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Just now, bluebruce said:

I think it's fair to point out that firstly, the people who scapegoated Raya and the people who are now putting him on a pedestal are, at least for the huge majority, not the same sets of people. The ones who keep harping on about him now are the ones who liked him before and wanted us to keep him.

Also, Raya's was the more impressive performance tonight, hands down. Walton wasn't particularly tested. He held that one well that was driven straight at him though. Raya's save from Armstrong (the second one) was the type Walton just isn't capable of.

Oh I agree that about your first notion. I was never really won over by Raya's wonder-saves, and at the same time, I've never felt that I wished we had him back. I honestly felt that he was a weakness in the team last season, and it seemed to be the general feeling on here up until the point where there was talk of a sale. Interesting, that!

I really would have liked us to nurture Raya a bit longer, but whatever the reasons for him leaving, I'm still not bothered really. He pulled off one superb stop against Arma tonight, but aside from that, he still felt like the same 'keeper that he was last season. I don't think we're missing out on a great deal to be honest.

And you're right. The fans who raised concerns about him back then probably aren't the same ones who are lauding him now. They probably just raise their voices at the popular time to do so.

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18 minutes ago, joey_big_nose said:

Before everyone gets too carried away I would say the lack of pressure from Brentford was a big factor in our success. It'll be a totally different kettle of fish against a physical quick moving side.

I was just about to post something similar. I'm more afraid of playing against the more direct sides that quickly get the ball in and around the box . . .and actually shoot on target.

I wish we could play every week against these soft teams that ticky tacky in the middle of the pitch and their own half for most of the game and then spunk over their possession stats.

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i wonder if saturdays awful showing led to a massive argument in the dressing room after the match,there were a few frought exchanges after the final whistle,i would`nt be surprised if a few influential older players had a showdown with mowbray and told him what was wrong

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Really enjoyed that. Thought we were better than Brentford, who are a very good side, on the night and thoroughly deserved the win.

Graham needs to play. He does what he does so well and gives the three behind him so much freedom. I’m not a huge fan of Evans, but I thought he did great tonight. Rothwell was fantastic. Really ought to have scored but aside from that a near flawless performance. Nyambe going off injures was a bit of a gut punch, hope he’s back soon because there really ought not to be any question about who is our best right back. Downing proving to be a really shrewd signing. Armstrong still frustrates the hell out of me, but on the whole tonight was one of his better days. Would prefer a proper winger out there though.

We also seemed to get the rub of the green today, the ball bounced kindly a few times and their shooting wasn’t quite there, but you make your own luck and I felt the performance definitely warranted a win.

Sad seeing Raya playing for another team. Was never in favour of him being sold, and tonight just reaffirmed that.

When Brereton makes these cameos it’s like watching soccer aid when Les Ferdinand goes off for Paddy McGuiness. Criminally bad signing.

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Miles better that was. Absolutely miles better. We looked a completely different team to the dour, uninspiring outfit we’ve become accustomed to seeing at Ewood.

Rothwell superb. Cannot believe we’ve had a player as good as he is on our bench most weeks for the past season and half.

Haven't seen him mentioned much but well done to Tosin whose composure and use of the ball is excellent for a centre back.

Will Mowbray learn from this? Will Rothwell become a permanent fixture in the starting eleven now? Will Nyambe get more of a look in? (I’d have Nyambe starting every game but I can’t see him having Bennett on the bench much). Let’s hope so but proof will be in the next few line ups.

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Feel much better tonight after a good win and good performance. Despite the win on Saturday there was a lot to be concerned about. Tonight was a dramatic turnaround with what I feel was the best team performance of the season. A huge effort from all the team. Could have been more comfortable but we defended well.

Thought the referee was a disgrace.

I'm not getting into the managerial debate as one swallow does not make a summer. He got it right tonight and deserves credit. The key is to find a way to build on this rather than go back to the dreariness of the season so far.

Points up for grabs in games v struggling Stoke and Derby.

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Not said this for a long time, and I'm fairly worried it will be redundant come Saturday at 2:10pm, but "fair play Tony."

Who knew that by starting your best RB, LW and CF that you would improve the team so much. Bit of a "gamble" starting Evans, but I thought he played well, as did the XI. Nyambe was everything a RB should be, and Rothwell is just another level at times.

As for Raya, was pleased with his performance, he is clearly much better coached at Brentford (shock!), and he kept it at 1-0 with some great saves and general reading of danger... also, I counted zero shit kicks. 100% mistake forcing him out end of last season.

Shame Tony hasn't yet realised that good coaches make good/promising players better.

But tonight, was progress 🙌

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Good win and some nice football in patches.  Personally thought Armstrong was disappointing again, yet others thought  he did well.  I'd like to see Rothwell, Dack and Holtby start behind Graham.  That would be interesting.

Armstrong is best off bench for me.  

Very impressed with Toisin's passing and thought midfield pair did well.  Rothwell standout performer, shame he didn't bury that chance. Fair play to TM, good first 11 and subs

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28 minutes ago, Stuart said:

Far better and more balanced performance tonight. 100 times better than against Barnsley.

So what did we learn tonight? Well not much that we didn’t already know...

- Armstrong out wide instead of on his own in the middle works.

- A proper striker playing up top not out wide works - Gallagher must be fuming.

- A proper right back instead of a midfielder works.

- Armstong and Nyambe can work together.

- Rothwell and Downing can work together.

- Playing Rothwell from the start with a bit of freedom works - although if Mowbray hadn’t dug him out about goals earlier in the week, he might not have overthought his shot. Man of the match again.

- £14m and we are still utterly dependent on Dack for goals.

- Playing Bennett in defence makes us weaker - let’s hope Nyambe isn’t badly injured.

- Lenihan is a far better captain that Bennett.

- Brereton isn’t a pro athlete let alone a footballer - has he even been working on his game while he has been out? Can’t run, win the ball, or even get close to it. I don’t remember him touching the ball in the time he was on the pitch.

All of the things we have been asking for from Mowbray were in that starting line up. But his tombola machine will strike again in no time.

Three home wins in a row should be a cause for some optimism but I’ve no faith that he will stick with our best side or improve it with astute recruitment in January. He needs to show something in the next five games that he has learned and he is going to have faith in his best players rather than his favourite or longest serving. More changes for the sake of it and we are back to square one.

Over to you Tony.

I’m sure one day, Stuart, you will take it on yourself to give our manager a little bit of credit for actually winning a football match!

Your extremely condescending comments that he is finally doing what you want in terms of selection and tactics does you no favours.

Your description of “ tombola Tony” is rather insulting. He and his staff plan each game using the strengths and weaknesses of the opposition and Stoke away may well see changes.

Let’s enjoy tonight. I am still optimistic about our season.

 

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After sustained pressure by a minority of fans Mowbray finally abandoned his much vaunted new style and first XI for Graham, Rothwell and Nyambe.

Thank fuck.

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I thought that was a bit of a tonking.

Graham and Rothwell missed absolute sitters. Dack should have done better with his header and Raya pulled off two very good saves from Armstrong.

I hope Mowbray doesn't change the team too much for the weekend - the only changes should be for fatigue and injuries.

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Bit bored of the Tony Tombola chat, can that go to bed now?

Nyambe was sensational against one of the best players in the league, hope he is okay for Sat.

Rothwell first name on the teamsheet. Tosin superb too.

Performance was night and day compared to the pish we watched on Saturday. We actually killed off a game for once.

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Round pegs in round holes. What a good solid performance that was; a balanced team. Every player played well including Brereton who did his share when he came on. If Tony can keep selecting teams like this I may just change my mind about him.

Nyambe should be fit for Saturday. He went off with cramp. 

 

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20 minutes ago, Miller11 said:

When Brereton makes these cameos it’s like watching soccer aid when Les Ferdinand goes off for Paddy McGuiness. Criminally bad signing.

I did cringe every time he instantly lost the ball again. 😚

Thank the footballing God we managed to keep him away from it during the 5 minutes of stoppage time. He just hasn't got anything and with all we know about our coaching set-up he's unlikely to improve. HELP!  SOS Francis Jeffers. 

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Whilst Brereton didn’t do anything of huge note when he came on the most telling sign we need a new main man up top came in the first half 

Rothwell set off at a swuillion miles an hour and took it past 3 players and then played it to Graham just outside the box and continued his run, Graham’s let’s couldn’t work fast enough and allowed them to get back and snuff it out 

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Graham looked like a player who hasnt been playing enough football, hes bound to be rusty. But hes the perfect foil, he holds the ball up so well, Mowbray said the other day he doesnt want to play him as we struggle to get up the pitch with him but the opposite is true. He did well and we are a different team when he plays.

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I might well be his biggest critic but well done tonight Tony. All we can ask of him is that he keeps that same 11 for Saturday. Don't change anything until we start losing or due to injuries. 

A Joe Rothwell that scores goals could easily be a Premier League player.

Armstrong had his best game of the season.

Evans must have had his Irish shirt on underneath.

Defence worked as a unit led by the inspirational Lenihan.

Loved every minute of that performance. 

When January comes I genuinely believe we are only a keeper, a centre half and a left back away from a quality team.

Don't piss about with this formula now please Tony. It works!! 

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37 minutes ago, tonygreenbank said:

I’m sure one day, Stuart, you will take it on yourself to give our manager a little bit of credit for actually winning a football match!

Your extremely condescending comments that he is finally doing what you want in terms of selection and tactics does you no favours.

Your description of “ tombola Tony” is rather insulting. He and his staff plan each game using the strengths and weaknesses of the opposition and Stoke away may well see changes.

Let’s enjoy tonight. I am still optimistic about our season.

 

Tombola Tony is based on fact. His idiotic selections have been an 'effing joke and have cost us dearly. Who'd have thought that a balanced team of players in their actual positions would bode well?

 

Well, the majority of us on here actually.

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3 minutes ago, Bbrovers2288 said:

We would not a goal scoring machine up top to be really dangerous, sorry to say I think Graham’s race is run 

True. Mowbray correctly conceded we needed a new main striker, the trouble was he wasted the funds on the willing but basically talentless Gallagher.

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Fair play to TM who picked a side to do a job on Brentford and did it well, as they are the form side in this division. Thought all the players were really up for it with determination, tackling and pressing, with some excellent moves on and off the ball.

Hopefully we can play the same side on Saturday and just do the same, and get a result against Stoke.

Brave of the manager to select Evans who had a decent game, don’t think many fans would have played him, but apart from a couple of slips in the second half he did a good job.

Rothwell seems to be getting the message, more direct with an end product of decent passing  in the danger area, but should have scored with the one on one with Raya, but deserved MOM.

Looks like Nyambe has got his R/b spot back, looked very assured, hope he’s fit for Sat.

Even though Brentford had more possession, thought we played some really good football and deserved the win, hopefully found a blend and sticks to it, but you can never second guess TM, hopefully plays same again and see where it takes us.

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Good win and welcome too but Mowbray has sprung these surprise wins and even had good runs many times before and it is more than likely on past performances that tonight will be followed by several drab defeats. . Sorry to be a party pooper and all that but the optimism from tonight won't last. We're a mid table team with a middling manager going neither up nor down 

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