ultimately I think he was a player who had one stand out game as a young lad and maybe without that a 7m fee would have been unthinkable.

 There is definitely the pressure of a big price tag but for example the booing at Birmingham was 18 months into his time following repeated poor and to be honest half arsed performances. And I don't think the Blackburn End or indeed Ewood in general is the fickle hotbed you imply at all, indeed you see the reaction when he scored v Bolton, I do think at times people overstate how supposedly demanding we can be.

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I wonder who will be taking a punt on Jordan Ibe. Soon to be out of contract after his £16m move to Bournemouth really didn’t work out well. There’s a player in there somewhere and he’s still only in his mid 20s. I’m sure he will end up staying in the premier league with someone but I’ll be intrigued to see how his next move works out.

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5 hours ago, Ricky said:

I wonder who will be taking a punt on Jordan Ibe. Soon to be out of contract after his £16m move to Bournemouth really didn’t work out well. There’s a player in there somewhere and he’s still only in his mid 20s. I’m sure he will end up staying in the premier league with someone but I’ll be intrigued to see how his next move works out.

Liverpool fans thought he could be as good as sterling was (before he went to the next level at city). Clearly a player there. I dont know anything about why he has failed at Bournemouth but you suspect a serious attitude problem. And with one of those he might be a lost cause.

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Another goal for Ibisevic tonight. I remember us being linked to him many moons ago. 

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On 22/05/2020 at 14:03, Ricky said:

I wonder who will be taking a punt on Jordan Ibe. Soon to be out of contract after his £16m move to Bournemouth really didn’t work out well. There’s a player in there somewhere and he’s still only in his mid 20s. I’m sure he will end up staying in the premier league with someone but I’ll be intrigued to see how his next move works out.

He's been in trouble for breaching lockdown rules I think, crashed his car into a cafe and then ran, and he has a reputation for being one of those guys more interested in money and parties than training and performing on the pitch.

Edited by Norbert Rassragr

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Read somewhere that Cunningham has enrolled at UCLAN on a sports course.  Perhaps he's on his way back here for next season.

Left back has been a nightmare for years

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Ewood a ‘very tough environment’?

Heard it all now :lol:

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Joshua King rumoured to be on the move. Sell on fee?

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2 hours ago, yellowsubmarine said:

Cherries paid a compensation fee according to this article. Not sure if there's any sell-on fee for such agreement.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11743/9927481/bournemouth-agree-undisclosed-fee-for-joshua-king

95% sure we have a pretty decent sell on fee due to the terms of the deal that the Cherries got him under. Shame he’s only got a year left on his deal.

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22 hours ago, Fraserkirky said:

Joshua King rumoured to be on the move. Sell on fee?

Hope he doesn't return to United.

Why go back to a club that deemed you not good enough?

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12 minutes ago, Amo said:

Hope he doesn't return to United.

Why go back to a club that deemed you not good enough?

What did you say when Greer went back to Rovers? Yes the situation had changed considerably at Ewood (and has to an extent at United) but he must have felt somewhat smug about the whole thing. One of my mottos is "never humble yourself" and that's what the club did by letting Greer return. Same reason I was opposed to any Beattie links including when club was still in EPL.

King's not good enough (for what they aspire towards) so hopefully will return there. 

Edited by Vinjay

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If we have a sell on fee I don't care where he goes. Have a bidding war for all I care and may the best team win. 

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1 hour ago, Vinjay said:

What did you say when Greer went back to Rovers? Yes the situation had changed considerably at Ewood (and has to an extent at United) but he must have felt somewhat smug about the whole thing. One of my mottos is "never humble yourself" and that's what the club did by letting Greer return. Same reason I was opposed to any Beattie links including when club was still in EPL.

King's not good enough (for what they aspire towards) so hopefully will return there. 

OK Uriah

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Rovers under 18's player Luke Brennan linked with Liverpool. source is football365. 

I would be disappoint if we lost him as I think he is going to be very talent player for us in the future

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44 minutes ago, Vinjay said:

Another reason why Academy is a waste of time.

A bit harsh, just because one of our players is linked to Liverpool. I would be more worried if we produced no-one of any interest.

 

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51 minutes ago, Vinjay said:

Another reason why Academy is a waste of time.

No the academy isnt waste of time at all. Plenty of good young players coming through. 

Do you watch the under 23's or 18's? 

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Lehinen, Nyambe, Travis and before the suspension of the competition Rankin-Costello and Buckley have all appeared. Scrap the academy and then what? Loans and free transfers like Wes Brown to complete the squad? 

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