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1 hour ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

When you decide on a way of playing and then you start shoehorning players into it normally it doesn't work. You need to look at what your players particular skills are and design your way of playing to suit them. For example if you've got three really good centre halves but no wing backs and you want to play three at the back you've got to either get your wing backs in from somewhere or come up with another system etc. There's no point playing it with the likes of Nyambe and Williams for instance.

Well I think if you asked Mowbray he would tell you Gallagher and Brereton on the wing does work. He's absolutely convinced about it. The formation is custom made, in Tony's mind, to get the best out of his players. I mean what is clear is Tony spent £10M on those two to play this wide striker role which seems to me and many as utterly mental, but that is his judgement.

As for whether we should persevere with it I'm in two minds. Did look very effective against Bristol City who just couldn't cope at all, and while we lost against Wigan we totally bossed it until Travis went off and should have won the game. The freedom it gives Downing is excellent. But equally Gallagher and Brereton on the wings an absolute joke from a footballing perspective. Brereton has started to look better but all he can do is dribble a bit and then lose the ball. Gallgher can be effective defensively but offensively is totally abject. Have either of them had a decent shot in the last two games?

I guess it's one of those formations which people will tolerate as long as we win, but if we aren't getting the results it's a focal point for criticism. But Tony's set his stall out, can't see him changing it unless we get hammered.

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Call me cynical but the reason Gally and Ben play wide forward is because it lessens the focus on their lack of goals and it keeps them in the team when they aren't good enough to lead the line. 

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So looking at it, we need to sign 7 first choice players this summer and a couple of squad players?

Do we know if our loan for Cunningham had a commitment to buy him in the summer, as that should at least sort the left back position. 

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4 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

The 4-3-3 should be ditched, 2 of our only 3 competent attackers are number 10s so why come up with a formation that doesnt include one?

Gallagher cannot play that wide striker role as much as Bennett cannot play at left back.

We dont what going on with Dack whether he going to stay or willing we need to sell him or other players to meet FFP rules. EFL havent made any comment on relaxing the rules. I want to see them scrap personally. 

I dont mind the 4-3-3 formation as soon. We need to tweak the way we play it. If we are going to play this system long term and then we need to be playing at under 18's and under 23's levels. We have to start bringing in more and more of our own players through the system,. 

He started playing this way to make sure we dont get over run in midfield again like we did at Derby away. And also Downing is our playmaker in there . The top 5 teams in the league play this formation. 

We all knew Bennett isn't a left back but it was as 4th choice and then we didn't have to move Downing from deep playmaker role, 

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49 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

We dont what going on with Dack whether he going to stay or willing we need to sell him or other players to meet FFP rules. EFL havent made any comment on relaxing the rules. I want to see them scrap personally. 

I dont mind the 4-3-3 formation as soon. We need to tweak the way we play it. If we are going to play this system long term and then we need to be playing at under 18's and under 23's levels. We have to start bringing in more and more of our own players through the system,. 

He started playing this way to make sure we dont get over run in midfield again like we did at Derby away. And also Downing is our playmaker in there . The top 5 teams in the league play this formation. 

We all knew Bennett isn't a left back but it was as 4th choice and then we didn't have to move Downing from deep playmaker role, 

Surely you would go with the 433 tomorrow then and work on it consistently rather than go back to the 4231 you endorsed that i had recommended.

 

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26 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Surely you would go with the 433 tomorrow then and work on it consistently rather than go back to the 4231 you endorsed that i had recommended.

 

Depends who available tomorrow and With the team up pick we could play 4-3-3 anyway. Agree on the team you pick. Travis, Davenport and Rothwell in CM with Holtby from the right, Armstrong centre and Brereton from the left. I just want to win tomorrow. 

I am talking more long term in terms of formation but Mowbray has decide on the way forward and make sure his signings fit this formation and style. 

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1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

We dont what going on with Dack whether he going to stay or willing we need to sell him or other players to meet FFP rules. EFL havent made any comment on relaxing the rules. I want to see them scrap personally. 

I dont mind the 4-3-3 formation as soon. We need to tweak the way we play it. If we are going to play this system long term and then we need to be playing at under 18's and under 23's levels. We have to start bringing in more and more of our own players through the system,. 

He started playing this way to make sure we dont get over run in midfield again like we did at Derby away. And also Downing is our playmaker in there . The top 5 teams in the league play this formation. 

We all knew Bennett isn't a left back but it was as 4th choice and then we didn't have to move Downing from deep playmaker role, 

Against Wigan we'd have been better off putting Downing to left back and letting Bennett run around in midfield and put a foot in now and again. There wasn't going to be much playmaking going on when we play Wigan

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44 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Against Wigan we'd have been better off putting Downing to left back and letting Bennett run around in midfield and put a foot in now and again. There wasn't going to be much playmaking going on when we play Wigan

Even if Downing as preferred was at LB, Bennett would be behind Travis, Johnson, Davenport, Holtby, Rothwell etc in CM.

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We are being linked to swedish defender Linus Wahlqvist by Kicker.de

"Wahlqvists contract does not apply to the 3rd division

Wahlqvist had switched from the Swedish first division club IFK Norrköping to the Elbe two years ago and had signed a four-year contract in Dresden until 2022. However, this is not valid for the 3rd league. Therefore, the 23-year-old can switch free of charge. In addition to Paderborn, CD Leganes, penultimate of the Spanish Primera Division, and the English second division trio Blackburn Rovers, FC Millwall and FC Reading are also said to be interested in the Sweden."

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4 minutes ago, Swanson said:

We are being linked to swedish defender Linus Wahlqvist by Kicker.de

"Wahlqvists contract does not apply to the 3rd division

Wahlqvist had switched from the Swedish first division club IFK Norrköping to the Elbe two years ago and had signed a four-year contract in Dresden until 2022. However, this is not valid for the 3rd league. Therefore, the 23-year-old can switch free of charge. In addition to Paderborn, CD Leganes, penultimate of the Spanish Primera Division, and the English second division trio Blackburn Rovers, FC Millwall and FC Reading are also said to be interested in the Sweden."

Thanks for sharing.

How you seen much of him? What type of player is he? 

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3 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Thanks for sharing.

How you seen much of him? What type of player is he? 

Nothing at all to be honest, just saw the link.

 

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3 minutes ago, Swanson said:

Nothing at all to be honest, just saw the link.

 

Hes a right back by trade then. 

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8 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Suspect with the number of linked teams that it is agent talk.

Have we scouting him is the question. 

Hes a right back. 

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Scott Wharton played very well in the league 2 playoff final. Got plenty of heading in

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15 hours ago, JoeH said:

I don't know about Yannis N'gakoutou and the legitimacy of that link, but what I do know is that we NEED a back up right-back. We can't keep going full seasons without a back up right back. It's self-inflicting losses when Nyambe isn't fit that we just don't need to be inflicting.

Hope we sign him, there’s good potential for a chant to ‘the animals went in two by two’ there 

Yannis N'gakoutou Hoorah Hoorah!

Yannis N'gakoutou Hoorah Hoorah!

Yannis N'gakoutou, Dack and Holtby, Nyambe too, we’re all going to the premier league cause Rovers are back again!

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2 hours ago, neophox said:

Will Wharton return now? 

I believe Tony likes 3 at the back and this Wharton can play it fairly well....good attacking threat from set pieces and a decent throw.

Edited by Sparks Rover

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On 29/06/2020 at 04:53, chaddyrovers said:

I think he would perfect at Palace IMO. Both of their right back are 30 years old and only 1 year left on contract. 

plus it would help us FFP if we are that close if there is no relaxing of FFP rules

sounds like you want him sold.

I have been a strong Nyambe fan over the years, even when many others were on his back. Do think his development stalled for a bit under certain managers but he has always come across a bit differently to most modern day footballers. Seems a nice kid who while a little shy, has the attributes needed to be a top quality fullback. This season alone, i feel he has come on leaps and bounds. Still does not quite have the end product but is becoming a big asset to the team. If he can sort out his end product, we have a serious player on our hands.

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18 hours ago, JoeH said:

Talk on here of £5m not being "enough" for Nyambe is tosh for me. What on earth makes him worth more than £5m? I like him, he's improved a lot but he's still League One quality going forward. He can't cross, pass very well or shoot. Why would any Premier League side be looking to bring in that kind of full back? Not many full backs in the Premier League these days are shit gnoing forward.

You have never rated Nyambe so not  surprise to see this. You were once championing Bennett over him, which is insane when you look at them both now. One is a player that has shown that if you play him he gets better and develops, the other just dives in and gives away penalties and freekicks- he gives fist pumps to the fans though, so all is forgiven. 

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17 hours ago, Mellor Rover said:

We need a lot of players in Summer.

2 x Goalkeepers are a given.

A left back, if not 2. Our current options there wouldnt even be second choice if I could help it. 

If Tosin goes back, 2 x CB. If he stays then we do need another. Williams ok as cover but need to be looking at better than that. Tom Clarke being released from Preston. Him alongside Darragh would be good. Also played a lot at left back I think? Or is it right back? Good CB all the same.

A creative midfielder to play alongside Travis (who is just magnificent). I like Evans; Johnson an option from the bench.  But it’s not enough over 46 games as we’re seeing now. Curtis Jones would be nice but think we need more experience. Off the top of my head someone similar to Adam Forshaw/Ryan Woods/Harry Arter.

An out and out actual winger or 2. With pace. Gallagher/Brereton aren’t the answer. And after 2 years TM has seen what majority of fans saw re: Armstrong being a striker. 

A striker who can actually score goals would be nice too. And a bit of a nasty streak. Defenders playing against us when Dack isn’t in the team must be a dream. All ‘nice lads’ but fuck all on the aggression front. It’s no wonder when teams make it hard for us we struggle (Wigan x2, Stoke, Luton, Birmingham, Charlton). Again, off the top of my head, someone in the Mitrovic/Juke style. (No I’m not saying spend 12mil on mitrovic before anyone starts)

As for departures, I’d be getting rid of/not renewing Bell Smallwood Mulgrew Bennett Davenport Chapman Rothwell Graham. Obviously I’d like to sell Gallagher/Brereton too but doubt there’s anyone that desperate out there. 

Only nailed on starters when fit for me are Lenihan Nyambe Tosin (if staying) Travis Dack (when fit), Downing (36 next year) and Armstrong. Rest is up for grabs.

Good post. I would take Mitrovic for the 12 mil we spent on BB and DG in a heartbeat.

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8 hours ago, Sparks Rover said:

I believe Tony likes 3 at the back and this Wharton can play it fairly well....good attacking threat from set pieces and a decent throw.

One of my mates is mates with him, and apparently Tony hasn’t properly given him a look in before now because he’s ‘not big enough’, so could be anyone’s guess if he’s in the squad plans for the first team for next season.

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6 hours ago, JacknOry said:

You have never rated Nyambe so not  surprise to see this.

Since when? HAHAHAHAHA I thought he was bang average until 18/19 where he improved a lot, and has continued that improvement now. "Never" rated him is ridiculous? I just don't think asking for more than £5m for a wing-back who can't pass, shoot or cross is stupid. A powerful, fast and more than competent right-back, but not a PL one yet.

There was a time you know when Nyambe would make mistakes on a weekly basis, and there was at least a genuine discussion to be had about his starting spot, those days are long gone, and to suggest my arguments about his value now in 2020 are somehow marred by his abilities in 2017-2018 is silly.

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8 minutes ago, schoey said:

One of my mates is mates with him, and apparently Tony hasn’t properly given him a look in before now because he’s ‘not big enough’, so could be anyone’s guess if he’s in the squad plans for the first team for next season.

Industry code for "he doesn't rate him". He looks a big enough lad and I'd put him streets ahead of Del...he will be a goal threat from corners ers etc.  If I were him I'd stop where I'm appreciated. 

 

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