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Just now, OnePhilT said:

😄 Maybe, but the impression that I got is that Evans allowed Travis to act more freely around midfield, which is what I think Travis is best at. Whenever Travis has been playing in a deeper role, I'm not convinced that limiting him there is his strength. Evans plays that roll much better, and I think last night demonstrated that. 

Good point. Probably why the partnership with Holtby hasn't panned out.

Just now, OnePhilT said:
I don't want to wind up supporters any more than they already probably are, but to me, the above reads as though Bennett will be back in the starting XI on Saturday. The above says to me that Nyambe is the better right-back, but Bennett has to go into the starting XI somewhere - something that many have suspected on here for some time, but the above quote is directly from the horses mouth.

I actually think he'll keep the same back-line (injuries permitting) but it won't be long before Bennett's back in the fold.

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Just now, OnePhilT said:

Mogga is really confusing. Bennett is his preferred right-back, as evidenced by him being a regular in the starting XI. So, when we come up against one of the best wingers (or wide-forwards) in the division, we should... stick a better right-back on the pitch? How does that work out?

I don't want to wind up supporters any more than they already probably are, but to me, the above reads as though Bennett will be back in the starting XI on Saturday. The above says to me that Nyambe is the better right-back, but Bennett has to go into the starting XI somewhere - something that many have suspected on here for some time, but the above quote is directly from the horses mouth.

Without wanting to bash him after he got it right last night this is what we are up against with TM and it's terminal. He will forever try and justify his rotation policy with some kind of fear factor of the opposition.

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Just now, Amo said:

I actually think he'll keep the same back-line (injuries permitting) but it won't be long before Bennett's back in the fold.

I would give anything for us to go with the same starting XI on Saturday, because it just seemed to work for us - something that hasn't seemed to happen for quite a while. A slender victory and a clean sheet against a promotion-chasing side (which I know we should also be trying for) is a damn-sight better than anything else I've witnessed so far this season.

I'm not confident of us going to Stoke with the same starting XI. Maybe Graham will have to be benched due to lack of game time (two games in the space of three days might be a big ask), but that's Mowbray's responsibility for not playing him more often. If we have to use Gallagher or Brereton as the main striker (or even Arma), then I think the whole team structure collapses. I would wager that Nyambe's cramp (also related to lack of game time given to him by Mowbray?) will also see Bennett back at right-back.

See... Mowbray doesn't even need to put these changes down to tactics. He will simply say that it's down to the two of them not being completely match-fit. Even if they were match-fit, Mowbray would over-think how Stoke play in order to try to foil them, forgetting completely that we DO have the ability to beat teams like that if we simply focus on what our own strengths are, rather than the opposition's.

I don't want to feel hopeless, but it will be all-change on Saturday, and we'll probably see us reverting to type. No cohesion, lack of fluency, square pegs in round holes, etc. It's the story of Tony's time, here. It's so frustrating.

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Just now, Bigdoggsteel said:

I would be happy if Armstrong is upfront for Graham and then Holtby fills in for Armstrong. 

That's one of the last things I'd want! Arma simply can't play up front on his own, in my opinion. He's had a several opportunities there, and I've seen it work just twice: one time away at Carlisle in a League Cup match; one time away at a VERY lowly and out-of-confidence Hull in the league last season. Stoke aren't exactly firing on all cylinders, but I think the Arma lone-striker project surely has to be dead in the water. I don't know on what planet he could ever be seen as suitable for that role.

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Just now, Bigdoggsteel said:

There will surely be changes alright. Hopefully not too off the wall, but I wouldn't bet on it! 

I would be happy if Armstrong is upfront for Graham and then Holtby fills in for Armstrong. 

One personnel change there has caused two problems. Graham is critical like last night because hes the only player we can have who can hold it up. Armstrong was far better wide right after a shocking display on Saturday where he was repeatedly offside. He is a poor striker.

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Just now, Bigdoggsteel said:

There will surely be changes alright. Hopefully not too off the wall, but I wouldn't bet on it! 

I would be happy if Armstrong is upfront for Graham and then Holtby fills in for Armstrong. 

I don't think AA has the physiche to be the lone front man.. far better as a wide supporting forward.

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It's all a bit too 'hit and hope' for me. 

Why can't TM accept the notion that appears to work very well in other clubs, that a consistent and stable line up breeds success. The constant tinkering on the basis of trying to out-think the opposition has only demonstrated one thing, and that is that TM isn't very good at it. If it ain't broke, Tony, don't FFS try to fix it!

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Just now, WIR Second Coming said:

It's all a bit too 'hit and hope' for me. 

Why can't TM accept the notion that appears to work very well in other clubs, that a consistent and stable line up breeds success. The constant tinkering on the basis of trying to out-think the opposition has only demonstrated one thing, and that is that TM isn't very good at it. If it ain't broke, Tony, don't FFS try to fix it!

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I'm pretty certain he won't play that line up away to Stoke.. I can't understand it, but I'm not a football manager.

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Just now, OnePhilT said:

That's one of the last things I'd want! Arma simply can't play up front on his own, in my opinion. He's had a several opportunities there, and I've seen it work just twice: one time away at Carlisle in a League Cup match; one time away at a VERY lowly and out-of-confidence Hull in the league last season. Stoke aren't exactly firing on all cylinders, but I think the Arma lone-striker project surely has to be dead in the water. I don't know on what planet he could ever be seen as suitable for that role.

 

Just now, roversfan99 said:

One personnel change there has caused two problems. Graham is critical like last night because hes the only player we can have who can hold it up. Armstrong was far better wide right after a shocking display on Saturday where he was repeatedly offside. He is a poor striker.

 

Just now, Nelsonthedog said:

I don't think AA has the physiche to be the lone front man.. far better as a wide supporting forward.

I don't want Graham dropped, but if he is I would prefer a minor tweak to last night as opposed to something wholesale. I agree about Armstrong, I have huge reservations too, but at least he has a bit of pace. I just hope it's not Gallagher on the wing....

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Just now, Bigdoggsteel said:

 

 

I don't want Graham dropped, but if he is I would prefer a minor tweak to last night as opposed to something wholesale. I agree about Armstrong, I have huge reservations too, but at least he has a bit of pace. I just hope it's not Gallagher on the wing....

SG is a big physical unit.. Stoke are a big physical team.. hmm, you could be upset..!

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Just now, Nelsonthedog said:

SG is a big physical unit.. Stoke are a big physical team.. hmm, you could be upset..!

Upset, why? 

Gallagher is big, but i wouldn't say he uses his size very well. Yet anyway 

Edited by Bigdoggsteel

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5 hours ago, Paul said:

Which only proves what nonsense stats are. Having been at Ewood last night I'd have put poessesion at 50/50 or perhaps 45/55. Brentford as far as I can recall had four shots on target - one hit crossbar, one very close to the top corner with Walton beaten, one saved by Walton, one kicked off the line. Equally Rovers had four chances and scored with the best move of the game - our best goal in a very long time.

An excellent and absorbing game in which both sides played very well. In truth I didn't want to go but last night proved, again, a simple truth I've always known - as a fan you just have to keep turning up. It's impossible to predict when your team will be awful and when they will be very good.

We were deservedly the better side last night against a very good Brentford side.

I think it’s more that ‘possession’ as a stat is nonsense. Teams have been more than happy to let us play keepball for weeks as long as we do nothing useful with it.

Let’s hope Mowbray has turned a corner.

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I realy enjoyed last nights game ,we looked balanced and organised..Football can be a simple game with good results when players are in their natural positions ..

Great reception for Raya and it did look like it meant a lot to him..

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5 hours ago, Stuart said:

You really are so far removed from the reality of Rovers, it’s unreal. No way can you be a regular attendee - if you go at all.

Your “extremely condescending comments” that “he and his staff plan each game using strengths and weakness of the opposition” is a very poor defence and a damning with feint praise. The worst part is you are probably right. Such a shame that he doesn’t plan using the strengths and weaknesses of Rovers or we might be where we need to be in the table instead of inconsistently bouncing around the bottom half.

Having been largely united around Mowbray taken us as far as we can, a couple of wins and once again all is forgiven for some.

Funny though, isn’t it. We play with the right personnel, the way “I want” as you so cleverly put it, and we win. But of course that’s a bad thing! WTAF? Sounds like you would rather we lost by picking the wrong players each week just so that you can live in a world where I’m never right? What a stupid opinion to take where your distain for me is more important than wanting Rovers to win football matches.

Blimey such venom and vitriol in your post and at 640 in the morning!

You managed to insult me 3 times! I am out of touch with reality, my opinion is stupid even though I thought the mantra on here is to respect differences and bizarrely that I am disdainful of you. I have never met you Stuart so how can you say that? Not to mention the criticism from the other day that I pontificated to a fellow poster!

 

A lifetime of teaching history has made me immune to insults and indifference!

I am aware of your opinions about Tony Mowbray. My opinion is a slightly different one.

But we can both agree that we want Rovers to be a successful football club once again.

I will not comment again on your posts, Stuart, as I clearly seem to wind you up.

 

 

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Just now, Bigdoggsteel said:

I don't want Graham dropped, but if he is I would prefer a minor tweak to last night as opposed to something wholesale. I agree about Armstrong, I have huge reservations too, but at least he has a bit of pace. I just hope it's not Gallagher on the wing....

If Arma does get put up front on his own, then it almost certainly would be Gallagher on the wing. What would happen is that it wouldn't work for the first half and hour or 45 minutes and, that being the case, the two would just swap around without a substitute being needed. And if that's the primary reason for putting Gallagher out on the wing, then it doesn't really instil any confidence on how we're set up. Again, it's the story of Tony's tenure at the club.

Arma up front on his own also completely turns how we play on its head; we can no longer hit it directly to the main man and have him hold up the ball. It will be similar to the Barnsley match, whereby we try to play it beyond the defence. It has rarely worked, and I can't see that changing.

I would much rather see Gally or even Brereton replace Graham (if that has to happen, that is!), and keep to a similar style that worked last night. If we keep changing the style of play from week to week, I don't see how that can garner any consistency.

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Just now, OnePhilT said:

If Arma does get put up front on his own, then it almost certainly would be Gallagher on the wing. 

Once again, it's not 'the wing', as we don't play with wingers. If SG plays there, it's as a supporting forward from wide.

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Just now, Nelsonthedog said:

Once again, it's not 'the wing', as we don't play with wingers. If SG plays there, it's as a supporting forward from wide.

Yes - sorry, just meant out wide. I know we never player with wingers, but wide-forward is a clumsy phrase that I occasionally forget to say! 🧐

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If Graham's not up to it, then it has to be Gallagher up top. What's the sense playing him and Arma in the wrong positions?

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Just now, Amo said:

If Graham's not up to it, then it has to be Gallagher up top. What's the sense playing him and Arma in the wrong positions?

SG is never gonna be Graham's replacement without getting the chance. We have to keep putting him in there.

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I'd honestly stick Samuel up top on his own before Armstrong that's another thing that rarely works in our setup he looks like a lost child.

Logical choice is keep playing Graham until he can't run no more but if not it has to be Gallagher and try and whip some crosses in front of him from wide positions. He'll at least graft and try and make his presence felt unlike Armstrong, being dropped for a game won't do him any harm either.

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