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1 hour ago, RoverDom said:

Cant say I'm sad to see him go. He made labour unelectable and whilst i have no great attachment to labour, that gives the tories a free pass to bend the country over. 

It was heartbreaking to see the damage that he has done to Labour.  He never grasped that to change society for the better you need to be in power and that means appealing to a broad spectrum of people.  Personally, glad to see the back of him and pleased Starmer has taken the action he has.

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59 minutes ago, Ewood Ace said:

No you were just duped by the Fake News MSM smear campaign against him. 

With respect Ewood Ace you do seem to end up on the wrong side of every argument.

With your continued support of Trump, Putin and XI from China, I'll take no lessons from you on Corbyn, he's a nasty piece who needs to take Richard Burgon with him.

Good riddance

 

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30 minutes ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

Quite honestly Ewood I think you massively over estimate how many people lean towards the kind of left-wing nonsense Corbyn's team wanted.

 

I wouldn't even say that Corbyn was that left wing. I personally would say that he is a social democrat. 

30 minutes ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

Labour will come up with similar policies and Corbyn will be forgotten about bar a few pretty pissed off Putney rebels. They'll make a few stickers, put out some Momentum pamphlets and moan a bit in their Twitter-bubble but it won't make much difference. The traditional Labour voter in the North West won't give two hoots. They didn't like Corbyn anyway. 

One thing that traditional Labour voters in the north of England won't like is the metropolitan Liberal politics of Starmer. He is not going to win the back those sort of people and you only have to see the growth in Labour membership to see that within the Labour party movement Corbyn was very popular if Starmer loses a percentage of that core base of supporters who support vote and campaign for the party then it is hard to see how he can win. It's funny you should mention Putney as that is a seat that Labour won at the last election for the first time in 5 with a majority of under 5000. Which just shows that it doesn't take a lot of people to move away from the party to lose that seat and then they are even further away from winning an election.

 
25 minutes ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

Since Corbyn has left the Labour party has done nothing but grow in popularity according to polls.

It's still trailing the government in the polls despite the shambolic handling of Covid and the fact that they have plunged the country into a recession. I remember when Corbyn was leader the anti-Corbyn people in the Labour party were constantly in the media saying that with a different leader they would have a double digit lead in the polls. Yet despite a new leader, the government handling of Covid and a recession, Labour are still behind in the polls.

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Just now, Gav said:

With respect Ewood Ace you do seem to end up on the wrong side of every argument.

With your continued support of Trump, Putin and XI from China, I'll take no lessons from you on Corbyn, he's a nasty piece who needs to take Richard Burgon with him.

Good riddance.

I'm not a supporter of Trump but I'm used to you getting facts wrong by now, so no worries about that. Do you not see the irony of calling me a supporter of Trump and China in the same sentence?

As for being on the wrong side of the argument I am looking at the continued growth and continuing success story that is China and I think that I am very much on the right side. And then I look at the UK in recession under the chaotic 'leadership' of your mate Johnson and I am totally convinced that I am on the right side.

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I get confused watching you two bicker cos you both call each other tories. 

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17 minutes ago, Ewood Ace said:

 

I wouldn't even say that Corbyn was that left wing. I personally would say that he is a social democrat. 

One thing that traditional Labour voters in the north of England won't like is the metropolitan Liberal politics of Starmer.

Agree on that. He was a social democrat, not the "Marxist" right wing demon the press painted him to be.

Don't agree on the second. People are fed up with aggressive, divisive, corrosive, politics. They want a calm, competent, steady presence at the helm who could unify the country. Starmer could provide that.  

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10 minutes ago, RoverDom said:

I get confused watching you two bicker cos you both call each other tories. 

:D

 

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15 minutes ago, RoverDom said:

I get confused watching you two bicker cos you both call each other tories. 

He seems to get a bit confused about politics as according to him I'm a Corbyn supporting Tory and a Trump supporter who also supports China. I don't really think he's thought it through bless him.

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2 minutes ago, Ewood Ace said:

He seems to get a bit confused about politics as according to him I'm a Corbyn supporting Tory and a Trump supporter who also supports China. I don't really think he's thought it through bless him.

It was actually another poster that labelled you a Tory EA, but enough of this bickering :D

Corbyn suspended, some would say around 40yrs to late, but late than never.

Red Len put out to pasture next, fingers crossed.

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2 hours ago, Parsonblue said:

It was heartbreaking to see the damage that he has done to Labour.  He never grasped that to change society for the better you need to be in power and that means appealing to a broad spectrum of people.  Personally, glad to see the back of him and pleased Starmer has taken the action he has.

He's only been suspended - they have not seen the back of him. My hunch is he will be restored to the party.

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2 hours ago, jim mk2 said:

Agree on that. He was a social democrat, not the "Marxist" right wing demon the press painted him to be.

Don't agree on the second. People are fed up with aggressive, divisive, corrosive, politics. They want a calm, competent, steady presence at the helm who could unify the country. Starmer could provide that.  

Starmer will split the Parliamentary party right down the middle with this action. If anybody can be accused of letting the Tories back in it'll be Starmer. The people that will be leaving will be the activists like my wife, the people who leaflet, canvas and give voters lifts to the poling station etc. The people who get the vote out. Of course the Parliamentary party will be slapping each other on the back, they never accepted the will of the Labour Party grass roots in the first place.

I'm within an ace of giving up on the Labour party after a lifetime of unswerving support. As the Tories have moved the pollical landscape to the right over the years and the Labour Party have followed them. Expel Corbyn and that'll be the final straw and me done with them. It's just a political lynching.

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3 hours ago, Ben Frost said:

Why does it matter what Hodge or Rayner think or say? 

The Equality and Human Rights Commission report couldn't be clearer, that's what really matters here. 

You've always tried to deny this issue and brush it under the carpet, but the EHRC have rolled the carpet back and exposed a deeply unpleasant and rotten underlay. 

I've not seen anything in writing  so far that justifies the furore that was kicked about this in the past. I await the actual evidence, not just the spin.

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7 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I've not seen anything in writing  so far that justifies the furore that was kicked about this in the past. I await the actual evidence, not just the spin.

Starrmer made it clear today that those in denial are the problem.

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Just now, Mashed Potatoes said:

Starrmer made it clear today that those in denial are the problem.

Have you got any evidence ? Let's see it. It's pretty obvious that the issue is being used as a stick to beat the left. It's like the old " When did you stop beating your wife ? " question. Whatever Corbyn said it was never going to be enough.

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They are making up the trumped up charges as we speak no doubt, just as they have done with many decent people before Corbyn.

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3 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Have you got any evidence ? Let's see it. It's pretty obvious that the issue is being used as a stick to beat the left. It's like the old " When did you stop beating your wife ? " question. Whatever Corbyn said it was never going to be enough.

I didn't write the report ! It came from the EHRC so I suggest you contact them, and Starmer whilst you're at it. At least Corbyn can be grateful Starmer didn't tell him to get on his bike.

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20 minutes ago, Ewood Ace said:

They are making up the trumped up charges as we speak no doubt, just as they have done with many decent people before Corbyn.

Jeremy literally disagreed with the findings of the report. It's in his statement.

You have to take such important reports as those and absolutely accept them and apologise.

Any amount of rejection is political idiocy.

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7 minutes ago, Mike E said:

Jeremy literally disagreed with the findings of the report. It's in his statement.

You have to take such important reports as those and absolutely accept them and apologise.

Any amount of rejection is political idiocy.

Why should he except the findings of the report if he doesn't agree with them? The only thing he's guilty of is being on the left of the Labour Party. The Labour party has never needed much of an excuse to kick people on the left of the party out.

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35 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Have you got any evidence ? Let's see it. It's pretty obvious that the issue is being used as a stick to beat the left. It's like the old " When did you stop beating your wife ? " question. Whatever Corbyn said it was never going to be enough.

Contact the EHRC if you want it that bad Tyrone. They’re independent and have found the party guilty of those accusations. 

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3 minutes ago, Ewood Ace said:

Why should he except the findings of the report if he doesn't agree with them? The only thing he's guilty of is being on the left of the Labour Party. The Labour party has never needed much of an excuse to kick people on the left of the party out.

You sound like Trump, oh wait a minute......

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Just now, Gav said:

You sound like Trump, oh wait a minute......

Really? I've never heard Donald Trump talk about the politics of the UK Labour Party before but there we go.

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8 minutes ago, Ewood Ace said:

Why should he except the findings of the report if he doesn't agree with them? The only thing he's guilty of is being on the left of the Labour Party. The Labour party has never needed much of an excuse to kick people on the left of the party out.

He doesn't have to privately, but it's political stupidity to publicly disagree when just minutes earlier Starmer had warned of consequences for any sort of rejection of the findings.

Part of his issue was always a failure to understand image playing it's part in winning elections.

All he had to do was leave out the bits of his statement about 'disagreeing' and he'd have looked golden, would've kept the whip, and would have strengthened the image of a united Labour.

You can't influence policy if you don't win. Starmer must have plenty of socialist belief (particularly compared to the Conservatives) or he'd not have been in Corbyn's cabinet.

His rejection of the findings IS 'denial of a problem of antisemitism in the Labour party' and just makes him look guilty.

It was so easily avoidable.

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Just now, Mike E said:

He doesn't have to, but it's political stupidity when just minutes earlier Starmer had warned of consequences for any sort of rejection of the findings.

Part of his issue was always a failure to understand image playing it's part in winning elections.

All he had to do was leave out the bits of his statement about 'disagreeing' and he'd have looked golden, would've kept the whip, and would have strengthened the image of a united Labour.

You can't influence policy if you don't win. Starmer must have plenty of socialist belief (particularly compared to the Conservatives) or he'd not have been in Corbyn's cabinet.

His rejection of the findings IS 'denial of a problem of antisemitism in the Labour party' and just makes him look guilty.

It was so easily avoidable.

I was reminded today of Lenin's quote about the Labour Party in 1920 when he said it was a 'thoroughly bourgeois party, because, although made up of workers, it is led by reactionaries, and the worst kind of reactionaries at that, who act quite in the spirit of the bourgeoisie. It is an organisation of the bourgeoisie, which exists to systematically dupe the workers'. A century on and nothing has changed, why people on the left of politics continue to put their faith in the Labour party baffles me. 

If you want to know what the Labour Party stands for just look at someone like Corbyn suspended and good people in recent years such as George Galloway, Chris Williamson, Ken Livingstone, Mark Wadsworth, Jackie Walker the list goes on all kicked out of the party and what do they all have in common? They are all on the left of the party. Yet a war criminal like Blair with the deaths of over 1 million people on his hands and a crook like Mandelson remain and always have been members. 

I don't know if you are a member of the Labour Party but if you are be careful because if you go against the party machine and they will come for you and then you will wish that you had spoken out before.

The report actually turned out to be a storm in a tea cup it didn't find the party 'guilty' of institutional racism which many thought it would and only found them 'guilty' of just 2 unlawful acts and also noted how things had improved under Jenny Formby. You can tell it hasn't been the story that the Fake News MSM wanted as it isn't even leading their bulletins if it was what they wanted there would have been wall to wall coverage of it.

As for Starmer being a Socialist he is nothing but an opportunist who stands for and believes in nothing. 

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From 'Tuckered'. A bit sweary, a bit crass, but I have to admit I agree with it's point, speaking as someone who voted for Corbyn last December:

'Stop crying over Jeremy Corbyn. I'm not even going to delve into the semantics or intricacies of his rise and fall, or whether or not allegations of antisemitism were artificially inflated or not, because it's moot. It's irrelevant. 

Whether you like it or not Corbyn was finished when he got obliterated at the last election.

I've got news for. You're 100% correct. The establishment are in charge. They always have been, and always will be. Tough shit. If you want things your way you'd better get in your Delorian and tell your great, great, great, great, great grandad to get an army together and seize some fucking land. 

Yes, we're in a two party state, and yes you'll never get your desired utopia with Starmer. You know what you might get with him though? Elected.

Open your eyes. You live in a right of centre country that repeatedly votes against its own interests. A country fed on a diet of bullshit from gilded troughs owned by super rich Bond villains that want you keep you docile and fatted for market, because you're the fucking product.

You can sit there crying about 'your once in a lifetime' chance (you never fucking had one). Or you can wipe away the tears, accept compromise instead of your concrete ideals, and understand that, in the grand scheme of things we could be a hell of a lot worse off.

"But why should I settle for tory-light?"

Because, if that's your defeatist, chuck your toys out of the pram attitude, you may as well vote Conservative, because you've just guaranteed them eternal rule.

Look. You've got two choices whether you believe it or not. You can have a set of wealth hoarding, landed-gentry bastards who only tolerate your miserable existence because you're a fucking revenue stream. 

Or, you can have the same, but in red. The difference being that the red option, at It's best, will contain far fewer landed-gentry, Etonian pricks, and more people like you. And at It's worse will give you at least the illusion of progress and fairness.

The point is, you can't affect change from the outside, and if you can't even get elected then the only voice you have is the one you use to bitch about just how shit things are. Sometimes I think the left prefer that over power.

I was only young when Tony Blair was Prime Minister, but, Iraq aside, I remember things being a damn sight better then they are now. Leave it at the door, breathe, and get on board. It's literally the only way.'

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5 hours ago, Riverside under the drip said:

Starmer: "Anyone who tries to deny we have a problem is part of that problem and needs potting."

Corbyn shortly after: "It's not really that much of a problem and my enemies' fault anyway."

What a wally.

He left Starmer no choice. 
The statement in light of the report was a disgrace tbh.

He let his supporters down today, unfortunately a lot of them won’t notice.

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