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I think that's more worrying than almost anything in our politics nowadays. An unelected puppet master blatantly pulling the strings, accountable to nobody unless he actually commits a crime . 

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1 hour ago, gumboots said:

I think that's more worrying than almost anything in our politics nowadays. An unelected puppet master blatantly pulling the strings, accountable to nobody unless he actually commits a crime . 

It amuses me that the people who constantly complained about being run by " Un elected European Politicians " are quite happy to hitch their wagon to a Party being run by a single un-elected British politician.

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On 08/02/2020 at 14:30, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

It amuses me that the people who constantly complained about being run by " Un elected European Politicians " are quite happy to hitch their wagon to a Party being run by a single un-elected British politician.

But you didn't mind in the nineties when it was run by an alcoholic, depressive Bumley fan.....who took us to war on bullshit claims where life has never been the same and thousands of british soldiers lost their lives....?😂😂

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1 hour ago, Sparks Rover said:

But you didn't mind in the nineties when it was run by an alcoholic, depressive Bumley fan.....who took us to war on bullshit claims where life has never been the same and thousands of british soldiers lost their lives....?😂😂

I don't think that comparison is valid. Nobody in that Labour Government had the power and influence that this headcase has.

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1 hour ago, Sparks Rover said:

Yes it is.  Just shoots your argument down....

No it isn't.

Cummings wants to dismantle Britain's core institutions : the CBI, Whitehall, the BBC, the judiciary, the military top brass, and even the Westminster lobby, the world’s oldest political journalism club.

Cummings and Johnson closed down parliament. They are refusing to talk to journalists they don’t like. They are the authors of the two most grotesque populist lies of our age - ‘Take Back Control’ and ‘Get Brexit Done’. They have no relation to or respect for the truth and willingly lie to further their political interests. They are brilliant users of deceptive social media, and known racist dog whistlers. 

These are extremist, anti liberal and anti democratic authoritarians. If you support this creed fair enough I suppose. But to compare them to Alastair Campbell is silly. 

 

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2 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

No it isn't.

Cummings wants to dismantle Britain's core institutions : the CBI, Whitehall, the BBC, the judiciary, the military top brass, and even the Westminster lobby, the world’s oldest political journalism club.

Cummings and Johnson closed down parliament. They are refusing to talk to journalists they don’t like. They are the authors of the two most grotesque populist lies of our age - ‘Take Back Control’ and ‘Get Brexit Done’. They have no relation to or respect for the truth and willingly lie to further their political interests. They are brilliant users of deceptive social media, and known racist dog whistlers. 

These are extremist, anti liberal and anti democratic authoritarians. If you support this creed fair enough I suppose. But to compare them to Alastair Campbell is silly. 

 

I'm not comparing policy persay,  more the fact that a million people marched to stop the war in Iraq but an unelected Alcoholic, Depressed Bumley fan(unelected same as DC) was knee deep in that decision. And you berate Boris for sucking up to the Yanks....

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Just now, Sparks Rover said:

I'm not comparing policy persay,  more the fact that a million people marched to stop the war in Iraq but an unelected Alcoholic, Depressed Bumley fan(unelected same as DC) was knee deep in that decision. And you berate Boris for sucking up to the Yanks....

The decision to go to war was taken by parliament.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2003/mar/18/iraq.iraq6

Campbell cleared by Chilcot inquiry.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/chilcot-report-iraq-war-alastair-campbell-cleared-sexed-up-dossier-tony-blair-spin-doctor-a7122571.html

As it happens, Johnson has infuriated the US with its Huawei decision but their technology is so deeply embedded in our telecoms system he had no choice. 

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The decision to go to war was backed by the Tories. Two years after the start of the war Blair won a majority of 66 seats.

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In spite of the millions marching against the Iraq war there was plenty of support for it from the " man in the street ". There was also plenty of jingoist tub thumping from the gutter press. I find it funny that you never speak to anyone now that admits to backing the war and the gutter press glosses over their support.

Brexit in 20 years from now.

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The main support for the Iraq war came from the Tories with 140 Labour MPs voting against the Government of the day in the Anti-war vote. Blair could never have got this through without the support of the Tories of whom only 15 voted against it. All the Lib MPs voted against it

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13 hours ago, den said:

The decision to go to war was backed by the Tories. Two years after the start of the war Blair won a majority of 66 seats.

I know Labour Party members who left the party at that time who've never re-joined subsequently.

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13 hours ago, jim mk2 said:

Cummings wants to dismantle Britain's core institutions : the CBI, Whitehall, the BBC, the judiciary, the military top brass, and even the Westminster lobby, the world’s oldest political journalism club.

"Dominic Cummings has played a blinder - again.  I wish the Labour party has someone like him."

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59 minutes ago, OnePhilT said:

"Dominic Cummings has played a blinder - again.  I wish the Labour party has someone like him."

 Yes, someone as astute as him in winning over the public, the clarity of thought in the message. It's the way he says it - not what he is saying 

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13 hours ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

 

Brexit in 20 years from now.

I wonder which will come first. Brexit, HS2 or the Sun exploding. #AskBoris

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Javid gone - he was told to sack his advisers, he refused and Cummings, sorry Johnson, sacked him.

Boris Johnson told the Confederation of British Industry conference in November: 'I'm going to give you an absolutely categorical assurance that I will keep Sajid Javid as my chancellor. How about that?

 

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The hand of Dominic Cummings in the background - looks like we've swapped being ruled by "unelected bureaucrats" In Brussels by unelected bureaucrats in Westminster.

Cummings wanted power over the Treasury - and now he's got his man, a wet behind the ears 39-year-old who will do what he's told, in No 11.

At least we can be reassured that Cummings (sorry, Johnson) has hung on to real talent like Priti Patel.  Her skills would be sorely missed.

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Well that's what happens " When Thieves Fall Out ". It looks like Cummings put a horses head in his bed and made him an offer he had to refuse. They'll need to get a bigger rubbish bin of history for all this lot. Only the terminally stupid could follow the Venkies plan for success. Start out with Premier League level of Chancellor ( Hammond ) replace him with a Championship level player ( Javid ) and then replace him with a Div 2 player ( Sunak ? ) .One thing about Johnson, he's up there with Trump in the " How to make enemies without really trying " stakes.

It's either " Heil Boris "  or there's the door. This won't end well.

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22 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Well that's what happens " When Thieves Fall Out ". It looks like Cummings put a horses head in his bed and made him an offer he had to refuse. They'll need to get a bigger rubbish bin of history for all this lot. Only the terminally stupid could follow the Venkies plan for success. Start out with Premier League level of Chancellor ( Hammond ) replace him with a Championship level player ( Javid ) and then replace him with a Div 2 player ( Sunak ? ) .One thing about Johnson, he's up there with Trump in the " How to make enemies without really trying " stakes.

It's either " Heil Boris "  or there's the door. This won't end well.

And yet sterling has risen strongly since the sacking.

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5 hours ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

And yet sterling has risen strongly since the sacking.

It's just a casino. Today red came up, tomorrow it could just as easily be black.

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2 hours ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

And yet sterling has risen strongly since the sacking.

But enough about Raheem's bedroom habits...

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According to Dominic Cummings, Johnson will remain as prime minister (for now)

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