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Can't argue with any of that Den. He can do a lot of damage in 5 years and, with the mass media on side and the BBC neutered, people won't necessarily see it.

When he refused to go on Andrew Neil show after the other leaders had, the response from one poster on here was "smart politics."

We thought Trump would be found out before  his 4 years were up but he's more popular now than when he won! Has 49% of the vote according to latest poll and he "won" with less than that.

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Populism 47er.
It’s not good, but it’s hard to combat. Rousing people’s hatreds is easy to do and for a country and it’s politicians to go down that route is frightening to some of us.

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54 minutes ago, den said:

 

As Jim says - baby trump. That’s exactly what he is and the ways of American politics are being groomed here. It’s dangerous.
 

 

Gove is a big watcher and admirer of US politics - alot of what's going on here now is coming from him. 

Equally sinister is the influence of this bloke - the "brains" behind Brexit and now virtually running govt policy from No 10. Johnson is said to be in "awe" of him. Cameron called him a "career psychopath"

https://www.ft.com/content/02179112-2311-11ea-92da-f0c92e957a96

What I didn't realise was Cummings - who comes from a well-off family in the North East who live in castle (!!)  - was also the leader of the campaign to defeat the North East devolution referendum in the early 2000s.

Labour once again were well ahead of the game on devolution and the so-called "levelling up" but lost the 2004 poll 80-20 after Cummings came up with another soundbite similar to his "Taking back control" and "Get Brexit done". Something  along the lines of "More government, you pay"

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/dominic-cummings-vote-leave-boris-16636327

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/10/dominic-cummings-owns-farm-got-eu-subsidy

These are the people running the country.

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wasn't all media allowed into his speech on Monday and ask questions. No one was banned from the speech on Monday. Certain media was going to be given a private press meeting by PM Johnson staff. This has been going on for years after years. Whichever party was in number 10. Certain media outlets get the leaks and other dont's. 

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14 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

wasn't all media allowed into his speech on Monday and ask questions. No one was banned from the speech on Monday. Certain media was going to be given a private press meeting by PM Johnson staff. This has been going on for years after years. Whichever party was in number 10. Certain media outlets get the leaks and other dont's. 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/03/political-journalists-boycott-no-10-briefing-after-reporter-ban

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Just shows when you read outside the Sun, Mail and Express you learn something

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2 hours ago, jim mk2 said:

Just shows when you read outside the Sun, Mail and Express you learn something

Yet again Jim, you are wrong. It's very rare currently I read any newspaper apart from football and cricket sections. Not interested currently as I have other more important things to focus on. 

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Egged on by their media masters, the Murdochs, the Brexit Tories are making the most of their majority with the chance finally to nail one of their pet hates.......the BBC.

Old Rupert has been salivating at the prospect for decades.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-51373372

Public service broadcasting is under threat. The country is heading down a dangerous road under this government. 

 

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6 hours ago, jim mk2 said:

Daddy gives his erring son a severe ticking off.

https://www.ft.com/content/a70f9506-48f1-11ea-aee2-9ddbdc86190d

I'm sure the trade deal will be terrific. Chlorinated chicken here we come...

You would have twisted it the other way if the PM had decided against Huawei.....

You say chaddy shouldn't read newspaper headlines, yet you quote them on the chicken...

 

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12 hours ago, gumboots said:

I cant read the FT articles.

Donald Trump ‘apoplectic’ in call with Boris Johnson over Huawei

Exclusive — livid president lambasted PM for allowing China group a role in UK 5G

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1 hour ago, philipl said:

Donald Trump ‘apoplectic’ in call with Boris Johnson over Huawei

Exclusive — livid president lambasted PM for allowing China group a role in UK 5G

"apoplectic" ie bonkers! Lucky someone hid the red button!

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Ten years of Tory austerity and this is the disgrace of our country.

https://news.sky.com/story/four-million-children-living-in-poverty-as-numbers-rise-says-report-11928032

Foods banks, rising poverty and inequality. The brilliance of the Tory party and its media supporters is that it gets people to go against their own interests and vote for more of the same. 

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1 hour ago, jim mk2 said:

Ten years of Tory austerity and this is the disgrace of our country.

https://news.sky.com/story/four-million-children-living-in-poverty-as-numbers-rise-says-report-11928032

Foods banks, rising poverty and inequality. The brilliance of the Tory party and its media supporters is that it gets people to go against their own interests and vote for more of the same. 

......and yet the Tories have just won a landslide victory, annihilated the other parties, voters simply don't care enough to push these kind of things up the agenda.

If a party said they'd get rid of rough sleeping, eliminate child poverty and stop austerity in the next parliament that would be a vote winner for me, but not for many others.

Its sad to say but his country is on its arse, mainly due to its inhabitants sadly.

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My parents have joined/rejoined the Labour party to vote on the next leader and went to a meeting to discuss the leadership contest a few weeks ago. They walked out after it became clear it was filled with Momentum types who hijacked the event and turned what was supposed to be a discussion of the merits of each candidate into a 'march for Rebecca Long Bailey'. For example, each candidate was supposed to have a person to speak up for them for two minutes and were not allowed to slag off the other candidates. The RLB advocate waffled on for far longer, and did slag off the other candidates much to the approval of his or her comrades (a term a couple of people actually used). There was some guy with the Socialist Worker's Party newspapers draped over his arm like some sort of waiter and it was noticeable that there were quite a few old timers who were probably part of the lunatic fringe in the early 80's along with the more stereotypical young members of Momentum. 

Anyone who said that the leader should be a more moderate person than Corbyn and RLB to try and win back voters and be more flexible was tutted at, jeered or whatever. After my parents walked out in disgust, the MP actually stopped to talk with them to ask why. She is not in with the far left crowd and said she has had problems with them trying to run the show. Apparently a lot of the far left speakers and rabble rousers at that meeting come from other parts of Coventry, with the support of another Coventry MP who is really close to the far left groups to try and brow beat everyone into voting for RLB. 

It is clear that Momentum and such groups are more interested in ideological purity and ruling the Labour Party than bothering to win elections.

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1 hour ago, Norbert Rassragr said:

My parents have joined/rejoined the Labour party to vote on the next leader and went to a meeting to discuss the leadership contest a few weeks ago. They walked out after it became clear it was filled with Momentum types who hijacked the event and turned what was supposed to be a discussion of the merits of each candidate into a 'march for Rebecca Long Bailey'. For example, each candidate was supposed to have a person to speak up for them for two minutes and were not allowed to slag off the other candidates. The RLB advocate waffled on for far longer, and did slag off the other candidates much to the approval of his or her comrades (a term a couple of people actually used). There was some guy with the Socialist Worker's Party newspapers draped over his arm like some sort of waiter and it was noticeable that there were quite a few old timers who were probably part of the lunatic fringe in the early 80's along with the more stereotypical young members of Momentum. 

Anyone who said that the leader should be a more moderate person than Corbyn and RLB to try and win back voters and be more flexible was tutted at, jeered or whatever. After my parents walked out in disgust, the MP actually stopped to talk with them to ask why. She is not in with the far left crowd and said she has had problems with them trying to run the show. Apparently a lot of the far left speakers and rabble rousers at that meeting come from other parts of Coventry, with the support of another Coventry MP who is really close to the far left groups to try and brow beat everyone into voting for RLB. 

It is clear that Momentum and such groups are more interested in ideological purity and ruling the Labour Party than bothering to win elections.

I sat next to a Coventry MP at an awards ceremony a few years back and you couldn't wish to meet a nicer person, she wasn't a fan of Corbyn but agreed with his principles.

The sad fact is Corbyn and his team are a bunch of amateurs, not used to power and have been completely over run by people and groups with agendas that simply won't wash with the public in this day and age. I fear RLB will be much of the same, but if Labour wants to change and stand a chance at the next election a vote for Lisa Nandy would achieve that in my opinion.

 

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1 hour ago, Norbert Rassragr said:

My parents have joined/rejoined the Labour party to vote on the next leader and went to a meeting to discuss the leadership contest a few weeks ago. They walked out after it became clear it was filled with Momentum types who hijacked the event and turned what was supposed to be a discussion of the merits of each candidate into a 'march for Rebecca Long Bailey'. For example, each candidate was supposed to have a person to speak up for them for two minutes and were not allowed to slag off the other candidates. The RLB advocate waffled on for far longer, and did slag off the other candidates much to the approval of his or her comrades (a term a couple of people actually used). There was some guy with the Socialist Worker's Party newspapers draped over his arm like some sort of waiter and it was noticeable that there were quite a few old timers who were probably part of the lunatic fringe in the early 80's along with the more stereotypical young members of Momentum. 

Anyone who said that the leader should be a more moderate person than Corbyn and RLB to try and win back voters and be more flexible was tutted at, jeered or whatever. After my parents walked out in disgust, the MP actually stopped to talk with them to ask why. She is not in with the far left crowd and said she has had problems with them trying to run the show. Apparently a lot of the far left speakers and rabble rousers at that meeting come from other parts of Coventry, with the support of another Coventry MP who is really close to the far left groups to try and brow beat everyone into voting for RLB. 

It is clear that Momentum and such groups are more interested in ideological purity and ruling the Labour Party than bothering to win elections.

I'm not a Labour supporter - as you might have guessed - but if it's any consolation it already seems clear that RLB is heading for defeat. The principal issue will be if Starmer has the guts to keep her and her kind away from economic portfolios.

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For Labour to regain any credibility in the eyes of the electorate, it must be led by Nandy or Starmer of the current crop imo.

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3 hours ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

I'm not a Labour supporter - as you might have guessed - but if it's any consolation it already seems clear that RLB is heading for defeat. The principal issue will be if Starmer has the guts to keep her and her kind away from economic portfolios.

I still think she has a chance. She is the preferred candidate of the Unite union, and has a lot of support among party members. The ones who think Corbyn and co. did nothing wrong in the last election and blame voters for being 'stupid' and electing Boris are more likely to want Corbyn mk II in the belief that everyone will suddenly decide to be very left wing all of a sudden.Of course, if she does get in and becomes the next Corbyn Labour will be even further behind. Lower living standards, homelessness, food banks and so on is the new normal, people have accepted it until it happens to them.

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20 hours ago, Norbert Rassragr said:

My parents have joined/rejoined the Labour party to vote on the next leader and went to a meeting to discuss the leadership contest a few weeks ago. They walked out after it became clear it was filled with Momentum types who hijacked the event and turned what was supposed to be a discussion of the merits of each candidate into a 'march for Rebecca Long Bailey'. For example, each candidate was supposed to have a person to speak up for them for two minutes and were not allowed to slag off the other candidates. The RLB advocate waffled on for far longer, and did slag off the other candidates much to the approval of his or her comrades (a term a couple of people actually used). There was some guy with the Socialist Worker's Party newspapers draped over his arm like some sort of waiter and it was noticeable that there were quite a few old timers who were probably part of the lunatic fringe in the early 80's along with the more stereotypical young members of Momentum. 

Anyone who said that the leader should be a more moderate person than Corbyn and RLB to try and win back voters and be more flexible was tutted at, jeered or whatever. After my parents walked out in disgust, the MP actually stopped to talk with them to ask why. She is not in with the far left crowd and said she has had problems with them trying to run the show. Apparently a lot of the far left speakers and rabble rousers at that meeting come from other parts of Coventry, with the support of another Coventry MP who is really close to the far left groups to try and brow beat everyone into voting for RLB. 

It is clear that Momentum and such groups are more interested in ideological purity and ruling the Labour Party than bothering to win elections.

Mrs Shoelaces is a Labour Party member. She went to her consistency meeting last night. The same rules, short amount of time to speak and no slagging off opponents. It all went off pleasantly and Starmer was the chosen one, Long-Bailey had some support but not enough, Lisa Nandy wasn't in the running, 

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I see Johnson has his own official photographer now ! So the Fleet Street political photographers can all take a running jump from now on. Cummings strikes again I suspect. The bloke is a sandwich short of a picnic and he's actually running the show now.

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